Jacob Rogers

[CrazyCowboy]

I sure hope some way that Rogers makes 06 NFL comeback player of the year, the Pro Bowl and All Pro team!

That would be sweet!

 

[DLCassidy]

I admit to being curious about his injury. I think BP and JJ both were convinced this guy was a slacker and that his injury was the equivalent of a stubbed toe. Then I hear the guy had microfracture surgery, which is not usually something you do for a minor injury. BP is way old school on the injury issue- we all know that. He benefits from this philosophy mostly because playing hurt is critical to the success of any team since quite frankly nobody goes through 16 games at 100%.

BP put the big S on Rogers because he was hurt several times. But maybe, just maybe, this time he wasn't crying wolf and maybe BP was wrong about his need for surgery and whether JR could just tough it out. How can we as fans really know? I do know one thing: if he hadn't had the shoulder problems previously we fans would not be throwing Rogers under the bus as quickly for the knee issue. But because he did we label him a wuss and call it a day. I'd just like to get the full scoop on the extent of the knee problem and where the player is now before I judge him. Anyone have his cell #? Let's get Rogers side of the story.

 

[Jarv]

I admit to being curious about his injury. I think BP and JJ both were convinced this guy was a slacker and that his injury was the equivalent of a stubbed toe. Then I hear the guy had microfracture surgery, which is not usually something you do for a minor injury. BP is way old school on the injury issue- we all know that. He benefits from this philosophy mostly because playing hurt is critical to the success of any team since quite frankly nobody goes through 16 games at 100%.

BP put the big S on Rogers because he was hurt several times. But maybe, just maybe, this time he wasn't crying wolf and maybe BP was wrong about his need for surgery and whether JR could just tough it out. How can we as fans really know? I do know one thing: if he hadn't had the shoulder problems previously we fans would not be throwing Rogers under the bus as quickly for the knee issue. But because he did we label him a wuss and call it a day. I'd just like to get the full scoop on the extent of the knee problem and where the player is now before I judge him. Anyone have his cell #? Let's get Rogers side of the story.

he had microfracture surgery ? I didn't know that. Then why was BP and Jerry so pissed ? Isn't that what Al Johnson had ? If so, he'll probably wouldn't be ready for NFLE anyhow.

 

[AbeBeta]

I admit to being curious about his injury. I think BP and JJ both were convinced this guy was a slacker and that his injury was the equivalent of a stubbed toe. Then I hear the guy had microfracture surgery, which is not usually something you do for a minor injury. BP is way old school on the injury issue- we all know that. He benefits from this philosophy mostly because playing hurt is critical to the success of any team since quite frankly nobody goes through 16 games at 100%.

I think the issue was that the team felt that Rogers had the kind of injury that most players are able to play through. Microfracture surgery indicates that he had some cartilage loss or degeneration in his knee -- you could probably say that about half the linemen in the league. it is an injury that our training staff thought could be managed. Rogers chose to have surgery instead.

And BP is old school in that he wants guys to play with pain -- not play with injuries -- he has made that distinction clear. If the trainers say someone is injured he doesn't pressure them to play. If the trainers say someone can go -- as they did with Rogers -- then he wants them to go.

 

[AbeBeta]

he had microfracture surgery ? I didn't know that. Then why was BP and Jerry so pissed ? Isn't that what Al Johnson had ?

Yes, but the issue was the team doctors thought Johnson needed it and thought Rogers didn't need it.

 

[boysfanindc]

he had microfracture surgery ? I didn't know that. Then why was BP and Jerry so pissed ? Isn't that what Al Johnson had ? If so, he'll probably wouldn't be ready for NFLE anyhow.

I think, because people have played with that injury and it was not likely to get worse.

But I am not a doctor, but I would trust that BP & JJ were being told he could play.

Conjecture I know, but they were pissed, I have to believe that was the reason.

 

[Jarv]

Well, he was the starter before the injury. Business is business. If BP lets this kid go and he ends up being a standard to quality tackle...and we end up spending a high pick or FA money to replace him...then it would be another situation where BP's ego and pride hurts the Cowboys.

I'm not saying he will be at all either...But since we spent a 2nd on him we should not throw that away yet if we still own his rights. Something before the injury made BP pencil him in as the starter.

 

[TheHustler]

Considering how RT turned out because of him.....

 

[AbeBeta]

Well, he was the starter before the injury. Business is business. If BP lets this kid go and he ends up being a standard to quality tackle...and we end up spending a high pick or FA money to replace him...then it would be another situation where BP's ego and pride hurts the Cowboys.

I'm not saying he will be at all either...But since we spent a 2nd on him we should not throw that away yet if we still own his rights. Something before the injury made BP pencil him in as the starter.

But we already threw him away. He was waived. Given that they knew he would just end up on IR when he wasn't claimed, BP and Jerry could have just put him on IR. But they wanted to make it very clear to him that he was done here -- and make it clear to the rest of the team that players who couldn't play with pain would not be welcome. I don't see BP changing his mind on this one.

 

[DLCassidy]

I think the issue was that the team felt that Rogers had the kind of injury that most players are able to play through. Microfracture surgery indicates that he had some cartilage loss or degeneration in his knee -- you could probably say that about half the linemen in the league. it is an injury that our training staff thought could be managed. Rogers chose to have surgery instead.

And BP is old school in that he wants guys to play with pain -- not play with injuries -- he has made that distinction clear. If the trainers say someone is injured he doesn't pressure them to play. If the trainers say someone can go -- as they did with Rogers -- then he wants them to go.

Yeah, I know what BP and JJ thought. Their view was pretty clear. They thought JR had a boo boo. And maybe that's the case- maybe the guy's got the pain threshold of a 3 month old. I'm just a bit curious when a guy opts for major surgery if there isn't another side to the story. That doesn't mean I don't think BP is sincere, I KNOW he is. It just means I can see a scenario where BP could be flat out wrong here. Again, no way to really know but if JR plays 16 games next year for say the Texans I'm going to be pissed.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yeah, I know what BP and JJ thought. Their view was pretty clear. They thought JR had a boo boo. And maybe that's the case- maybe the guy's got the pain threshold of a 3 month old. I'm just a bit curious when a guy opts for major surgery if there isn't another side to the story. That doesn't mean I don't think BP is sincere, I KNOW he is. It just means I can see a scenario where BP could be flat out wrong here. Again, no way to really know but if JR plays 16 games next year for say the Texans I'm going to be pissed.

The thing with microfracture procedures is that they aren't as clear cut as other major knee surgeries -- with say a torn ACL, it either is torn or it isn't. it is relatively simple. with cartilage, it is far more subjective -- and there isn't a whole hell of a lot that can be done about it aside from a major surgery like microfracture. I think the issue was that this was the sort of pain that all linemen have to deal with - if he needed to opt for surgery on something that he could realistically have played with for several years, then he just was never going to be able to be tough enough for the NFL.

If we could have paired Rogers' talent with Petitti's toughness, we'd have one great RT.

 

[VoR]

Then what could it hurt to send him to Europe ? Heck, if he does ok we could even use him as trade bait.

How does someone who has been injury prone for 2 years and never even played in a regular NFL season become trade bait?????
:laugh2:
POST OF THE FRIGGIN DAY!!!
Btw, beach front property in Arizona for sale.

 

[boysfanindc]

How does someone who has been injury prone for 2 years and never even played in a regular NFL season become trade bait?????
:laugh2:
POST OF THE FRIGGIN DAY!!!
Btw, beach front property in Arizona for sale.

Sometimes potential will get you something, but I agree you kind of got to play at least A game before some one buys it.

By the way I have been looking for some good beach front, but I have got to tell you I am not going to pay top dollar, because I am still trying to unload this bridge I bought.

 

[DLCassidy]

The thing with microfracture procedures is that they aren't as clear cut as other major knee surgeries -- with say a torn ACL, it either is torn or it isn't. it is relatively simple. with cartilage, it is far more subjective -- and there isn't a whole hell of a lot that can be done about it aside from a major surgery like microfracture. I think the issue was that this was the sort of pain that all linemen have to deal with - if he needed to opt for surgery on something that he could realistically have played with for several years, then he just was never going to be able to be tough enough for the NFL.

If we could have paired Rogers' talent with Petitti's toughness, we'd have one great RT.

I hear what you're saying. It's the part I highlighted that I know is what BP thinks but I'd like to hear from Rogers or maybe Rogers doctor. Or do you you KNOW that this is the case? Just asking.

Not all cartilage injuries are equal. We saw Burnett and Johnson get scopes for cartilage problems and neither was considered serious. But microfracture surgery is no joke, it sure isn't arthroscopic surgery, you know? It's invasive and downright risky- I know some athletes that had it and never played again. So again I ask, WTH would someone opt for such a procedure for what we assume amounts to a sore knee? Is Rogers not only a baby he's also a moron? Or was his knee possibly in worse shape than Parcells either believes or was led to believe? Again just asking.

 

[neosapien23]

I remember Derek Ross tried to be a Parcells guy. Instead of having a knee cartilage repair, he opted for the knee scope and had cartilage removed. He was never the same. After being cut by the Cowboys, he couldn't play at his previous level for other teams. He kept getting burned because of his arthritic knee. Sometimes a player has to take care of themselves and not listen to the coach. I do not fault Rogers for having surgery, he had a real injury and wanted to have his health rather than the coaches favor.

 

[wileedog]

But microfracture surgery is no joke, it sure isn't arthroscopic surgery, you know? It's invasive and downright risky- I know some athletes that had it and never played again. So again I ask, WTH would someone opt for such a procedure for what we assume amounts to a sore knee? Is Rogers not only a baby he's also a moron? Or was his knee possibly in worse shape than Parcells either believes or was led to believe? Again just asking.

Perhaps he really didn't care if he played again.

He already has a nice chunk of Jerry's money, got an injury settlement and he's probably insured to boot. Obviously from the various trips to the doctor every other day in camp even before the knee sprain he was not someone who bears pain well.

If the surgery went bad and he couldn't play again, perhaps that just wasn't that bad of an option to him.

Just speculating.

 

[Jarv]

How does someone who has been injury prone for 2 years and never even played in a regular NFL season become trade bait?????
:laugh2:
POST OF THE FRIGGIN DAY!!!
Btw, beach front property in Arizona for sale.

Because maybe IF he did play well in Europe other teams might have a spark of interest. What about that don't you understand ???

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I remember Derek Ross tried to be a Parcells guy. Instead of having a knee cartilage repair, he opted for the knee scope and had cartilage removed. He was never the same. After being cut by the Cowboys, he couldn't play at his previous level for other teams. He kept getting burned because of his arthritic knee. Sometimes a player has to take care of themselves and not listen to the coach. I do not fault Rogers for having surgery, he had a real injury and wanted to have his health rather than the coaches favor.

Parcells has a history of pushing players back from injury too quickly or expecting players to play through it.

There's a difference between being hurt and being injured. Parcells seems to draw the line much farther onto the injury side than most coaches.

As an example, if Henry would have been held out of the Detroit game, he may have been healthy enough to play some meaningful downs later in the year.

 

[AbeBeta]

I hear what you're saying. It's the part I highlighted that I know is what BP thinks but I'd like to hear from Rogers or maybe Rogers doctor. Or do you you KNOW that this is the case? Just asking.

Not all cartilage injuries are equal. We saw Burnett and Johnson get scopes for cartilage problems and neither was considered serious. But microfracture surgery is no joke, it sure isn't arthroscopic surgery, you know? It's invasive and downright risky- I know some athletes that had it and never played again. So again I ask, WTH would someone opt for such a procedure for what we assume amounts to a sore knee? Is Rogers not only a baby he's also a moron? Or was his knee possibly in worse shape than Parcells either believes or was led to believe? Again just asking.

I certainly don't know it is the case -- but I do know that even Jerry believed he should have played -- and Jerry is pretty soft with the players.

Microfracture is nowhere near as risky as it was even 3 years ago - it is widely used with very high success rates (among elite athletes) -- actually the success rates have jumped because they are using it with healthy knees now. it used to be that they would use this as a last resort -- now they are using it all the time. Bierault and Thornton both had it this year -- BP believed they needed it.

Johnson and Burnett had lose cartilage -- microfracture is for regeneration of the cartilage -- totally different issues.

 

[AbeBeta]

I remember Derek Ross tried to be a Parcells guy. Instead of having a knee cartilage repair, he opted for the knee scope and had cartilage removed.

Actually if you listen to the PCs from around that time BP said several times that choices like that were up to the player and he'd never push an injured player to do one thing or another. Ross can still have the microfracture procedure. I really don't think that was his problem.

And Ross clearly wasn't trying to be a Parcells guy when he took forever to get back on the field after that minor surgery.