Jay Toia, NT - UCLA

[JeffInDC]

Folks, this may be my favorite pure NT. He put on a CLINIC last night vs. a pretty good Iowa OL (I think we all know by now Iowa is an OL factory) and almost single-handedly kept Kaleb Johnson in check (worst game of the season with 49 yards on 18 carries). He’s Dane Brugler’s #4 SENIOR DT - if they actually use early draft capital on a legit game wrecker-type DT (like Deone Walker or Derrick Harmon), Toia would be a good complement to both and probably push Mazi to either get better OR off the roster. Brugler has is supposedly verified measurables as 6’2 1/8”, 338. LEGIT NT numbers.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Folks, this may be my favorite pure NT. He put on a CLINIC last night vs. a pretty good Iowa OL (I think we all know by now Iowa is an OL factory) and almost single-handedly kept Kaleb Johnson in check (worst game of the season with 49 yards on 18 carries). He’s Dane Brugler’s #4 SENIOR DT - if they actually use early draft capital on a legit game wrecker-type DT (like Deone Walker or Derrick Harmon), Toia would be a good complement to both and probably push Mazi to either get better OR off the roster. Brugler has is supposedly verified measurables as 6’2 1/8”, 338. LEGIT NT numbers.

I love what I see with him, and I think he's someone we can get round 3, which would be amazing value.

 

[JeffInDC]

I love what I see with him, and I think he's someone we can get round 3, which would be amazing value.

Rusty, I’d be SHOCKED if he goes in 3 - I’m thinking more like Rounds 5-7 because he’s a true NT that happens to have really good quickness off the ball, but I don’t think he’s much of a pass rusher.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Rusty, I’d be SHOCKED if he goes in 3 - I’m thinking more like Rounds 5-7 because he’s a true NT that happens to have really good quickness off the ball, but I don’t think he’s much of a pass rusher.

explain this one more time for Mazi please???

 

[gtb1943]

Rusty, I’d be SHOCKED if he goes in 3 - I’m thinking more like Rounds 5-7 because he’s a true NT that happens to have really good quickness off the ball, but I don’t think he’s much of a pass rusher.

insane obsession with pass rush will certainly push him down; if we miss out on the top guys he would very much be a good grab because I agree about what he can do against the run. Iowa O line is not quite as good this year as has been the case but they are indeed a O line factory and Toia ATE THEM UP.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Rusty, I’d be SHOCKED if he goes in 3 - I’m thinking more like Rounds 5-7 because he’s a true NT that happens to have really good quickness off the ball, but I don’t think he’s much of a pass rusher.

Not purposely trying to find the middle ground lol, but I think he could be a 4th. He is a guy you draft and you at least know you are getting a good run down defender. However where I think he could 4th is because while his pass rush package and production aren't there, there are tools to be a viable pass rusher at some point. I think teams in the 4th could see a solid player with some upside to be a very good one.

One thing that hurts him is its an abnormally deep big DT. Are you taking Toia over a Corleone(who may be a late 3rd). I dont think most teams would

Im definitely with you on him being a guy to watch Jeff. Especially if we are picking high in the 5th

 

[JeffInDC]

Not purposely trying to find the middle ground lol, but I think he could be a 4th. He is a guy you draft and you at least know you are getting a good run down defender. However where I think he could 4th is because while his pass rush package and production aren't there, there are tools to be a viable pass rusher at some point. I think teams in the 4th could see a solid player with some upside to be a very good one.

One thing that hurts him is its an abnormally deep big DT. Are you taking Toia over a Corleone(who may be a late 3rd). I dont think most teams would

Great points.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Rusty, I’d be SHOCKED if he goes in 3 - I’m thinking more like Rounds 5-7 because he’s a true NT that happens to have really good quickness off the ball, but I don’t think he’s much of a pass rusher.

Well, and that's what we need. I'd love for us to double up at NT.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Not purposely trying to find the middle ground lol, but I think he could be a 4th. He is a guy you draft and you at least know you are getting a good run down defender. However where I think he could 4th is because while his pass rush package and production aren't there, there are tools to be a viable pass rusher at some point. I think teams in the 4th could see a solid player with some upside to be a very good one.

One thing that hurts him is its an abnormally deep big DT. Are you taking Toia over a Corleone(who may be a late 3rd). I dont think most teams would

Im definitely with you on him being a guy to watch Jeff. Especially if we are picking high in the 5th

If only we had a 4th

 

[darthseinfeld]

If only we had a 4th

With Toia an early 5th might do it too

 

[JeffInDC]

Well, and that's what we need. I'd love for us to double up at NT.

I’d double on DT, not specifically NT. A combo of Toia with any of the Mason Graham/Deone Walker/Walter Nolen/Derrick Harmon COMPLETE DT crew would be an outstanding haul. Add a really good RB prospect and a replacement for Martin and/or Steele, and the ‘Boys may be onto something good.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I’d double on DT, not specifically NT. A combo of Toia with any of the Mason Graham/Deone Walker/Walter Nolen/Derrick Harmon COMPLETE DT crew would be an outstanding haul. Add a really good RB prospect and a replacement for Martin and/or Steele, and the ‘Boys may be onto something good.

That works too, and I would love for us to have Jeanty.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I know the kid. He's emotionally immature, if not unstable.

Actually, he would fit in here.

 

[JeffInDC]

I know the kid. He's emotionally immature, if not unstable.

Actually, he would fit in here.

Is he borderline psychotic? At this point, I don’t care. I want violent players, ESPECIALLY on D

 

[gtb1943]

Is he borderline psychotic? At this point, I don’t care. I want violent players, ESPECIALLY on D

Haley was pretty psycho.....