It's funny how people forget how bad this offense is when our backup QB is called upon

[Shinaoi]

Hopefully we draft another young qb and have him developing too.

 

[Stash]

Im not the one who basically said I know what Dallas for is or is not thinking.
You are.
All I said is you dont know that for sure. Can you not see the vadt difference?
The burden of proof is not even 1% on me because I made zero claims about what they for sure are thinking.

Sure it is. You start in with a post trying to claim I'm wrong and then don't think you have the slightest burden of proof to prove it?

If you dont get that....well, forget it.
This is silly.

It was when you first brought it up.

 

[DFWJC]

Sure it is. You start in with a post trying to claim I'm wrong and then don't think you have the slightest burden of proof to prove it?



It was when you first brought it up.

No. I didnt claim you were wrong or right....just that you did not know for sure but where sounding like you did.
Anytime someone claims to know something, its their job to prove.
The only thing I claimed to know...is that you for sure did not know what Dallas prefered right now.
Thats all.

Btw, I added to my pevious post my "guesses" as to what I think both Romo and Dallas are preferring. But me or you dont jnow for sure unless they all come out and say exactly what they want.
Thats the differnce...I say we dont know for sure and you were making it sound like you do.
So all I daid was the glaring obvious...that no you dont know that (and neither do any of us posting here)

 

[Stash]

Anytime someone claims to know something, its their job to prove.
The only thing I claimed to know...is that you for sure did not know what Dallas prefered right now.
Thats all.

Btw, I added to my pevious post my "guesses" as to what I think both Romo and Dallas are preferring. But me or you dont jnow for sure unless they all come out and say exactly what they want.
Thats the differnce...I say we dont know for sure and you were making it sound like you do.
So all I daid was the glaring obvious...that no you dont know that (and neither do any of us posting here)

Here, this one article - out of dozens - says Romo wants to go elsewhere to start. Nowhere does it say the Cowboys are forcing him out. In fact, it states just the opposite.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...roncos-chiefs-update/xg5mf8tdxf01b7ajhtvdzc0l

Romo has made it clear he wants to start, specifically for a contender. So the best-case scenario for Dallas is not a possibility — unless the veteran changes his mind and agrees to play for the Cowboys as a backup behind Prescott.

If they were able to keep Romo and his cap hit of $24.7 million in 2017, the Cowboys would have a better-than-ideal quarterback situation regardless of Romo's status as backup or starter. With Prescott in his second year bringing a cap hit of just $635,848, Dallas essentially would employ two starting-caliber quarterbacks for the price of one. And that wouldn't change in the near future, either, as the current contracts for both players expire after the 2019 season.

There's your proof supporting my claims, and as I've said, one of dozens saying the exact same thing.

Your turn now, show me one that claims anything otherwise, and where the Cowboys are pushing him out the door.

Me - 1
You - 0

 

[DFWJC]

Here, this one article - out of dozens - says Romo wants to go elsewhere to start. Nowhere does it say the Cowboys are forcing him out. In fact, it states just the opposite.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...roncos-chiefs-update/xg5mf8tdxf01b7ajhtvdzc0l

Romo has made it clear he wants to start, specifically for a contender. So the best-case scenario for Dallas is not a possibility — unless the veteran changes his mind and agrees to play for the Cowboys as a backup behind Prescott.

If they were able to keep Romo and his cap hit of $24.7 million in 2017, the Cowboys would have a better-than-ideal quarterback situation regardless of Romo's status as backup or starter. With Prescott in his second year bringing a cap hit of just $635,848, Dallas essentially would employ two starting-caliber quarterbacks for the price of one. And that wouldn't change in the near future, either, as the current contracts for both players expire after the 2019 season.

There's your proof supporting my claims, and as I've said, one of dozens saying the exact same thing.

Your turn now, show me one that claims anything otherwise, and where the Cowboys are pushing him out the door.

Me - 1
You - 0

Not really.

My comments were based on what Dallas preferred and you making claim that you knew that for sure.

Youre being childish, stash.

My comments were simple and youve turned it into an argument.

I never once disagreed with you...I was just humble enough to admit that I (We) dont know for sure....especially regarding Dallas' preferences ( moreso than Tony's)

I did list what I thought each party "might" prefer a couple posts back
Just dont know for sure...especially on Dallas' end

Nobody is disputing that Romo wants to start
And I never once claimed Dallas was pushing him out the door

The gray area, imo, from Dallas is whether they'd prefer to keep him as a backup at full price if they ended up getting a great trade offer. I dont think anyone knows their preference there...including (and the basis of my whole point) you

 

[TrailBlazer]

In the NFL you have to hope your starting QB stays healthy. Otherwise you're done. You don't go putting big resources into finding a backup that ideally will never play. Because if you have to rely on your backup QB it's over anyway.

 

[Stash]

Not really.

My comments were based on what Dallas preferred and you making claim that you knew that for sure.

Youre being childish, stash.

My comments were simple and youve turned it into an argument.

I never once disagreed with you...I was just humble enough to admit that I (We) dont know for sure....especially regarding Dallas' preferences ( moreso than Tony's)

I did list what I thought each party "might" prefer a couple posts back
Just dont know for sure...especially on Dallas' end

Nobody is disputing that Romo wants to start
And I never once claimed Dallas was pushing him out the door

The gray area, imo, from Dallas is whether they'd prefer to keep him as a backup at full price if they ended up getting a great trade offer. I dont think anyone knows their preference there...including (and the basis of my whole point) you

Yes, but again, can you honestly argue that point? That the Cowboys would demand that Romo take a paycut to stay? Have you seen that mentioned anywhere?

My claims are based on what everyone who has weighed in on the topic has said. Yours is speculation for speculations sake, with no support for the claims at all.

And the very article I quoted you talked about that very thing. Dallas would have no problem paying that amount for the best quarterback situation in the league, but as stated, it's not up to them. They're not forcing Romo to leave, but they're not forcing him to stay either.

 

[DFWJC]

Yes, but again, can you honestly argue that point? That the Cowboys would demand that Romo take a paycut to stay? Have you seen that mentioned anywhere?

My claims are based on what everyone who has weighed in on the topic has said. Yours is speculation for speculations sake, with no support for the claims at all.

And the very article I quoted you talked about that very thing. Dallas would have no problem paying that amount for the best quarterback situation in the league, but as stated, it's not up to them. They're not forcing Romo to leave, but they're not forcing him to stay either.

Ok...to simplify this

Can you tell me for which of the following 2 choices Dallas would prefer
1) Keep Romo at full price as a backup
2) if they get a great offer (say a mid-late 1st round pick to even high 2nd) trade him to a non rival team

Thats what this is about.
If you can honestly answer that you know for sure which of these theyd take if given the option....and show where they said that....then you have a point.
You seem to be saying that they prefer option #1...for sure. And my whole point was that I dont think we know that side of the equation.

 

[Melonfeud]

completely agree. what i find funny is before Dak everybody was convinced Dallas needed a young QB because Romo couldnt stay healthy. Even right up until draft day it was the same convo dallas needs to find a young guy because Romo cant stay healthy, everybody wanted goff, wentz or lynch. Dallas got the best QB in the draft since the raiders took Carr. Dallas got great value and Dak took over and led this team as a rookie, im not talking bout leading them to a 13-3 record im talking bout leading and vets buying into him and following him. So you have to wonder is there something else in this whole Romo/Dak situation? Something we dont talk about but it being a race thing? I know its a topic that probably will get flagged here. But are these fans still griping about Dak just not ready for a black QB in Dallas?

Good post, but let's be honest about it ,race ain't got a damn thing to do with it, the camp I'm residing in is:
Yes, we hit the jackpot in drafting #4 ,wow ,totally unexpected level of ability Prescott walked thru the door with.
Romo knew that the backup Q.B.to be drafted was a high priority ,I'm pretty sure while slowly becoming 'impressed' with #4's capabilities while he was recuperating on the sidelines, he,also was blown away a time or two( Pittsburgh/ 1st philly game)

"If" #4 could just season a little bit longer under the tutelage of #9 in breaking down the enemies defensive alignment's just a little longer it's only gonna make #4 that much better in his killer plan of attack by either verbally changing the play cuz they know his intent or him burning them bad cuz he knows theirs,,, ( cerebral processing )pretty sure we know Quincy Carter wasn't bounced for his skin color but because he wasn't on the level that's needed in the N.F.L. to be Q.B.

(now, if the cowboy's cut Escobar and Romo ?,,, well, I guess some of my amigos/amigas could be feeling a bit disenfranchised)

 

[JoeKing]

We just went 13-3 with a backup quarterback so your premise is shot to hell right there. This team did worse in 2015 with a backup QB playing because they were a worse team. Now we have a legit good team led by a legit good QB. It makes a difference who you surround your QB with. Poor Sanchez was sacrificed that last game last season when they threw him in with a hollow lineup. He would have been fine with all the starter in the game.

I'm not opposed to the OP's idea of keeping Romo but I'd let him compete for the starting job and if he wins then Dak is a good backup.

 

[noshame]

I'll take abag of chips and a twinkle

Seriously just keep Moore and Linehan will design a handful of plays just for his noodle arm like he did a couple seasons ago and we'll be fine.
Problem solved we have food and a backup quarterback

 

[Kaiser]

Good post, but let's be honest about it ,race ain't got a damn thing to do with it, the camp I'm residing in is:
Yes, we hit the jackpot in drafting #4 ,wow ,totally unexpected level of ability Prescott walked thru the door with.
Romo knew that the backup Q.B.to be drafted was a high priority ,I'm pretty sure while slowly becoming 'impressed' with #4's capabilities while he was recuperating on the sidelines, he,also was blown away a time or two( Pittsburgh/ 1st philly game)

Exactly, the Dallas fan base went head over heals for Prescott and every player has doubters. For proof of that read all the posts that in a months time went from saying the team couldn't possibly succeed with Romo out to saying Romo is a bum and was never any good in the first place.

There are a million things in play with the Dak Prescott story, but race isn't one of them.

 

[the_h0wey]

For years it was always the same thing. If Tony went down the backup couldn't get the job done. Even if for just a game or two the backup couldn't hold things together. Before Tony we couldn't even find a starter.
Now we finally have both and most on here are willing to trade Romo for a 2nd rounder and a bag of chips. Everyone needs to know that once you trade him you are right back in the situation of trying to find a backup QB, one of the most underrated positions in all of football and one of our biggest downfalls as I mentioned. Did everyone not see Sanchez against the Eagles? That is what you get if Dak goes down or has a sophomore slump. I honestly think that the chances of Dak having a second year slump are very small but you never know and I think that keeping Tony at least for this next year coming up is worth it. Believe it or not but his trade value of a 2nd round pick would most likely be the same in 18. I wouldn't doubt that if needed for a game or two fans would be more than happy with the outcome if number 9 was needed. Heck, I would actually trade a second round pick for a stud backup QB.

Pretty much every team in the league is screwed if there starting QB goes down. It has been that way in the NFL for years.

 

[irishline]

I sense a bromance lol.
if not a work in progess, how would you define him?
Seasoned vet?
Elite?
The term project can be applied to good players as well as the lesser players.

I would define him the quarterback that had one of the best, if not arguably the best, rookie season in NFL history. I would define him at the 5x rookie of the week. I would define him as the NFL rookie of the year. I would define him as a QB who put up a season with a better QB percentage than all but 1 of Romo's 10 seasons as a starting QB.

I would say this about him...

"Prescott put up a 104.9 QB Rating, surpassing Robert Griffin III for the highest mark by a rookie. He also did a fantastic job avoiding turnovers, which is often a struggle for rookies. Prescott’s 0.9 interception percentage is the lowest by a first-year QB."

"Dak Prescott is the 2nd player (1st rookie) in NFL history to have 3,500+ pass yards & fewer than 5 INT in a season (Tom Brady, 2010 & 2016)"

"Prescott finished his 2016 rookie regular season with a record 11 games with an over 100 NFL passer rating, breaking the rookie record of 9 games set by Russell Wilson in 2012. He tied the Ben Roethlisberger 2004 rookie record of winning 13 games as a starter. His 67.76% pass completion percentage broke the rookie record of 66.44% set by Ben Roethlisberger"


http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/3/14132748/dak-prescott-cowboys-rookie-quarterback-records

I am a Romo fan. I think he gets a bad rap given his importance to this team. I will hate to see him leave. But there is nothing about what you read above concerning Dak that says "work in progress". Nothing. Does he have things to improve upon? Sure. But so does Romo and he has been in the league 14 years.

You think people laugh at the Cowboys now, image how loud that laughter gets if we bench the QB described above (Dak) because he was a "work in progress". It would be beyond deafening. And deservedly so.

 

[DFWJC]

completely agree. what i find funny is before Dak everybody was convinced Dallas needed a young QB because Romo couldnt stay healthy. Even right up until draft day it was the same convo dallas needs to find a young guy because Romo cant stay healthy, everybody wanted goff, wentz or lynch. Dallas got the best QB in the draft since the raiders took Carr. Dallas got great value and Dak took over and led this team as a rookie, im not talking bout leading them to a 13-3 record im talking bout leading and vets buying into him and following him. So you have to wonder is there something else in this whole Romo/Dak situation? Something we dont talk about but it being a race thing? I know its a topic that probably will get flagged here. But are these fans still griping about Dak just not ready for a black QB in Dallas?

The overwhelmingly vast majority of us-- including those who, unlike Latin Mind, liked and respected Romo as the Cowboy QB--are absolutely thrilled that we landed Dak.
The young man is all that you would look for.

Leave to it LM to take the low class low road regarding anything Romo.
Now the race card?
Are you f'in kidding us?

 

[LatinMind]

The overwhelmingly vast majority of us-- including those who, unlike Latin Mind, liked and respected Romo as the Cowboy QB--are absolutely thrilled that we landed Dak.
The young man is all that you would look for.

Leave to it LM to take the low class low road regarding anything Romo.
Now the race card?
Are you f'in kidding us?

its a question. if it doesnt apply to you then ignore it and move on. Ive never been a Romosexual, but i have rooted for him. My support for Dak before he was even drafted has been more to do with his skill rather than anything to do with Romo. I loved watching him in college. Anybody that actually watched him wouldve seen that hehad the it factor. His teams just believed in him. Since 2014 my two guys in college were Dak and Mahomes.

In requards to you thinking my question on the race issue requarding Dak, all i have to say is im sure you have never lived in texas. Where the older generation still sits with that mindframe of the 50's and 60's. I didnt say anything out of line. Youre all in your emotions. You shouldve just moved on from my post because you clearly cant handle the question.

 

[DFWJC]

its a question. if it doesnt apply to you then ignore it and move on. Ive never been a Romosexual, but i have rooted for him. My support for Dak before he was even drafted has been more to do with his skill rather than anything to do with Romo. I loved watching him in college. Anybody that actually watched him wouldve seen that hehad the it factor. His teams just believed in him. Since 2014 my two guys in college were Dak and Mahomes.

In requards to you thinking my question on the race issue requarding Dak, all i have to say is im sure you have never lived in texas. Where the older generation still sits with that mindframe of the 50's and 60's. I didnt say anything out of line. Youre all in your emotions. You shouldve just moved on from my post because you clearly cant handle the question.

I've lived in Texas since 1991.
Also, since Dak has been a Cowboy, I've never heard of a single person have issue with his half black/ half white ethnicity. Never met anyone with issues on Romos half Hispanic / half white heritage either.
In other words, you are out of line making unfounded insinuations. THATS why I replied and didn't just move on.

I do know that long before we had Dak, you would routinely bashed Romo--always nitpicking the guy apart--in your weekly game write-ups.
That much, I do know.

Anyway, we can all at least share in our good fortune in landing Dak.
Moving forward....

 

[LatinMind]

I've lived in Texas since 1991.
Also, since Dak has been a Cowboy, I've never heard of a single person have issue with his half black/ half white ethnicity. Never met anyone with issues on Romos half Hispanic / half white heritage either.
In other words, you are out of line making unfounded insinuations. THATS why I replied and didn't just move on.

I do know that long before we had Dak, you would routinely bashed Romo--always nitpicking the guy apart--in your weekly game write-ups.
That much, I do know.

Anyway, we can all at least share in our good fortune in landing Dak.
Moving forward....

IN my posts i reponded to people. And have said it over and over, its got nothing to do with Romo's skill. Its his inability to stay on the field. If you cant deal with that reality i really dont care. Call it whatever you want.

LOL and wrong person on Romo bashing. In 2014 i defended him every week. Because that was the first yr he played unselfish ball. Instead of forcing throws he trusted his runner. Thats got alot to do with the people the organization surrounded him with tho. Dallas basically took that risk factor he was playing with on a weekly basis and inserted Murray to ease the pressure. But even in 2014 Romo started slow almost weekly and took Murray to jumpstart the offense. If you deny this then you didnt watch 2014.

Romo was a good talent for this team for yrs, but his time has come and passed. Dont get emotional with me because i completely agreed on the direction the team went from the get go.

 

[waving monkey]

I say if Nathan Peterman or Trevor Knight are still available in the 6th...go for it!

If you're backup looks good, you can always trade them for a higher pick later.

What i did see of Peterman was pretty good. I dont see him in the sixth however. Guessing a forth might get him.

 

[Alexander]

I think it wold be prudent to sign Josh McCown. The idea of Kellen Moore being a twisted ankle away from playing makes me violently ill.