Jag on Brady: 'He ain't all that'

[tyke1doe]

Sorry Reggie Nelson ... when you break every single season QB record known to man and lead the NFL's all time scoring offense and very likely will have as many Superbowl Rings on your hand after this season as Joe freakin Montana and you're just 30 years old .... that qualifies as being 'all that". If that's not "all that', who is?

They can't answer the question. It's hate and jealousy, pure and simple.

 

[tyke1doe]

Unbelievable. It's always the same people posting and defending the Pats and then pretending they're not Pats fans.

Must be that lack of integrity thing that the NFL takes with the Pats rubbing off on their fans.

Or it might be the overall stupidity of jaded Cowboys fans.

I think we all want the Pats to lose because, personally, I don't want them to win four Super Bowls in their decade of dominance because we didn't.

But as students and lovers of the game, we know great quarterbacks and teams when we see them.

You can root against the Pats and still believe they're a great team, just as I hated the Steelers and 49ers but had to admit that the Steelers were the best team of the 70s and Joe Montana was a great quarterback and all he did was dink and dunk in the WCO.

Open your eyes, and your mind will follow.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Or it might be the overall stupidity of jaded Cowboys fans.

I think we all want the Pats to lose because, personally, I don't want them to win four Super Bowls in their decade of dominance because we didn't.

But as students and lovers of the game, we know great quarterbacks and teams when we see them.

You can root against the Pats and still believe they're a great team, just as I hated the Steelers and 49ers but had to admit that the Steelers were the best team of the 70s and Joe Montana was a great quarterback and all he did was dink and dunk in the WCO.

Open your eyes, and your mind will follow.

Don't group me in your category of "we". I want the Pats to lose because they're cheaters. They've been cheating for years, and have been getting away with it. They've had rules invented for them on the spot, eg. the "tuck" rule, so they could go to a SB. They've been getting the benefits of dubious calls constantly throughout the years. They were able to plug in 3rd string cornerbacks and never miss a beat.

And now, because they've upgraded their talent level, they get a free pass? Excuse me for using my head and not believing all the media inculcated nonsense concerning their greatness.

Nothing infuriates me more than a lack of integrity, and whisking away of a sense of justice. So please spare me your sanctimonious lecture.

 

[joseephuss]

Don't group me in your category of "we". I want the Pats to lose because they're cheaters. They've been cheating for years, and have been getting away with it. They've had rules invented for them on the spot, eg. the "tuck" rule, so they could go to a SB. They've been getting the benefits of dubious calls constantly throughout the years. They were able to plug in 3rd string cornerbacks and never miss a beat.

And now, because they've upgraded their talent level, they get a free pass? Excuse me for using my head and not believing all the media inculcated nonsense concerning their greatness.

Nothing infuriates me more than a lack of integrity, and whisking away of a sense of justice. So please spare me your sanctimonious lecture.

The "tuck rule" was not invented on the spot. It is becoming a myth that that is the way it happened. I know I saw that same rule enforced earlier in that same season. That may have been the first year the rule went into effect, but how was the league supposed to know it would end up playing a role in the Patriots run that year.

It was the right call of an already existing rule. I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but I get the goal of making that type of rule. They want to take away as much subjective judgment from the refs as they can. Determining if the hand went forward before or after the ball came out is a lot less subjective than trying to figure out the intent of whether the QB was trying to tuck the ball or whatever.

Even if the tuck rule was invented on the spot(it wasn't), that single play did not prevent the Raiders from winning the game nor win the SB for the Patriots. New England still had to drive to tie the game and then win it. They then had to win more games to gain the title. A single play did not win it all for them.

The other stuff may be all true and applicable to the Patriots. I just find it funny that some people actually think the tuck rule was invented on the spot.

 

[khiladi]

It was the right call of an already existing rule. I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but I get the goal of making that type of rule. They want to take away as much subjective judgment from the refs as they can. Determining if the hand went forward before or after the ball came out is a lot less subjective than trying to figure out the intent of whether the QB was trying to tuck the ball or whatever.

He was touching the ball with BOTH his hands, and it was at his chest level. That situation had absolutely nothing to do with a ball going forward or backward.

"When a player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble."

The fact is, the playing wasn't holding the ball to pass it forward, so the situation of tucking doesn't even apply. He was holding onto it with both hands, after the forward motion was already completed. The motion was done.

In one sense, your right. It wasn't the tuck rule. It was a BS call that used the tuck tule to give the Patriots the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8jHdqO2QmM

Even if the tuck rule was invented on the spot(it wasn't), that single play did not prevent the Raiders from winning the game nor win the SB for the Patriots. New England still had to drive to tie the game and then win it. They then had to win more games to gain the title. A single play did not win it all for them.

Yeah... that's where Spygate comes in...

 

[Nors]

Exactly. And if you notice, when Welker has a CB playing on him, he isn't that effective. His bread-and-butter is the short passes over the middle, when LBs are dropping back to keep the intermediate zones in check.

Team doubled Moss all game long and took away deep passing game. Whats a QB to do - force it to the unopen players?

26-28 and a Win. Romo could learn a lot from watching that game - especially in how he attacked Giants in that last posession or two.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

When you have arguably, the best offensive line in the past decade, it's very likely you'll do some amazing things on the football field. When Brady drops back and has 8 seconds to throw a pass, and never goes a single game without feeling consistently pressured than it's very easy to look like the best quarterback that ever lived.

When his offensive line wasn't healthy and underperformed, you get the season after their first superbowl. Not even a playoff appearance. I'm not diminishing his accomplishments or his talent, but people need to stop pretending like he's doing it all by himself. Brady isn't the only quarterback who could've had this type of season with THAT offense, and THAT offensive line.

 

[The Patriot]

When you have arguably, the best offensive line in the past decade, it's very likely you'll do some amazing things on the football field. When Brady drops back and has 8 seconds to throw a pass, and never goes a single game without feeling consistently pressured than it's very easy to look like the best quarterback that ever lived.

When his offensive line wasn't healthy and underperformed, you get the season after their first superbowl. Not even a playoff appearance. I'm not diminishing his accomplishments or his talent, but people need to stop pretending like he's doing it all by himself. Brady isn't the only quarterback who could've had this type of season with THAT offense, and THAT offensive line.

2005 was Brady's best season up until this year. We had 12 starters out for the season by week four and Brady still got us to the Divisional Playoff Round. Brady is just THAT.

 

[SultanOfSix]

2005 was Brady's best season up until this year. We had 12 starters out for the season by week four and Brady still got us to the Divisional Playoff Round. Brady is just THAT.

Yeah, he's awesome at reading coverages when he knows the defensive play calls.

 

[Nors]

Yeah, he's awesome at reading coverages when he knows the defensive play calls.

Funny he had his best season ever with sideline film. Fact is film from pressbox is legal and available to all.

That then lends credence to what teams are smart enough to crack code - lol. Jimmy Johnson said he did it with Cowboys and later stopped practice.

Or "maybe Brady flat out is good" - LOL
Bellichicks cheating didn't work with Bledsoe.....

 

[SultanOfSix]

LOL. Bledsoe was injured in 2001. It's 2008 now Nors. It's been seven years.

How many times are you going to reiterate this Jimmy Johnson nonsense. The Pats are cheaters. Go away to your own board.