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this FO believes that he can get young talent that can slide in and contribute with a minimal salary cap impact and less wear and tear. I think this is the right approach. We haven’t even signed Martin and we need to work out Lawrence sooner or later plus Zek, Dak...

If we can get a solid guy for the right price then fine but overspending on name alone can sometimes be detrimental to your goals.
 
yentl911 said:
this FO believes that he can get young talent that can slide in and contribute with a minimal salary cap impact and less wear and tear. I think this is the right approach. We haven’t even signed Martin and we need to work out Lawrence sooner or later plus Zek, Dak...

If we can get a solid guy for the right price then fine but overspending on name alone can sometimes be detrimental to your goals.
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yentl911 said:
this FO believes that he can get young talent that can slide in and contribute with a minimal salary cap impact and less wear and tear. I think this is the right approach. We haven’t even signed Martin and we need to work out Lawrence sooner or later plus Zek, Dak...

If we can get a solid guy for the right price then fine but overspending on name alone can sometimes be detrimental to your goals.
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I understand this approach, and agree. Too many good young players that will need to be paid and kept. With Zeke they can pick up the 5th year option therefore extending that big contract another year. So they can get Dak settled first, if he shows he is that franchise QB. He needs to show it this year. Or else draft a QB next year just in case his 4th year is not so good either.

Anyway, yes, keep it to these mid-tier fill the holes type players. Get the starters in the draft. Which they have been doing for the most part.
 
yentl911 said:
As in McClay - they are going to pay money to our guys drafted in house and the FO is expecting McClay to deliver young talent that can play now with limited salary cap impact

Sorry for the confusion
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They have a lot of confidence in McClay, and so do many fans. And well deserved. But he does miss on a few here and there. Mayowa comes to mind, though they did get 2 years from him but not great years, mediocre at best. But he also came here when all else failed to get DE's in the way they wanted. But all teams have this as well.

All we can do is sit back and wait and see what happens. I will make a few comments here and there, mostly in jest about the FO. But won't whine about them constantly. LOL.

I think we will get the right players in the draft at the right spots, with the exception of one bone headed head scratcher type pick probably in the later rounds as usual. Just don't pick a red shirt injured player in the 2nd round again.
 
'Will' can accomplish a lot but not without 'competence'

'Where there is a will, there is a way' still requires competence
 
Generally building through the draft is a solid approach, and Will has helped produce some pretty darn good drafts. BUT...in my opinion, when you're able to find what you think might be a franchise QB in Dak, on his rookie contract, you must push your chips to the middle of the table during that period of time (provided you see yourself as a contender), before you have to pay the QB. I believe that's exactly what we're seeing Philly and the Rams do right now in free agency...building on strengths (d-line in the case of the Eagles and Rams), making trades to improve weak areas, adding quality depth, etc. Granted, you might have to eventually purge some big contracts later which can be painful, a la the Seahawks, but at least you had a good run of championship level play.
 
mport said:
Generally building through the draft is a solid approach, and Will has helped produce some pretty darn good drafts. BUT...in my opinion, when you're able to find what you think might be a franchise QB in Dak, on his rookie contract, you must push your chips to the middle of the table during that period of time (provided you see yourself as a contender), before you have to pay the QB. I believe that's exactly what we're seeing Philly and the Rams do right now in free agency...building on strengths (d-line in the case of the Eagles and Rams), making trades to improve weak areas, adding quality depth, etc. Granted, you might have to eventually purge some big contracts later which can be painful, a la the Seahawks, but at least you had a good run of championship level play.
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But also doing it the Eagles way, as other teams, eventually you have to pay the piper as is salary cap issues and let some good players go. Therefore possibly weakening your people before their peak time on some young players.

GB rarely ever was a player in FA, and built through the draft. They were, and still are contenders for a long time. NE same, but they made wise choices in there FA signings and trades. But then again when you have a very deep team with depth you can afford to try those things.

Dallas is fooling that path to build for a long run, not just a 2 or 3 year run.
not disagreeing with the approach you posted for the Rams and Eagles, it certainly is one way to do it. But by Dallas being patient and playing for the long haul is a way to go also. The problem is, this coaching staff, is not the right way, as 7 years is way too long. They wasted part of this and still may if nothing is changed soon.
 
jazzcat22 said:
But also doing it the Eagles way, as other teams, eventually you have to pay the piper as is salary cap issues and let some good players go. Therefore possibly weakening your people before their peak time on some young players.

GB rarely ever was a player in FA, and built through the draft. They were, and still are contenders for a long time. NE same, but they made wise choices in there FA signings and trades. But then again when you have a very deep team with depth you can afford to try those things.

Dallas is fooling that path to build for a long run, not just a 2 or 3 year run.
not disagreeing with the approach you posted for the Rams and Eagles, it certainly is one way to do it. But by Dallas being patient and playing for the long haul is a way to go also. The problem is, this coaching staff, is not the right way, as 7 years is way too long. They wasted part of this and still may if nothing is changed soon.
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Totally agree and I hope you're right, that Jerry and the gang build a model of sustainable success rather than a flash in the pan. There's definitely evidence to support that they're in it for the long haul such as how they've worked the free agency fringes the last few years, improved drafting based on BPA, retaining Garrett, etc. If that's the plan, I hope they have they're able to stick to it because Jerry and Co. also have conflicting tendencies to become too fond of players, overpay them, or not reduce their role when their play drops off.
 
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When is the time to see those goals through? There should be a sense of urgency. You're about to cycle through a round of great players like Lee, Dez, Witten, etc even Tyron has injury issues. But when you have players like this on the roster to go along with Dak and Elliott on rookie deals, plus an Oline of 1st rounders??? Considering they went 13-3 with home field 2 years ago. I'd say it's time. Instead they sit on their hands? Instead signings like Carroll, Thornton, Paea? It sure would be nice to see a smart decision on the trade or free agency front cause right now the moves or lack thereof are a little baffling and definitely concerning! But I'm sure they'll uncover a gem at some point. lol They suck in free agency and the draft isn't enough, that's the bottom line.. At this rate, they're getting passed by. Other teams utilize it while actually making moves that help their team, and they draft well?! .. wow that's crazy??! How do they do it? Looks like this team can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
 
Zeke gets his 5 years then you trade him and draft another rb. Thats the way this should play out.
 
Building through the draft is fine, but the problem is that's our sole method for improving the team. Because of that, we tend to overvalue the guys we draft and then give some of them undeserving 2nd contracts or stick with them too long. I don't think you can create a team that's consistently in the playoffs without grabbing key FAs every now and then in FA. Not all the guys you draft are going to pan out.
 
mport said:
Generally building through the draft is a solid approach, and Will has helped produce some pretty darn good drafts. BUT...in my opinion, when you're able to find what you think might be a franchise QB in Dak, on his rookie contract, you must push your chips to the middle of the table during that period of time (provided you see yourself as a contender), before you have to pay the QB. I believe that's exactly what we're seeing Philly and the Rams do right now in free agency...building on strengths (d-line in the case of the Eagles and Rams), making trades to improve weak areas, adding quality depth, etc. Granted, you might have to eventually purge some big contracts later which can be painful, a la the Seahawks, but at least you had a good run of championship level play.
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The Eagles and the Rams both had a performance this past year from their Qb that gave them that confidence!
 
TwentyOne said:
you reall think they gonna pick up his 5th year option ?
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if i had to guess today, yes. JJ firmly believes Zeke was innocent, so he doesn't hold that suspension against him one little bit. if not for the suspension he was on pace for 1600 yards. his first two years are pretty darn good. i don't see him slowing down in the next two.
 
People love the draft TOO much. Do you know what happens in the draft? We draft cheap players, in 3 years we pay and or lose them, meaning you have 3 years from the time you draft a player to get return on said player. When you don't, you push the Super Bowl chances further and further away. We've been doing this same crappy routine for 22 years now.

IMO, you put all of your draft picks in a pool and go after top talent. You're not going to win with crap all over your team. Then you pick up 1 maybe 2 TOP free agents. So all in all, you need 4 to 5 impact players in 2 years. But not this organization, we believe in cheap crap players with zero value. When you're an organization who aren't very good at drafting, then you need "right out the box" IMPACT players who are ready to go day 1.
 
Clove said:
People love the draft TOO much. Do you know what happens in the draft? We draft cheap players, in 3 years we pay and or lose them, meaning you have 3 years from the time you draft a player to get return on said player. When you don't, you push the Super Bowl chances further and further away. We've been doing this same crappy routine for 22 years now.

IMO, you put all of your draft picks in a pool and go after top talent. You're not going to win with crap all over your team. Then you pick up 1 maybe 2 TOP free agents. So all in all, you need 4 to 5 impact players in 2 years. But not this organization, we believe in cheap crap players with zero value. When you're an organization who aren't very good at drafting, then you need "right out the box" IMPACT players who are ready to go day 1.
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Contracts are 4 years, not 3.

First round picks have a 5th year option.

Hitchens drafted in the 4th will likely net a 4th round comp pick. It could even be a 3rd.

The Cowboys keep them if they're elite.
 
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