Japanese breakthrough in wind power

[jnday]

Difference is they have the go ahead to drill off the coast of Cuba by the Cuban Government, we would not have the permission to drill off the coast of China.

We do have the ability to get permission to drill off the coast of Florida just not the will

The way I look at is that if Florida and California don't want drilling off their coast , then they should pay much more for gas or not be able to use gas from the rest of the US . They are not doing their share in helping with the energy problem and their population uses more than most states .

 

[jobberone]

The way I look at is that if Florida and California don't want drilling off their coast , then they should pay much more for gas or not be able to use gas from the rest of the US . They are not doing their share in helping with the energy problem and their population uses more than most states .

Can't speak about CA but FL has had damage due to drilling so they are trying to be careful which is ok.

I'm all for alternative energy but it should be explored by the private sector and will happen when it is more economically feasible.

We should be moving more towards natural gas and get away from foreign oil. We could be energy independent in a generation or two.

 

[Doomsday101]

Can't speak about CA but FL has had damage due to drilling so they are trying to be careful which is ok.

I'm all for alternative energy but it should be explored by the private sector and will happen when it is more economically feasible.

We should be moving more towards natural gas and get away from foreign oil. We could be energy independent in a generation or two.

America is sitting on top of a super massive 200 billion barrel Oil Field that could potentially make America Energy Independent and until now has largely gone unnoticed. Thanks to new technology the Bakken Formation in North Dakota could boost America’s Oil reserves by an incredible 10 times, giving western economies the trump card against OPEC’s short squeeze on oil supply and making Iranian and Venezuelan threats of disrupted supply irrelevant.

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html

This is just 1 find and there are others as large as this one in the US.

Time to drill and get away from OPEC. Between the US and Canada (our largest supplier of oil) we could be energy independent.

All of this talk of drilling not lowering the prices is also bunk, if that was the case then at times when we have had to open the strategic supply we would not have seen the prices dropped and or stabilized. Fact is drilling and bringing in massive amounts of oil will lower prices and it will make us independent as we were in the past. People in this country have been buffaloed to long

 

[YosemiteSam]

America is sitting on top of a super massive 200 billion barrel Oil Field that could potentially make America Energy Independent and until now has largely gone unnoticed. Thanks to new technology the Bakken Formation in North Dakota could boost America’s Oil reserves by an incredible 10 times, giving western economies the trump card against OPEC’s short squeeze on oil supply and making Iranian and Venezuelan threats of disrupted supply irrelevant.

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html

This is just 1 find and there are others as large as this one in the US.

Time to drill and get away from OPEC. Between the US and Canada (our largest supplier of oil) we could be energy independent.

All of this talk of drilling not lowering the prices is also bunk, if that was the case then at times when we have had to open the strategic supply we would not have seen the prices dropped and or stabilized. Fact is drilling and bringing in massive amounts of oil will lower prices and it will make us independent as we were in the past. People in this country have been buffaloed to long

The US consumes I believe a 1/3 (20M barrels a day) of all oil consumed around the world. More than twice as much as China (second highest consumption) OPEC would freaking hate that. :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

The US consumes I believe a 1/3 (20M barrels a day) of all oil consumed around the world. OPEC would freaking hate that. :laugh2:

OPEC has been doing us for a long time. Again prices are controlled by supply as well as demand. This is why the US goes hat in hand to the Saudi and asks that the supply be increased; when they do it prices go down. Imagine that.

So when I hear people holler that drilling will not affect our prices you almost have to laugh at them. Of course an increase on the supply side will have a big effect on price.

 

[trickblue]

OPEC has been doing us for a long time. Again prices are controlled by supply as well as demand. This is why the US goes hat in hand to the Saudi and asks that the supply be increased; when they do it prices go down. Imagine that.

So when I hear people holler that drilling will not affect our prices you almost have to laugh at them. Of course an increase on the supply side will have a big effect on price.

First of all, without getting political, you know good and well the likelihood of us every tapping that supply to it's potential are slim to none...

Second, the government will never allow gas to get too low. They tax us around 37 cents a gallon. They may let prices fall a couple of bucks if we were to use that supply, but I guarantee they will at least double the tax per gallon. Feed the troll...

 

[Doomsday101]

First of all, without getting political, you know good and well the likelihood of us every tapping that supply to it's potential are slim to none...

Second, the government will never allow gas to get too low. They tax us around 37 cents a gallon. They may let prices fall a couple of bucks if we were to use that supply, but I guarantee they will at least double the tax per gallon. Feed the troll...

As things stand now your right, I also know that things can change. As conditions in the middle east continue to fall apart and as consumers get fed up with high prices I think those in charge will be put in a position to do what has to be done. Personally I think there is a growing movement for a big change in domestic drilling.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Yes, the US has an amazing amount of natural gas...which is a fairly clean fuel. Don't be surprised if more compressed natural gas service stations pop up and more new cars have that option for fuel.

It's too bad this isn't more popular than it is. There are map sites out there where you can find CNG stations, and there just aren't that many across the country. One of the highest concentrations is actually in Oklahoma City, where companies like Devon and Chesapeake are located. There you could recently fill up for the equivalent of 89 cents a gallon. I've noticed at a couple of stations that it's recently gone up as "high" as 1.69 a gallon, but that's obviously still well below gas. And CNG engines can go in existing car bodies (only need the added CNG tank), drive similarly, get very good mileage, and burn cleaner so engines can last longer.

Not sure why it isn't more widespread, at least in larger cities for commuting cars. Maybe soon it will be. Probably just depends on how high gasoline stays.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think the solution to wind power is to use it in limited areas. For instance instead of trying to tackle the idea of a huge wind farm to handle the power of a huge city, state wide or nationwide. Make smaller wind farms or wind mills for smaller areas.

I think if a small community banded together for a small wind farm and also some solar energy, they would could make it work for the small community.

As is some people who have had solar panels and or windmills get money paid back to them from the energy companies because what the people do not use personally goes to the energy companies. So if that works for an individual than it could be slightly expanded to a small community willing to work together. Again it would have to be a smaller community instead of a widespread area.

In that they could have small communities doing that over a wider area.

Natural gas is a good solution as we have it in abundance. They just have to do a better job of regulating the quality of the companies that drill for it so it does not pollute the surrounding water tables and other things. This has been a problem and it is not because of the gas itself but because of methods used to drill and the products being used to drill and companies not doing a good enough job of policing themselves to prevent these problems.

Nuclear is the most viable. The problem becomes what do you do with the waste. Many states do not want the waste put into their state and I am not sure it should be forced to be housed in a state that does not want it.

Oil is not a good solution at all as a future at this point. I hear people talking about the pipeline from canada that would run through the US...like that oil was going to be used for the US. People complain about not being able to drill off coast or in areas on land in the US and saying it would help us a great deal. Well that is not really true. We consume more than we could ever produce.

Secondly I guarantee you that if you went to all of the oil drilling companies and said...You can drill here here and here but ALL oil drilled within the US or off the coast of the US could only be used for the US and not sold to other countries...they would balk. Why? Because a great deal of that oil would be exported instead of kept in the US. The Pipeline that everyone is talking about was not for the US and Canada but is/was planned to be sent to Europe and Latin America.

Oil companies are not in the business to do what is best for America, they are in business to do what is best for their bottom line and they can get more money exporting the oil/refined to other countries.

So the idea that drill more in the US is the cure to helping the US get more oil for itself is not really true since most of it will be sold overseas.

If we want a future where we are not dependent on foreign lands for our energy needs we need to look toward natural gas, wind power, solar power and nuclear energy. Those we can control at home. Oil is not the solution and has been the problem for many many years now.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the solution to wind power is to use it in limited areas. For instance instead of trying to tackle the idea of a huge wind farm to handle the power of a huge city, state wide or nationwide. Make smaller wind farms or wind mills for smaller areas.

I think if a small community banded together for a small wind farm and also some solar energy, they would could make it work for the small community.

As is some people who have had solar panels and or windmills get money paid back to them from the energy companies because what the people do not use personally goes to the energy companies. So if that works for an individual than it could be slightly expanded to a small community willing to work together. Again it would have to be a smaller community instead of a widespread area.

In that they could have small communities doing that over a wider area.

Natural gas is a good solution as we have it in abundance. They just have to do a better job of regulating the quality of the companies that drill for it so it does not pollute the surrounding water tables and other things. This has been a problem and it is not because of the gas itself but because of methods used to drill and the products being used to drill and companies not doing a good enough job of policing themselves to prevent these problems.

Nuclear is the most viable. The problem becomes what do you do with the waste. Many states do not want the waste put into their state and I am not sure it should be forced to be housed in a state that does not want it.

Oil is not a good solution at all as a future at this point. I hear people talking about the pipeline from canada that would run through the US...like that oil was going to be used for the US. People complain about not being able to drill off coast or in areas on land in the US and saying it would help us a great deal. Well that is not really true. We consume more than we could ever produce.

Secondly I guarantee you that if you went to all of the oil drilling companies and said...You can drill here here and here but ALL oil drilled within the US or off the coast of the US could only be used for the US and not sold to other countries...they would balk. Why? Because a great deal of that oil would be exported instead of kept in the US. The Pipeline that everyone is talking about was not for the US and Canada but is/was planned to be sent to Europe and Latin America.

Oil companies are not in the business to do what is best for America, they are in business to do what is best for their bottom line and they can get more money exporting the oil/refined to other countries.

So the idea that drill more in the US is the cure to helping the US get more oil for itself is not really true since most of it will be sold overseas.

If we want a future where we are not dependent on foreign lands for our energy needs we need to look toward natural gas, wind power, solar power and nuclear energy. Those we can control at home. Oil is not the solution and has been the problem for many many years now.

who said they were in business to do what is best for the US, they are in business to make money like any other company but it does not change the fact that all that stand in the way is the go ahead and permits to do the job.

Oil is the solution now until something else becomes more practical. Fact is wind is a losing proposition when you factor in the only way they can even make money is by being subsidized it is not self sufficient same with Solar these companies can even stay afloat unless the tax payers keep them above water. Nuclear I agree is something we need to continue and allow the building of new plants.

All of these different sources are worth investing in but the world does not stop turning. We can continue to export or we can drill where there are some of the world’s largest deposits right here in the US.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

who said they were in business to do what is best for the US, they are in business to make money like any other company but it does not change the fact that all that stand in the way is the go ahead and permits to do the job.

Oil is the solution now until something else becomes more practical. Fact is wind is a losing proposition when you factor in the only way they can even make money is by being subsidized it is not self sufficient same with Solar these companies can even stay afloat unless the tax payers keep them above water. Nuclear I agree is something we need to continue and allow the building of new plants.

All of these different sources are worth investing in but the world does not stop turning. We can continue to export or we can drill where there are some of the world’s largest deposits right here in the US.

Again my main point about oil is that if we opened even more areas, that oil that is taken might get refined in the US but the majority of it is sold off overseas and not kept in the USA so it does not help us. Most people think that the oil taken from here stays here and that is simply not true.

The oil companies will sell it to the best bidder and that is the point I was making that they are not in business to do what is best for the US but to do what is best for themselves.

So people complain that we should not have to depend on foreign oil. We should drill for more oil in our own lands and use that oil instead of buying it from foreign lands. However the truth is the oil that is taken from our own lands will be sold off to other foreign lands and we are still stuck buying the vast majority of our oil from other countries. So how is drilling more oil from our own country and selling it off to other countries helping us ween ourselves off of foreign oil? It doesn't but it sure is a nice way to try and get people on the side of the oil companies to drill more and open more areas in the US.

Again...you get the oil companies to guarantee that all oil drilled within the US will stay in the USA and not sell it off to other countries and I would fine with it but how much you willing to bet they would go along with that idea...if you are a smart man you would not make the bet because you know you would lose that bet.

It is just sad the number of people out there that actually think that oil would stay in the USA and that the oil companies would not sell it off to other countries.

That is why I like the other options out there. You can not send off wind power, you can sent off solar power and you can not send off Nuclear power...I guess you could send off the natural gas so that would be something to consider.

However we need something that stays in the USA for the USA.

 

[rkell87]

The US consumes I believe a 1/3 (20M barrels a day) of all oil consumed around the world. More than twice as much as China (second highest consumption) OPEC would freaking hate that. :laugh2:

so we would only last 27 years at that rate

 

[Doomsday101]

Again my main point about oil is that if we opened even more areas, that oil that is taken might get refined in the US but the majority of it is sold off overseas and not kept in the USA so it does not help us. Most people think that the oil taken from here stays here and that is simply not true.

The oil companies will sell it to the best bidder and that is the point I was making that they are not in business to do what is best for the US but to do what is best for themselves.

So people complain that we should not have to depend on foreign oil. We should drill for more oil in our own lands and use that oil instead of buying it from foreign lands. However the truth is the oil that is taken from our own lands will be sold off to other foreign lands and we are still stuck buying the vast majority of our oil from other countries. So how is drilling more oil from our own country and selling it off to other countries helping us ween ourselves off of foreign oil? It doesn't but it sure is a nice way to try and get people on the side of the oil companies to drill more and open more areas in the US.

Again...you get the oil companies to guarantee that all oil drilled within the US will stay in the USA and not sell it off to other countries and I would fine with it but how much you willing to bet they would go along with that idea...if you are a smart man you would not make the bet because you know you would lose that bet.

It is just sad the number of people out there that actually think that oil would stay in the USA and that the oil companies would not sell it off to other countries.

That is why I like the other options out there. You can not send off wind power, you can sent off solar power and you can not send off Nuclear power...I guess you could send off the natural gas so that would be something to consider.

However we need something that stays in the USA for the USA.

Problem with wind and solar is it is not profitable; the only way these companies can even stay in business is by the tax payers. This is nothing new the Dutch are dealing with this it cost the Government (Tax Payer) so much to keep this business running. I know now days the word Profit is evil to some people but that is how a business survives by being profitable.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Again my main point about oil is that if we opened even more areas, that oil that is taken might get refined in the US but the majority of it is sold off overseas and not kept in the USA so it does not help us. Most people think that the oil taken from here stays here and that is simply not true.

The oil companies will sell it to the best bidder and that is the point I was making that they are not in business to do what is best for the US but to do what is best for themselves.

So people complain that we should not have to depend on foreign oil. We should drill for more oil in our own lands and use that oil instead of buying it from foreign lands. However the truth is the oil that is taken from our own lands will be sold off to other foreign lands and we are still stuck buying the vast majority of our oil from other countries. So how is drilling more oil from our own country and selling it off to other countries helping us ween ourselves off of foreign oil? It doesn't but it sure is a nice way to try and get people on the side of the oil companies to drill more and open more areas in the US.

Again...you get the oil companies to guarantee that all oil drilled within the US will stay in the USA and not sell it off to other countries and I would fine with it but how much you willing to bet they would go along with that idea...if you are a smart man you would not make the bet because you know you would lose that bet.

It is just sad the number of people out there that actually think that oil would stay in the USA and that the oil companies would not sell it off to other countries.

That is why I like the other options out there. You can not send off wind power, you can sent off solar power and you can not send off Nuclear power...I guess you could send off the natural gas so that would be something to consider.

However we need something that stays in the USA for the USA.

Good post.

 

[Hoofbite]

Energy problems solved.

Have Hos send weekly shipments of chili to Brain and he can fart up some F3 force winds to keep the turbine going at top speed.

 

[CliffnDallas]

I was expecting a photo of Godzilla holding a giant can of beans...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Energy problems solved.

Have Hos send weekly shipments of chili to Brain and he can fart up some F3 force winds to keep the turbine going at top speed.

Well we would have plenty of wind from that idea, problem is it would all be toxic and pretty much wipe out everybody. :