Jason Garrett getting credit for better drafting

[TheSport78]

I'm not denying that the Cowboys' drafts haven't improved since Garrett took over full time as head coach, but I feel that more credit should be given to guys like Will McClay.

I strongly suspect that Gavin Escobar was a complete Garrett pick, because he didn't get Floyd in the first round. We all remember how disappointed Garrett looked in the war room. Well, Escobar has been a huge disappointment thus far, and he'll probably turn out to be a poor man's Anthony Fasano.

We're also talking about the coach who said Marion Barber III was an every-down back. Look, I'm not saying Garrett doesn't have an eye for talent, but I don't believe he has this unheralded ability to draft. As long as we keep important personnel guys like Will McClay, I doubt we would see a drop-off if Garrett is relieved of his duties at the end of the year. Agree or disagree?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't think much of anything changed when Garrett got the job. I think that's one reason Jerry wanted him for years, because he didn't want someone who would upset the apple cart when it comes to personnel. Ciskowski does a pretty good job and has gradually improved things.

 

[perrykemp]

I'm always puzzled when I see JG credited for drafting. I thought the draft was mainly the purview of the front-office.

I give him credit for developing the young talent better than his predecessors going back quite a ways.

 

[Proximo]

Of course he deserves some credit for the drafting. It's clear that the HC in Dallas has a signicant impact on the drafting during their stay. Look at how we drafted when Parcells was HC vs Wade, vs Garrett.

So yes, Garrett does deserve some amount of credit for the improved drafting that's occurred since he became HC. You seem to have no problem bashing him for the Escobar pick (which is entirely premautre anyway), so give him his credit where it's due.

 

[RS12]

Jason Garrett getting credit for better drafting...

Does he get credit for the Claiborne trade?

 

[visionary]

Does he get credit for the Claiborne trade?

Yeah, I would like to know who gets credit for drafting the best CB since Deion

Never saw anyone get so much credit for doing so little

They don't call him 'Teflon Garrett' for nothing

 

[03EBZ06]

Unless you are in the organization, in the draft process, no one here knows a damn thing about who should get the credit, but why it is so important who gets credit, just be happy that they have drafted better lately...all this is just a wild *** guess, nothing more.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm always puzzled when I see JG credited for drafting. I thought the draft was mainly the purview of the front-office.

I give him credit for developing the young talent better than his predecessors going back quite a ways.

Fans have to come up with some sort of palatable reality with this team.

The 2011 draft had Tyron. That looks good. Bruce Carter has taken a step back this year. DeMarco Murray looks like a guy the team wants to upgrade from. He's probably not resigning with the Cowboys. The only other player worth note in the remaining 5 picks was Dwayne Harris. A nice returner and situational spot WR. I think it's still a very questionable draft class. Especially if Carter doesn't rebound.

The 2012 draft was an abortion. One of the worst of the Jerry era. It followed a terribly wasteful FA season too. The resources we wasted that year were criminal and should have gotten the whole lot of them fired.

The 2013 draft looks solid so far. But we're not even one year in. Let's see how it looks this time next year.

This notion that we're now some shrewd drafting team is laughable. Almost as funny as the notion that Jason Garrett is deciding draft picks. He wouldn't have the gig if he demanded that much power. Follow the strings on his arm to find the real decision maker.

 

[jobberone]

He gets some of the credit. My guess is he gets a vote in saying we don't want a player like that here, I want a player at position X, Y and Z if at all possible, and contributes to the board ranking in a major way. I won't guess as to the % he contributes. His influence on the draft looks tangible to me but maybe I'm reading something in that's not there. Hard to imagine a HC with no say in the draft at all and equally one that has a huge influence these days. Maybe Shanahan and one or two more I can't think of right now.

 

[dupree89]

Fans have to come up with some sort of palatable reality with this team.

The 2011 draft had Tyron. That looks good. Bruce Carter has taken a step back this year. DeMarco Murray looks like a guy the team wants to upgrade from. He's probably not resigning with the Cowboys. The only other player worth note in the remaining 5 picks was Dwayne Harris. A nice returner and situational spot WR. I think it's still a very questionable draft class. Especially if Carter doesn't rebound.

The 2012 draft was an abortion. One of the worst of the Jerry era. It followed a terribly wasteful FA season too. The resources we wasted that year were criminal and should have gotten the whole lot of them fired.

The 2013 draft looks solid so far. But we're not even one year in. Let's see how it looks this time next year.

This notion that we're now some shrewd drafting team is laughable. Almost as funny as the notion that Jason Garrett is deciding draft picks. He wouldn't have the gig if he demanded that much power. Follow the strings on his arm to find the real decision maker.

now here's a man that knows football. And knows his football team. "Risen Star" gets an ATTA BOY.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It's moronic to judge Escobar at this point while he's playing behind Witten. Just plain stupid.

 

[jobberone]

2011 Draft[edit]
RoundPick #OverallNamePositionCollege
1 9 9 Tyron Smith Offensive Tackle USC
2 8 40 Bruce Carter Linebacker North Carolina
3 7 71 DeMarco Murray Running Back Oklahoma
4 13 110 David Arkin Guard Missouri State
5 12 143 Josh Thomas CornerbackBuffalo
6 11 176 Dwayne Harris Wide Receiver East Carolina
7 17 220 Shaun Chapas Fullback Georgia
7 49 252 Bill Nagy Center Wisconsin
2012 Draft[edit]
RoundPick #OverallNamePositionCollege
166Morris ClaiborneCornerbackLouisiana State
31881Tyrone CrawfordDefensive EndBoise State
418113Kyle WilberLinebackerWake Forest
440135Matt JohnsonSafetyEastern Washington
517152Danny CoaleWide ReceiverVirginia Tech
616186James HannaTight EndOklahoma
715222Caleb McSurdyLinebackerMontana
2013 Draft[edit]
RoundPick #OverallNamePositionCollege
13131Travis FrederickCenterWisconsin
21547Gavin EscobarTight EndSan Diego State
31274Terrance WilliamsWide ReceiverBaylor
31880J.J. WilcoxSafetyGeorgia Southern
417114B. W. WebbCornerbackWilliam & Mary
518151Joseph RandleRunning BackOklahoma State
617185DeVonte HollomanLinebackerSouth Carolina

I bolded the contributors some of which will do so long term. I put in italics the players still being evaluated. I realize the 13 draft is early but they all are still under evaluation although 11 less so after this year is over.

All three of our last #1s are working out good to well. I'm not going to speak on trades yada or value per pick. Just are they on the team and contributing in a meaningful way.

1/2 of the 11 draft is contributing big time.
3/7s of the 12 draft is and I'd put Crawford on the successful list despite his being on IR.
6/7s of the 13 draft is contributing and all are on the team which is remarkable these days. Baring injury all of those guys should be contributors the length of their contract. Fred, Williams, Wilcox, and Randle will likely be long term IMO and Webb may be. I suspect Holloman will get more snaps over the next three and 1/2 years.

I think that is very good drafting and way better than we've seen in awhile looking at all three drafts. I realize, again, that all three are somewhat premature.

 

[TheSport78]

It's moronic to judge Escobar at this point while he's playing behind Witten. Just plain stupid.

I think it's even more moronic to draft a tight end in the 2nd round when he'll be playing behind a future HOFer, and by the time Escobar's contract is up, we won't truly know what he can do. They gave us the same BS about the 12 personnel and we hardly use it.

 

[mmohican29]

I think it's even more moronic to draft a tight end in the 2nd round when he'll be playing behind a future HOFer, and by the time Escobar's contract is up, we won't truly know what he can do. They gave us the same BS about the 12 personnel and we hardly use it.

Oh come on now, surely a Princeton grad and vet OC would know better than to let his GM do something so insanely stupid without putting his 2 cents in... right?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I think it's even more moronic to draft a tight end in the 2nd round when he'll be playing behind a future HOFer, and by the time Escobar's contract is up, we won't truly know what he can do. They gave us the same BS about the 12 personnel and we hardly use it.

Credit the Emergence of Terrance Williams for that. I don't think anyone thought he'd be up to speed this quickly.

Should we be upset that well laid plans were scrapped when a better option emerged? Sounds like good coaching to me.

You'd be hear having an apoplectic fit if the Cowboys were keeping Williams on the sideline to run more 12 personnel out there.

I for one am patiently waiting for Miles to hopefully get healthy.

Dreaming of Miles in the Slot and Dez and Twill split wide. With Witten doing what he does in the middle of the field.

 

[Corso]

Credit the Emergence of Terrance Williams for that. I don't think anyone thought he'd be up to speed this quickly.

Should we be upset that well laid plans were scrapped when a better option emerged? Sounds like good coaching to me.

You'd be hear having an apoplectic fit if the Cowboys were keeping Williams on the sideline to run more 12 personnel out there.

I for one am patiently waiting for Miles to hopefully get healthy.

Dreaming of Miles in the Slot and Dez and Twill split wide. With Witten doing what he does in the middle of the field.

You speak the truth.

Escobar will get his time- I'm thinking the season after next when the fan-base is coming after him with torches and pitchforks like he's Frankenstein's Monster.

Then the "Feast of Crow" shall commence.

We could make it a national Holiday.

"The Feast of Crow"

Where all must pay penance...

 

[TheSport78]

Credit the Emergence of Terrance Williams for that. I don't think anyone thought he'd be up to speed this quickly.

Should we be upset that well laid plans were scrapped when a better option emerged? Sounds like good coaching to me.

You'd be hear having an apoplectic fit if the Cowboys were keeping Williams on the sideline to run more 12 personnel out there.

I for one am patiently waiting for Miles to hopefully get healthy.

Dreaming of Miles in the Slot and Dez and Twill split wide. With Witten doing what he does in the middle of the field.

Good points, but if used correctly, I'd honestly rather have Beasley over Austin in the slot.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Seriously, I don't know how anyone who watched the last live draft war room video can say Garrett was in charge. He did absolutely nothing but talk to JJ's daughter most of the time. I'm not joking. He had no input the day of the draft. Now, there is a chance he was instrumental in putting the board together. But, none of us know the answer to that. I highly doubt Garrett had great input in the making of the draft board.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Good points, but if used correctly, I'd honestly rather have Beasley over Austin in the slot.

I wouldn't. I think this team's frustration with Miles' inability to stay healthy has clouded our judgement...but Miles is objectively a much better player when healthy and it isn't really close.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I think Miles is pretty much done.