It's the secondary talent

[Garrettop]

Now, before people herpaderp in here about "Well who evaluated the talent??", let's just get out of the way that it's entirely on the FO that Dallas is fielding the safeties it has for the last 15 years, and to differing degrees, the CBs. Secondary and line play work together, and I watched Bradford repeatedly be able to get the ball out a second before a hit - and to a wide open receiver. Then you look at the replay and it's either a pick/rub, or the DB just gets left. Claiborne might be better, but he's only up to JAG level. Carr fell off the JAG wagon last year and hasn't gotten back on. Church and Wilcox aren't anything better than weak depth.

Jones can take one of those jobs. What about the other 3? It's not like the FO hasn't put resources into the secondary, but somewhere the talent eval has been off. Jones looks like the first right move there since drafting Newman. Can they do it again?

 

[Alexander]

Well, better draft us some more corners in the first round. Or spend millions on a free agent.

I got it. How about both? That always seems to work.

 

[Sydla]

Jones at FS, Scandrick at one CB. Hope for a Top ten pick, take Ramsey, the kid from FSU. That gives you two ball hawking Ss in Jones and Ramsey. They sign a mid tiered free agent CB, also maybe resign Claiborne at a decent price. Claiborne has actually been OK. Enough to warrant him coming back at the right price.

I could live with Scandrick and Free Agent at CB, Ramsey and Jones at S.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The safeties on this team are a joke. They play as such where the CB's have to be perfect and we know the CB's on this team are far from perfect. Get rid of Henderson as well. We've got 2 DB's worth keeping, Jones and White.




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[Alexander]

Jones at FS, Scandrick at one CB. Hope for a Top ten pick, take Ramsey, the kid from FSU. That gives you two ball hawking Ss in Jones and Ramsey. They sign a mid tiered free agent CB, also maybe resign Claiborne at a decent price. Claiborne has actually been OK. Enough to warrant him coming back at the right price.

I would cut ever single DB on this active roster not named Jones in a skinny minute and not think twice about it.

 

[SultanOfSix]

It's EVERYTHING from the top down, except for a few exceptions.

 

[perrykemp]

Every assumed the lack of talent in the secondary would be masked by the pass rush.

Fast forward the midpoint of the season and the Cowboys are rated 25th in sacks (and presumably pressures, knockdowns, etc).

Conclusion -- the pass rush isn't good enough and the secondary is showing it's woeful lack of talent.

 

[RunDMC]

People underestimated Scandrick's absence. He's the true leader of this defense and one of the best slot corners in the league and despite being undersized much more of a #1 than any other CB we have.

I'd re-sign Mo at the right price, you get Scandrick back, move Jones to FS, and we need to find another safety in the draft. That has to be a priority. You can't just keep a middle safety back there who constantly lets recievers get on top of him and who continuously takes bad angles.

 

[Alexander]

The safeties on this team are a joke. They play as such where the CB's have to be perfect and we know the CB's on this team are far from perfect. Get rid of Henderson as well. We've got 2 DB's worth keeping, Jones and White.




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Marinelli is doing the exact same nonsense here that he did in Chicago with the safeties. This is a "genius" who continued to march out sub-standard rubbish in the middle of the football field because apparently he deems the position irrelevant. You know, like 1-technique DT.

 

[perrykemp]

People underestimated Scandrick's absence. He's the true leader of this defense and one of the best slot corners in the league and despite being undersized much more of a #1 than any other CB we have.

Wait, I was confidentially told right here on CZ tha Patmon was better than Scandrick.

 

[superonyx]

Now, before people herpaderp in here about "Well who evaluated the talent??", let's just get out of the way that it's entirely on the FO that Dallas is fielding the safeties it has for the last 15 years, and to differing degrees, the CBs. Secondary and line play work together, and I watched Bradford repeatedly be able to get the ball out a second before a hit - and to a wide open receiver. Then you look at the replay and it's either a pick/rub, or the DB just gets left. Claiborne might be better, but he's only up to JAG level. Carr fell off the JAG wagon last year and hasn't gotten back on. Church and Wilcox aren't anything better than weak depth.

Jones can take one of those jobs. What about the other 3? It's not like the FO hasn't put resources into the secondary, but somewhere the talent eval has been off. Jones looks like the first right move there since drafting Newman. Can they do it again?

Well the Bengals don't seem to be having trouble winning all their games and this is their secondary.

Dre Kirkpatrick
Adam Jones
George Lloka
Reggie Nelson

How is that so much better than ours?
Byron Jones looks solid. Scandrick will be back next year.

Look around the league and how many teams have Seahawks level secondaries.
This level of losing has people blaming everyone.

 

[Garrettop]

Tell me you wouldn't take any safety tandem in the league over Church and Wilcox. I'm not blaming "everyone", although that's the sum nature of the board right now. I'm specifically looking at a secondary that has been terrible,merely bad, and terrible for the last 3 years, and really it goes back far longer.

Jones looks like a find (and a pick that was widely panned btw), but that's only one guy. Scandrick is getting old, and took a while to become everyones favorite around here. Dallas hasn't had a safety worth a damn since Woodson, unless you count horsecollaring a guy who beat you as "good". Safeties might be more important than corners in the current edition of the NFL, and Dallas is severely handicapped in that regard.

 

[Sydla]

I like the Eagles approach. In their system, they decided to go with what essentially is two FS in Jenkins and Thurmond. They are interchangeable and allow them to mix and match coverages without worrying about a slow, plodding SS ending up trying to cover a TE.

But as Alexander said, as long as Marinelli is here, I suspect we'll continue to field weak S talent at both spots (or just one if they move Jones to FS).

 

[Garrettop]

The Eagles have the best safety tandem in the NFL this year the last time I checked. It's the one thing on that team I envy.

 

[RS12]

Back seven has zero impact talent right now.

 

[CowboysRule]

Tell me you wouldn't take any safety tandem in the league over Church and Wilcox. I'm not blaming "everyone", although that's the sum nature of the board right now. I'm specifically looking at a secondary that has been terrible,merely bad, and terrible for the last 3 years, and really it goes back far longer.

Jones looks like a find (and a pick that was widely panned btw), but that's only one guy. Scandrick is getting old, and took a while to become everyones favorite around here. Dallas hasn't had a safety worth a damn since Woodson, unless you count horsecollaring a guy who beat you as "good". Safeties might be more important than corners in the current edition of the NFL, and Dallas is severely handicapped in that regard.

Scandrick is 28. Roy Williams was amazing his first three seasons.

The line will make the secondary better by rushing the QB but you aren't going to get to him every time. The corners need to cover for a few seconds to allow the line to actually get to the QB. They are just taking quick drops and firing the ball to open WR's. The secondary needs to play better.

 

[Gaede]

Wilcox and Church should not be starters. The former takes bad angles almost instinctively, while the latter is becoming Roy Williams redux-can't cover, can't tackle

 

[ShiningStar]

People underestimated Scandrick's absence. He's the true leader of this defense and one of the best slot corners in the league and despite being undersized much more of a #1 than any other CB we have.

I'd re-sign Mo at the right price, you get Scandrick back, move Jones to FS, and we need to find another safety in the draft. That has to be a priority. You can't just keep a middle safety back there who constantly lets recievers get on top of him and who continuously takes bad angles.

yes, i love being the team that needs that one player, i just love it no one player need stand up, never happens on other teams as well. we just need that one player,

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Marinelli is doing the exact same nonsense here that he did in Chicago with the safeties. This is a "genius" who continued to march out sub-standard rubbish in the middle of the football field because apparently he deems the position irrelevant. You know, like 1-technique DT.

It reminds me of the guard situation (and center) we had for years when our O-Line struggled. We simply would not budge on trying to find a quality guard and claimed it was just a 'plug-and-play' type of position. Even more frustrating, the Dallas O-Line of the 90's was built on great guard play from Newton and Larry Allen (and Stepnoski at center). But, we simply couldn't be bothered to dare get some quality guards or a center that had a clue (Gurode was often clueless). Then we get a really good center and draft a guard and get Leary and all of the sudden...the O-Line is arguably the best in the league.

We used to be very good at safety year after year. Mainly headed up by Woodson. But for whatever reason ever since Parcells came here and Woody retired, we can't be bothered with seeking out good safeties.

Nothing more aggravating than losing in the same exact fashion, year after year.







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