Isn't Nick Mangold

[tkiehl]

only 295lbs? why would we take a chance on that with a high pick when Al Johnson weighs more and has had a few years experience? Cleveland blew it with Faine and can not even trade him........

 

[MichaelWinicki]

only 295lbs? why would we take a chance on that with a high pick when Al Johnson weighs more and has had a few years experience? Cleveland blew it with Faine and can not even trade him........

We wouldn't.

We do not have an interest in drafting a center.

 

[Killersanta]

We wouldn't.

We do not have an interest in drafting a center.

What he said

 

[BigDFan5]

We wouldn't.

We do not have an interest in drafting a center.

 

[spindoc]

only 295lbs? why would we take a chance on that with a high pick when Al Johnson weighs more and has had a few years experience? Cleveland blew it with Faine and can not even trade him........

I have seen this misconception about centers and weight alot on this board. Just for the record, 295 lbs is not undersized for a college center or even an NFL center. Plus, most linemen drafted put on weight once they enter the NFL and are given the best strength/weight program money can buy.

Some center stats from NFL.com (pro bowl players included):
Jeff Hartings = Weight: 299
Jeff Saturday = Weight: 295
Olin Kreutz = Weight: 292
Ben Hamilton = Weight: 283
Robbie Tobeck = Weight: 297

 

[Concord]

As other people have said we won't draft a Center in the First...But if by some miracle he was there in the 2nd Round...Which he won't be...Then the Cowboys should consider themselves Lucky and pick him!

Of course...I'm a Buckeye!

 

[Woods]

Maybe one of the problems Al Johnson may have had is that due to his previous injury, he didn't have enough time to fully strengthen his legs?

Doesn't it take about 2 years to fully recover?

I would expect that with another year to improve his leg strength, putting on about 20 lbs or so (to around 317 lbs), and working on his technique, he should make solid progress.

That said, he won't have the natural "girth" of Gurode, but Johnson should hopefully suffice.

 

[SupermanXx]

does anyone want to see my man gold?

 

[Woods]

does anyone want to see my man gold?

Have you checked out the TO thread yet? :laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What he said

I've been saying it longer than anyone on here

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have seen this misconception about centers and weight alot on this board. Just for the record, 295 lbs is not undersized for a college center or even an NFL center. Plus, most linemen drafted put on weight once they enter the NFL and are given the best strength/weight program money can buy.

Some center stats from NFL.com (pro bowl players included):
Jeff Hartings = Weight: 299
Jeff Saturday = Weight: 295
Olin Kreutz = Weight: 292
Ben Hamilton = Weight: 283
Robbie Tobeck = Weight: 297

well the argument against Johnson has been that he's been too light, and gets pushed back because of it, and what works against Mangold being 295, is that he's undersized, but not only that, he still has to get used to playing against the strength of the NFL, which won't be till after his rookie year, and being 295 isn't going to help him in that regard

 

[Justis]

I have seen this misconception about centers and weight alot on this board. Just for the record, 295 lbs is not undersized for a college center or even an NFL center. Plus, most linemen drafted put on weight once they enter the NFL and are given the best strength/weight program money can buy.

Some center stats from NFL.com (pro bowl players included):
Jeff Hartings = Weight: 299
Jeff Saturday = Weight: 295
Olin Kreutz = Weight: 292
Ben Hamilton = Weight: 283
Robbie Tobeck = Weight: 297

while you make a valid point, I think that it's important to have a larger center due to our smaller athletic guards. That way our line both has mobility, and an aspect I call "push".

 

[AbeBeta]

if we take a center it will be on day 2 and he'll be abe to play guard as well.

 

[DLCassidy]

I can't see us going that way either.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

People talk about Johnson like he was pushed back into the back-field on every freaking snap! I don't know what games they were watching but I didn't think he was beaten all the time.

 

[burmafrd]

As more and more teams go to the 3-4, he will face more and more big NT's that will eat his lunch. Its only been since he was drafted that the 3-4 has regained popularity. OOOOPPPPPSSSS. Now rumor has it that he has decided to trade some of his quickness for added bulk and has gained about 15 lbs, trying to get up to 310 or so. He was rumored to be under 285 late in the season. He was in camp at 295. Now if he can keep the extra weight without losing too much quickness then he should be better.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

its like when i was a junior in hs, my line was

LT - 195 - so
LG - 220 - jr
C - 165 - jr
RG - 195 - jr
RT - 305 - fr

we went 0-10 our line gave up 5.5 sacks per game and we went through 3 qb's

i think center is all about knowing line assignments and having the right attitude (a bad one)
next year, all same players except new center

LT - 220 - jr
LG - 230 - sr
C - 205 - sr
RG - 220 - sr
RT - 325 - so (this kid is huge and is gonna be good)

record 6-4 started 5-1 but hit a ***** of a schedule