It's Tuesday, I Hate TV, I'm Bored, Gonna Mock

dont like it
no way rackley lasts until #89 (even if he dosent go in 2)

so the end result of this scenario will be that we will end up with only moffit on OL

unpopular opinion but peterson is not a once in a decade CB, i am not a fan of trading up for the shiny toy when we have so many meat and potato needs

look at the teams that have won (or played in SBs) recently, most of them (NE, Pitt, GB, NO, etc) dont have top 15-20 CBs

teams that compete yeat in year out have a good QB, strong in the trenches, put pressure on QB

that is what we need
 
I want to confirm, moving up from 9 costs a 3rd. San Deigo moving from 50 to ours also costs a 3rd?
 
lostinomiya;3922772 said:
looks good...don't get your Johnson reference...does JJ have the money to get Clabo and Huff in FA?

Since this year will be uncapped, yes. Jerry and Stephen can structure the deal to pay most of the money up front similar to Miles Austin's deal that happened last year in the uncapped year.

I think they'll do the same restructuring to keep Terence Newman, since his cap hit is more than it costs to keep him on the roster for a year.
 
esmith1790;3923010 said:
I want to confirm, moving up from 9 costs a 3rd. San Deigo moving from 50 to ours also costs a 3rd?

Value of Pick 40: 500

Value of Pick 50: 400
Value of Pick 89: 145


So technically we are actually making a bit of a profit off them, but the values are relative anyway.
 
TheCount;3922961 said:
I might not need my usual cup of coffee this morning afterall. :)
I think your boy becomes a Cowboy unless someone grabs him before we plan to.
 
can't get behind any offseason plan that does not protect romo. Seriously doubt ATL lets Clabo go. What then? We are wasting Romo's final few productive years if we don't upgrade the OL.
 
You still think he will be there at 6 Hos with all of the rumors of teams wanting to move up?

and have we looked at Moffitt?

I would be happy with this draft
 
diehard2294;3923079 said:
You still think he will be there at 6 Hos with all of the rumors of teams wanting to move up?

and have we looked at Moffitt?

I would be happy with this draft
The teams wanting to move up have almost all been about QB or WR. Maybe pass rusher. I haven't seen anything about wanting to move up for a CB except Houston and I don't think they take Peterson over Miller. Wade needs his pass rusher.
 
Hostile;3923096 said:
The teams wanting to move up have almost all been about QB or WR. Maybe pass rusher. I haven't seen anything about wanting to move up for a CB except Houston and I don't think they take Peterson over Miller. Wade needs his pass rusher.

Speaking of which, how exactly does Mario Williams fit into the 3-4 plans? Seems like a huge waste to put him at DE.

Maybe they plan to try and replicate Ratliff's success and put him at NT, but he's a legit 6'7", if his combine numbers were correct.

I think DE is his natural fit, curious to see the kind of success a legitimate elite 4-3 pass rusher has at 3-4 end.
 
TheCount;3923212 said:
Speaking of which, how exactly does Mario Williams fit into the 3-4 plans? Seems like a huge waste to put him at DE.

Maybe they plan to try and replicate Ratliff's success and put him at NT, but he's a legit 6'7", if his combine numbers were correct.

I think DE is his natural fit, curious to see the kind of success a legitimate elite 4-3 pass rusher has at 3-4 end.
I think it is a waste too. But that is where he will have to play. Sad really.
 
I think like said above both Rackley and Herzlich are both drafted one round higher, with Herzlich possibly going at the end of round 3.

I would love Rackley in r3 and Herzlich in r4.

I'm doing a mock draft right now and seeing 2 of them being drafted by us.
 
Hostile;3922764 said:
I wasn't going to do any more mocks, but I am really bored without football news and I don't consider the pungent CBA stuff news any more. Just a bunch of fluff that is predictable and uninteresting.

But mock drafts...always interest me.

I do believe we're going to trade up to #6 for Patrick Peterson. You can call me stubborn. You can call me madly in love with a man crush. But you doesn't have to call me Johnson.

I wonder if anyone will get that last line?

#9 and #71 for #6 from Cleveland.

#6. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU, 6'1", 219. IMO the best player in this Draft by a wide margin and the best CB in a decade. It is a need, he is a stud, Jerry has the mojo, do the math. Peterson to Dallas happens. I think Newman is a cap saving cut, Huff and Sensy are the safety tandem.

Jerry will trade down and recoup a 3rd round pick. Chargers move up from 50 and give us 89.

#50. Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton, 6'5", 345.
I am starting to believe this is a guy we really want and Rat will move to DE. In other words, he starts from day 1 and Brent is his back up.

#89. Will Rackley, OT/OG, Lehigh, 6'3", 310. I've heard 2nd round. Not buying it. 3rd round is a perfect spot for him. Since we're not grabbing Smith or Castonzo in round 1 people will inevitably panic. Fear Not. Tyson Clabo in FA replaces Colombo. I do believe Young is seen as our future RT, so passing on RT in round 1 to get the guy we want and utilizing FA makes sense.

#110. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'4", 315. Rackley and Moffitt will eventually replace Davis and Kosier. Stable OL for a decade potentially.

#143. Cecil Shorts III, WR, Mount Union, 6'0", 190. This kid is a weapon no matter where you use him. He will be awesome in the slot. He can work on both return teams and even can play RB or emergency QB. He has a nose for the endzone.

#176. Mark Herzlich, ILB, Boston College, 6'4", 245.
Born to play football. Non stop motor and a guy who has beaten cancer and will continue to improve. Could be Lee's stable mate for years.

#220. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama, 6'2", 225.
Intelligent, driven, and has the pedigree I love. A perfect backup.

#252. Byron Stingily, OT, Louisville, 6'5", 315. OT insurance and guy they can groom. A great project with low risk.


Man, I hope you're right. I want PP just as badly as you do but I'm not getting my hopes up. If you believe what SDogo reported today Denver is seriously considering PP at #2. I just don't want to get my hopes up for this and then be crushed.
 
Hostile;3923096 said:
The teams wanting to move up have almost all been about QB or WR. Maybe pass rusher. I haven't seen anything about wanting to move up for a CB except Houston and I don't think they take Peterson over Miller. Wade needs his pass rusher.

but IMO he does not get past Denver

Carolina - takes Dareous or PP
Denver - take who ever Carolina leaves them with
 
Hostile;3922764 said:
I wasn't going to do any more mocks, but I am really bored without football news and I don't consider the pungent CBA stuff news any more. Just a bunch of fluff that is predictable and uninteresting.

But mock drafts...always interest me.

I do believe we're going to trade up to #6 for Patrick Peterson. You can call me stubborn. You can call me madly in love with a man crush. But you doesn't have to call me Johnson.

I wonder if anyone will get that last line?

#9 and #71 for #6 from Cleveland.

#6. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU, 6'1", 219. IMO the best player in this Draft by a wide margin and the best CB in a decade. It is a need, he is a stud, Jerry has the mojo, do the math. Peterson to Dallas happens. I think Newman is a cap saving cut, Huff and Sensy are the safety tandem.

Jerry will trade down and recoup a 3rd round pick. Chargers move up from 50 and give us 89.

#50. Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton, 6'5", 345.
I am starting to believe this is a guy we really want and Rat will move to DE. In other words, he starts from day 1 and Brent is his back up.

#89. Will Rackley, OT/OG, Lehigh, 6'3", 310. I've heard 2nd round. Not buying it. 3rd round is a perfect spot for him. Since we're not grabbing Smith or Castonzo in round 1 people will inevitably panic. Fear Not. Tyson Clabo in FA replaces Colombo. I do believe Young is seen as our future RT, so passing on RT in round 1 to get the guy we want and utilizing FA makes sense.

#110. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'4", 315. Rackley and Moffitt will eventually replace Davis and Kosier. Stable OL for a decade potentially.

#143. Cecil Shorts III, WR, Mount Union, 6'0", 190. This kid is a weapon no matter where you use him. He will be awesome in the slot. He can work on both return teams and even can play RB or emergency QB. He has a nose for the endzone.

#176. Mark Herzlich, ILB, Boston College, 6'4", 245.
Born to play football. Non stop motor and a guy who has beaten cancer and will continue to improve. Could be Lee's stable mate for years.

#220. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama, 6'2", 225.
Intelligent, driven, and has the pedigree I love. A perfect backup.

#252. Byron Stingily, OT, Louisville, 6'5", 315. OT insurance and guy they can groom. A great project with low risk.

Switch out #143 for Cannon, and #220 for best safety or CB. Take the pothead Jenkins in the supp. draft and pray that it works- CHAMPIONSHIP!!
 

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