Jason Garrett is least of cowboys problems

[dupree89]

Wade says "what the hell".................................2 division titles and a playoff victory in 3.5 seasons before being fired................Where was the 5 yr plan for Wade?


Yet Jason "I cant beat anybody over 500" Garrett gets 5 yrs.....................HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA......................Hypocrisy at its finest.

Great post. There really is an awful lot of loyalty to Garrett- even though he has accomplished very little. Anyway, your post hit the nail on the head.

 

[OhSnap]

JG's inability to maximize his weapons in this offense is only a piece of a much larger problem. It's inexcusable that he can't figure out a way to put Dez in motion and give him a chance to beat the double team in a game he knows he needs to score and score often if he has any chance to win, especially with this defense. He's not building this team in any way, shape or form and add to that he's been a horrible game day coach for reasons that have been mentioned on this board for years. I don't see the need to give him 2 more years as the HC of this team when he's shown nothing to warrant it.

I'd would like to see what he can do with a more healthy roster than he's had. For me he get's another year unless he loses the team in the locker room this year.

 

[T-RO]

On the contrary, I believe most experts would agree with me, this is a mediocre team and does not have mediocre talent, you can say that about Tampa Bay or Tennesse but not about the Cowboys.
We obviously don't have the best talent but please tell me we aren't on par with teams like the Chiefs, Panthers, Giants, Commanders, Bears, Lions, Bengals, Colts, Texans, Falcons etc.. Those teams have done better than us this past few years (including 2013). Talent may not be the best but it is not an excuse to be a constabt mediocre team.

And about elite QB's, what do you think about Alex Smith? Jay Cuter? Matt Schaub? Andy Dalton? Are they Better than Romo? NO, but they've had better coaching around them and that's why they've been more succesfull lately. IMO Romo should be the least of our concerns although I admit he could and should be playing better.

--Alex Smith is a bus driver who understands the game. And you can be a bus driver when your team's defense is top-of-the-league, permitting little more than 10 points a game. Put him on the cowboys and he'd be 4-6...or worse.

--Cutler has an elite arm but is erratic with his decision making. Not sure what your point is with him.

--Matt Schaub has single-handedly destroyed the season of a very talented Texans team. I have absolutely zero idea why you'd invoke his name in this discussion.

--Dalton? He's young and developing and plays under the radar for one of the league's most obscure teams. He also is privileged to play with one of the better defenses. As far as raw talent I'd suggest he probably has more at this point than a rapidly aging Tony Romo. Romo's talent has taken a 30% hit over the past few seasons.

 

[OhSnap]

Wade says "what the hell".................................2 division titles and a playoff victory in 3.5 seasons before being fired................Where was the 5 yr plan for Wade?


Yet Jason "I cant beat anybody over 500" Garrett gets 5 yrs.....................HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA......................Hypocrisy at its finest.

Where does anything I've posted say Garrett get's 5 years? And if you had any doubts that Wade had lost his team just look at Garretts 5-3 record with the same roster that Wade got a 1-7 record out of. And Wade wasn't rebuilding the roster either, it was set when he stepped in. Wade was hired for his knowledge of the 3-4 and the success he was having in San Diego running it but that success didn't come with him.

 

[Coy]

--Alex Smith is a bus driver who understands the game. And you can be a bus driver when your team's defense is top-of-the-league, permitting little more than 10 points a game. Put him on the cowboys and he'd be 4-6...or worse.

--Cutler has an elite arm but is erratic with his decision making. Not sure what your point is with him.

--Matt Schaub has single-handedly destroyed the season of a very talented Texans team. I have absolutely zero idea why you'd invoke his name in this discussion.

--Dalton? He's young and developing and plays under the radar for one of the league's most obscure teams. He also is privileged to play with one of the better defenses. As far as raw talent I'd suggest he probably has more at this point than a rapidly aging Tony Romo. Romo's talent has taken a 30% hit over the past few seasons.

My point is all this average QB's have had more success than Romo with similar talent around them, the difference being coaching, it all comes back to that. Garrett is awful. I think we are discussing two different things.
All I have to say is that this team has had enough talent this past 3 years or so to win some games in January and they haven't done it, I blame it on coaching not on talent and certainly not on Romo.

 

[T-RO]

We have had a anemic RB play, the worst safeties in the league, and the NFL's worst depth bar none. Meanwhile we have been insipidly weak in the trenches for years now...on both sides of the ball. I'm sorry but you have no point at all when trying to pump sunshine on our talent. It's a complete no-show.

And then in the past few seasons Witten has faded markedly. Ware has been crippled almost every game. And Romo is a shadow of his former self.

I'm trying to be nice, but you are losing this discussion at every turn.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Where does anything I've posted say Garrett get's 5 years? And if you had any doubts that Wade had lost his team just look at Garretts 5-3 record with the same roster that Wade got a 1-7 record out of. And Wade wasn't rebuilding the roster either, it was set when he stepped in. Wade was hired for his knowledge of the 3-4 and the success he was having in San Diego running it but that success didn't come with him.

You said being patient with Garrett means he gets 5 yrs. As for as the rest of your post abou the quality of the roster Garrett took over.

You mean that same roster that won a playoff game the year before?

And Opie was the co-pilot when this 747 crashed and burned so dont act like he just showed up out of the blue. Also, putting that 1-7 record on Wade is bogus. In the game against the Skins, we lost by 6 points. Garrett's offense fumbled the ball and it was returned for a TD with no time left going into the half. There was also a winning TD pass by Romo that was nullified by a hold by Alex Barron.......................the offense scored 7 points that game and we lost by 6............and you are putting that on Wade?

And if the team bought into Garrett's program with an impressive 5-3 record.................where has that been since? Garrett has lost to virtually every team with a winning record since then. I guess the players no longer believe in him anymore then.

 

[OhSnap]

You said being patient with Garrett means he gets 5 yrs. As for as the rest of your post abou the quality of the roster Garrett took over.

You mean that same roster that won a playoff game the year before?

And Opie was the co-pilot when this 747 crashed and burned so dont act like he just showed up out of the blue. Also, putting that 1-7 record on Wade is bogus. In the game against the Skins, we lost by 6 points. Garrett's offense fumbled the ball and it was returned for a TD with no time left going into the half. There was also a winning TD pass by Romo that was nullified by a hold by Alex Barron.......................the offense scored 7 points that game and we lost by 6............and you are putting that on Wade?

And if the team bought into Garrett's program with an impressive 5-3 record.................where has that been since? Garrett has lost to virtually every team with a winning record since then. I guess the players no longer believe in him anymore then.

I SIMPLY made the point that writing off Garrett at this point with this team is IMPATIENT. NEVER said he get's five years.

I think most people saw a team that played harder after Wade was gone than they did the first 8 games. Calling it "Garretts offense" when Hall forced a fumble and recovered it is another weak attempt to blame something on JG. The REAL REASON 2010 was a failure is that there was no depth behind the O-line when guys started breaking down, it's the same reason they crashed in Minnesota the year before. But it's an undeniable fact that the team had a better record after the coaching change. Your trying to blame the team failing under Wade on JG when the main problem was the quality of the roster had dropped due to so many misses in the draft.

This team has played their ***** off for JG but they aint been able to defend the middle of the field in YEARS under him or Wade. You wanna know why they're .500 look at the roster. Let Garrett help with the draft another year and if he can't crack the .500 mark in 2014 switch coaches then and you MIGHT get that spark that the 49ers got or the Cheifs got when they changed coaches.

 

[Ren]

Rob Ryan was playing guys off the street at the end of last year and yet his unit full of scrubs were expected to ball week in and week out. When the scrubs never got interceptions or fumbles, Ryan was fired because the defense did not create turnovers.

So fair is fair..........Garrett is being held to the same standard Rob Ryan was. Injuries will not be an excuse for non performance. So I really dont give a dam if Garrett cant win with Heath at safety.........he should have thought about that before he fired Ryan last year. No pass for injuries for him so no pass for injuries for Opie.

Win the East or you are gone................no debate...........no discussion...............thats the way it is.............no excuses.

And what did it fix? was Ryan the problem?

 

[kramskoi]

I SIMPLY made the point that writing off Garrett at this point with this team is IMPATIENT. NEVER said he get's five years.

I think most people saw a team that played harder after Wade was gone than they did the first 8 games. Calling it "Garretts offense" when Hall forced a fumble and recovered it is another weak attempt to blame something on JG. The REAL REASON 2010 was a failure is that there was no depth behind the O-line when guys started breaking down, it's the same reason they crashed in Minnesota the year before. But it's an undeniable fact that the team had a better record after the coaching change. Your trying to blame the team failing under Wade on JG when the main problem was the quality of the roster had dropped due to so many misses in the draft.

This team has played their ***** off for JG but they aint been able to defend the middle of the field in YEARS under him or Wade. You wanna know why they're .500 look at the roster. Let Garrett help with the draft another year and if he can't crack the .500 mark in 2014 switch coaches then and you MIGHT get that spark that the 49ers got or the Cheifs got when they changed coaches.

He needs more than one year...I would say two or three. The depth issues are too serious and he can't count on a horrible NFC East next year for wins against teams .500 or less. Merely cracking .500 is a rather poor performance metric after what will be nearly 5 years at the helm. He needs playoffs and playoff wins. Personally, I would keep him with the caveat that his offense is completely dismantled and a new one installed...and not by him.

 

[popp1234]

Who knows? Is he going to bring anyone worse? 8-8 is a curse. Not good enough for the playoffs, not bad enough to score top end talent from the draft.

Preach!

 

[Coy]

We have had a anemic RB play, the worst safeties in the league, and the NFL's worst depth bar none. Meanwhile we have been insipidly weak in the trenches for years now...on both sides of the ball. I'm sorry but you have no point at all when trying to pump sunshine on our talent. It's a complete no-show.

And then in the past few seasons Witten has faded markedly. Ware has been crippled almost every game. And Romo is a shadow of his former self.

I'm trying to be nice, but you are losing this discussion at every turn.

Keep cheering yourself up thinking Garrett is the next Landry, in about two months you'll see your boy looking for a rb coaching position in the CFL haha and believe me I wish I'm wrong and we do something in January but I just don't see it, Garrett is simply put an awful coach.

 

[OhSnap]

He needs more than one year...I would say two or three. The depth issues are too serious and he can't count on a horrible NFC East next year for wins against teams .500 or less. Merely cracking .500 is a rather poor performance metric after what will be nearly 5 years at the helm. He needs playoffs and playoff wins. Personally, I would keep him with the caveat that his offense is completely dismantled and a new one installed...and not by him.

I agree. He really needs more than one year. The roster needs two more offseasons of restocking and weeding out no matter who the coach is to be able to win 2 playoff games in one season. As for the offense I hope they come back after the bye and turn Romo loose like they did last year. They're just outsmarting themselves with this new crap. At this point I think Romo has a better idea of what to do once the game starts than anyone on the team.

 

[Coy]

Uh no it hasn't the roster didn't start getting churned till 011.

Garrett has been the OC for 7 years now, having input in offensive personel desicions along the way, if our roster isn't what we've hoped for he has his share of blame.

 

[Dodger12]

He needs more than one year...I would say two or three. The depth issues are too serious and he can't count on a horrible NFC East next year for wins against teams .500 or less. Merely cracking .500 is a rather poor performance metric after what will be nearly 5 years at the helm. He needs playoffs and playoff wins. Personally, I would keep him with the caveat that his offense is completely dismantled and a new one installed...and not by him.

I just don't understand some of the logic here. If you dismantle his offense, then why keep him around? What value would he bring? And you just neutered your HC yet again for the whole team to see. There's a lot of fail here.......

 

[Dodger12]

At this point I think Romo has a better idea of what to do once the game starts than anyone on the team.

I'll ask almost the same question I did in my previous post. If you believe this, then how can you defend the HC when his QB has more of an idea how to run the offense than he does? It's very contradictory for you to so adamantly defend Garrett and then claim his QB has a better idea what to do than he does.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I agree. He really needs more than one year. The roster needs two more offseasons of restocking and weeding out no matter who the coach is to be able to win 2 playoff games in one season. As for the offense I hope they come back after the bye and turn Romo loose like they did last year. They're just outsmarting themselves with this new crap. At this point I think Romo has a better idea of what to do once the game starts than anyone on the team.

So you're saying it takes FIVE YEARS in today's NFL when you already have a franchise QB in place? No offense but that is absurd.

Let me guess, after two more full years Romo will be declining and then the excuse will be that Garrett needs more time because his QB isn't good and "no coach can win with an old Romo".

Someone should photoshop Garrett's face on your av.

 

[OhSnap]

Garrett has been the OC for 7 years now, having input in offensive personel desicions along the way, if our roster isn't what we've hoped for he has his share of blame.

Never heard of the offensive coordinator getting a bad name for personnel decisions. I can't blame Garrett for missing on ALL of the O-line picks that missed while he was the OC. The problem with the drafting those years is they drafted to compliment the team they already had instead of drafting for the future.

 

[OhSnap]

So you're saying it takes FIVE YEARS in today's NFL when you already have a franchise QB in place? No offense but that is absurd.

Let me guess, after two more full years Romo will be declining and then the excuse will be that Garrett needs more time because his QB isn't good and "no coach can win with an old Romo".

Someone should photoshop Garrett's face on your av.

I never said it takes 5 years in todays NFL. I said this roster needs 2 more drafts including UDFA's to have a complete roster with depth. No matter who the coach is. The roster like it is has been capable of the playoffs the last 2 years without injuries and with Garrett as coach. This clamoring every year to dump Garrett is whats absurd.

 

[OhSnap]

I'll ask almost the same question I did in my previous post. If you believe this, then how can you defend the HC when his QB has more of an idea how to run the offense than he does? It's very contradictory for you to so adamantly defend Garrett and then claim his QB has a better idea what to do than he does.

I'm defending the coach based on the roster and how the players have played for him. I'm sayin FOR THESE LAST 6 games of this season get more vertical and try to get chunks of yardage cause what they been doin aint workin and the defense aint good enough to handle the 3 and outs that this running game will produce. Your still workin under the assumption that Garrett is the OC when it was pretty well documented that he aint.