Jay Toia, NT - UCLA

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Folks, this may be my favorite pure NT. He put on a CLINIC last night vs. a pretty good Iowa OL (I think we all know by now Iowa is an OL factory) and almost single-handedly kept Kaleb Johnson in check (worst game of the season with 49 yards on 18 carries). He’s Dane Brugler’s #4 SENIOR DT - if they actually use early draft capital on a legit game wrecker-type DT (like Deone Walker or Derrick Harmon), Toia would be a good complement to both and probably push Mazi to either get better OR off the roster. Brugler has is supposedly verified measurables as 6’2 1/8”, 338. LEGIT NT numbers.
 
JeffInDC said:
Folks, this may be my favorite pure NT. He put on a CLINIC last night vs. a pretty good Iowa OL (I think we all know by now Iowa is an OL factory) and almost single-handedly kept Kaleb Johnson in check (worst game of the season with 49 yards on 18 carries). He’s Dane Brugler’s #4 SENIOR DT - if they actually use early draft capital on a legit game wrecker-type DT (like Deone Walker or Derrick Harmon), Toia would be a good complement to both and probably push Mazi to either get better OR off the roster. Brugler has is supposedly verified measurables as 6’2 1/8”, 338. LEGIT NT numbers.
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I love what I see with him, and I think he's someone we can get round 3, which would be amazing value.
 
JeffInDC said:
Rusty, I’d be SHOCKED if he goes in 3 - I’m thinking more like Rounds 5-7 because he’s a true NT that happens to have really good quickness off the ball, but I don’t think he’s much of a pass rusher.
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explain this one more time for Mazi please???
 
JeffInDC said:
Rusty, I’d be SHOCKED if he goes in 3 - I’m thinking more like Rounds 5-7 because he’s a true NT that happens to have really good quickness off the ball, but I don’t think he’s much of a pass rusher.
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insane obsession with pass rush will certainly push him down; if we miss out on the top guys he would very much be a good grab because I agree about what he can do against the run. Iowa O line is not quite as good this year as has been the case but they are indeed a O line factory and Toia ATE THEM UP.
 
JeffInDC said:
Rusty, I’d be SHOCKED if he goes in 3 - I’m thinking more like Rounds 5-7 because he’s a true NT that happens to have really good quickness off the ball, but I don’t think he’s much of a pass rusher.
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Not purposely trying to find the middle ground lol, but I think he could be a 4th. He is a guy you draft and you at least know you are getting a good run down defender. However where I think he could 4th is because while his pass rush package and production aren't there, there are tools to be a viable pass rusher at some point. I think teams in the 4th could see a solid player with some upside to be a very good one.

One thing that hurts him is its an abnormally deep big DT. Are you taking Toia over a Corleone(who may be a late 3rd). I dont think most teams would

Im definitely with you on him being a guy to watch Jeff. Especially if we are picking high in the 5th
 
darthseinfeld said:
Not purposely trying to find the middle ground lol, but I think he could be a 4th. He is a guy you draft and you at least know you are getting a good run down defender. However where I think he could 4th is because while his pass rush package and production aren't there, there are tools to be a viable pass rusher at some point. I think teams in the 4th could see a solid player with some upside to be a very good one.

One thing that hurts him is its an abnormally deep big DT. Are you taking Toia over a Corleone(who may be a late 3rd). I dont think most teams would
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Great points.
 
JeffInDC said:
Rusty, I’d be SHOCKED if he goes in 3 - I’m thinking more like Rounds 5-7 because he’s a true NT that happens to have really good quickness off the ball, but I don’t think he’s much of a pass rusher.
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Well, and that's what we need. I'd love for us to double up at NT.
 
darthseinfeld said:
Not purposely trying to find the middle ground lol, but I think he could be a 4th. He is a guy you draft and you at least know you are getting a good run down defender. However where I think he could 4th is because while his pass rush package and production aren't there, there are tools to be a viable pass rusher at some point. I think teams in the 4th could see a solid player with some upside to be a very good one.

One thing that hurts him is its an abnormally deep big DT. Are you taking Toia over a Corleone(who may be a late 3rd). I dont think most teams would

Im definitely with you on him being a guy to watch Jeff. Especially if we are picking high in the 5th
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If only we had a 4th
 
RustyBourneHorse said:
Well, and that's what we need. I'd love for us to double up at NT.
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I’d double on DT, not specifically NT. A combo of Toia with any of the Mason Graham/Deone Walker/Walter Nolen/Derrick Harmon COMPLETE DT crew would be an outstanding haul. Add a really good RB prospect and a replacement for Martin and/or Steele, and the ‘Boys may be onto something good.
 
JeffInDC said:
I’d double on DT, not specifically NT. A combo of Toia with any of the Mason Graham/Deone Walker/Walter Nolen/Derrick Harmon COMPLETE DT crew would be an outstanding haul. Add a really good RB prospect and a replacement for Martin and/or Steele, and the ‘Boys may be onto something good.
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That works too, and I would love for us to have Jeanty.
 
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