Jan 18 Mock

[rooler]

#14 Melvin Ingram, OLB, South Carolina[

#45 Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia

#83 Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State

#114 Tank Carder, ILB, TCU

#145 Travian Robertson, DE/DT, South Carolina

Tues: Probably the best defensive lineman in practice. Looks athletic, quick but also strong. Holds his ground and on several occasions beat blocks and made his opponent look bad


#176 Rishaw Johnson, OG, Cal (PA) 6-3 #310

Tues: Johnson looked powerful all day and was the best offensive linemen from the East. He handled everyone he lined-up against showing terrific power and blocking with outstanding fundamentals

Cal-Pennsylvania product, who started his college career at Mississippi, looked dominant all day. He's mechanically sound and athletic, and overpowered everyone that lined up against him. Defenders were stopped dead in their tracks once Johnson got his hands on them. The small-school lineman really elevated his stock in front of scouts


6 Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois

#207 Marvin Jones, KR/WR, California

 

[ragingbull2488]

Very solid looking draft. Although I like Ingram I would rather them go for Nick Perry or Whitney Mercilus in the first. Everything else looks good though.

 

[Biggems]

Very solid looking draft. Although I like Ingram I would rather them go for Nick Perry or Whitney Mercilus in the first. Everything else looks good though.

I am not impressed with Mercilus.....I see him being a Gholston type player on the NFL level.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

#176 Rishaw Johnson, OG, Cal (PA) 6-3 #310

Tues: Johnson looked powerful all day and was the best offensive linemen from the East. He handled everyone he lined-up against showing terrific power and blocking with outstanding fundamentals

Cal-Pennsylvania product, who started his college career at Mississippi, looked dominant all day. He's mechanically sound and athletic, and overpowered everyone that lined up against him. Defenders were stopped dead in their tracks once Johnson got his hands on them. The small-school lineman really elevated his stock in front of scouts.

Looks like one to keep an eye on. Great added feature on your mock, btw.

 

[DBOY3141]

Ingram, Perry or Brockers will be the pick at 14. I think they may view Brockers similiar to Smith last year. Upside is tremendous and I really think the JG and JJ view this as a 3 year process. 2012 starts year 2.

Brockers and Minnifield give us two sound building blocks for the future.

 

[garyv]

DBOY3141 would be happy with Brockers and Minnifield but I have asked in another thread with no response yet. But isin't Brockers similar to Marcus Spears when he came out ?

 

[jblaze2004]

DBOY3141 would be happy with Brockers and Minnifield but I have asked in another thread with no response yet. But isin't Brockers similar to Marcus Spears when he came out ?

interesting. I want to know this too. Big Bill almost drafted spears ahead of ware if jerry didn't step in (i guess he is good for something:laugh2: ).

 

[Oh_Canada]

DBOY3141 would be happy with Brockers and Minnifield but I have asked in another thread with no response yet. But isin't Brockers similar to Marcus Spears when he came out ?

From what I remember and now see with my own eyes Spears has always had the talent, but his motor tends to run in first gear from time to time....Brockers apparently has great work ethic and a desire to be great.

 

[DBOY3141]

DBOY3141 would be happy with Brockers and Minnifield but I have asked in another thread with no response yet. But isin't Brockers similar to Marcus Spears when he came out ?

I see Brockers having more pass rush ability and more heart. You can't teach heart.

Coples is this year's Spears. Talent but no drive.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

From what I remember and now see with my own eyes Spears has always had the talent, but his motor tends to run in first gear from time to time....Brockers apparently has great work ethic and a desire to be great.

The kid is really raw, however. If we take him it should be on the understanding that we can't expect much contribution from him his rookie season. He'll need some time to develop.

 

[jnday]

DBOY3141 would be happy with Brockers and Minnifield but I have asked in another thread with no response yet. But isin't Brockers similar to Marcus Spears when he came out ?

IIRC Spears was a better pass rusher in college . If Brockers had shown more pass rushing
ability , I could understand the fuss about him . I have watched several LSU games , and Brockers never came across as the pass rushing threat that Dallas needs .

 

[garyv]

If we don't take DeCastro than probably will go Defense. Unless we take a Cornerback if we go DL or OLB than they better have darn good Pass Rushing Skills because that's what we are lacking. I don't want to Draft a DE that's simply another stop the Run, hold his ground DL....I want someone who wrecks havic on the opposing QB......like a Charles Haley !!! otherwise we might as well stick Spears over there !!!

 

[jblaze2004]

From what I remember and now see with my own eyes Spears has always had the talent, but his motor tends to run in first gear from time to time....Brockers apparently has great work ethic and a desire to be great.

spears also has questionable work ethic. Remember big bill calling him chubby checkers n etc. Questionable work ethic and a poor motor is why spears didn't blossom into a passrushing threat.

 

[jnday]

If we don't take DeCastro than probably will go Defense. Unless we take a Cornerback if we go DL or OLB than they better have darn good Pass Rushing Skills because that's what we are lacking. I don't want to Draft a DE that's simply another stop the Run, hold his ground DL....I want someone who wrecks havic on the opposing QB......like a Charles Haley !!! otherwise we might as well stick Spears over there !!!

This is the point that so many of us are trying to make . There are no prospects at 14 that would be a big updrade over Spencer as a pass rusher .

 

[rooler]

This is the point that so many of us are trying to make . There are no prospects at 14 that would be a big updrade over Spencer as a pass rusher .

What so you don't Perry or Ingram are no better than Spencer ?

boy I do

 

[rooler]

Finally, ]South Carolina DT Travian Robertson has shown flashes all week of creating havoc behind the line of scrimmage. He possesses a good first step, can make himself small when shooting gaps and fight his way through contact. He also displays the ability to gain leverage and get his hands inside on contact when working the bull rush. However, he’s limited laterally, doesn’t use his hands well to shed when engaged and looks more like a one-gap type only who is worth a flyer late on day three

I really like this kid

 

[tm1119]

What so you don't Perry or Ingram are no better than Spencer ?

boy I do

Perry is a pure speed edge pass rusher. I question his ability to hold the edge and stay strong against the run. Unless hes adding bulk, I think he may get engulfed by a lot of RT's in the NFL when gong 1 on 1.

Ingram has the opposite problem. Hes pretty huge for the position at 275. I question his ability to play in space against NFL RB's and TE's. However, if he shows up at the combine 10lbs lighter and shows fluid hips and good agility I would definitely consider him.

People see Spencer's lack of sacks and automatically assume hes bad. There is a lot more to the position that just sacks. Spencer is great against the run and does a pretty good job covering the flat and dropping back. These things go very overlooked.

This is why Im an advocate of keeping Spencer and drafting a pass rushing specialist for obvious passing downs and late in games when we are up. If we can keep Spencer and get a McClellin/Irvin/Lindsay in the 3rd or 4th round I think it would definitely improve our D.

 

[jnday]

Perry is a pure speed edge pass rusher. I question his ability to hold the edge and stay strong against the run. Unless hes adding bulk, I think he may get engulfed by a lot of RT's in the NFL when gong 1 on 1.

Ingram has the opposite problem. Hes pretty huge for the position at 275. I question his ability to play in space against NFL RB's and TE's. However, if he shows up at the combine 10lbs lighter and shows fluid hips and good agility I would definitely consider him.

People see Spencer's lack of sacks and automatically assume hes bad. There is a lot more to the position that just sacks. Spencer is great against the run and does a pretty good job covering the flat and dropping back. These things go very overlooked.

This is why Im an advocate of keeping Spencer and drafting a pass rushing specialist for obvious passing downs and late in games when we are up. If we can keep Spencer and get a McClellin/Irvin/Lindsay in the 3rd or 4th round I think it would definitely improve our D.

Thanks for answering that . You worded it better than I could have .

 

[rooler]

oh I like Specner - I not near tha hater as most people

but Lindsay has a bad week at the shine bowl not a big fan of Lindsay

and if we can get a good pass rusher then I think we have to take him

even Kiper has Ingram going at 12 to the Seahawks

he might be DE in a 4-3

but I have him loose like 15 lbs I take him

well have to wait an see