Jerry and Player Accountability

Accountability is an organizational issue and it's not new. The problem starts at the top where the owner lead front office isn't accountable. In fact, hearing about anyone in the front office being fired is a rarity. Then the unaccountable front office constantly undermines coaches and micromanages the team. It's a recipe for the 30 year quagmire we find ourselves in.
 
rambo2 said:
Lol, the league is full of stoners. The entire league. All teams. You can't have a team without them. They need the pain relief.
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It’s not pain relief - it’s a culture thing. And you know what I’m getting at. 90% of the jags I drive by in my car are smoking blunts while they’re driving and look like dudes from the league. They can’t live without it.
 
rambo2 said:
Did it destroy the Chiefs?
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You're point is that other teams have the same issue..really? Weak counter..
There's no defense to losing a player who would/could contribute to the team's success as a result of criminal activity. After almost 31 years of nothing, we're not a good comparison to the Chiefs. We need all hands on deck.
 
There are like 19 teams that have had more arrests than Dallas since 2000.
 
Jerry never held players accountable, ever. jimmy held select players accountable but once he was gone even that threat of accountability was gone.
 
Deionindahood said:
Lately there seems to be a trend of players being arrested. Truthfully, we've always been a team known for renegade players over the years. That said, does Jerry condone or condemn these actions. Maybe Jerry needs to start a felony Ring of HOF or have a fan participation game of criminal bingo. I feel that Jerry doesn't hold these guys accountable and it not only sets a bad example, it also hurts the team. Am I wrong?
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This isn’t just a Cowboys thing, it’s a life thing. Players are human, aren’t they? Some get into more trouble than others, right? But does that mean they shouldn’t have a job? Take the Eagles’ Jalen Carter—didn’t he face similar or even worse issues than Ruben Bain does now? Yet there’s this constant need to judge players. The Cowboys happened to pick up Ruben, and people are quick to criticize them, but no one seems to say the Eagles should cut Jalen Carter for his past. He had a similar, if not worse, incident and still became a big part of their team, with hardly any judgment.

I found 56 pages of records showing NFL players arrested since 2000, which likely amounts to at least 700 players across all teams, many of whom still have jobs in the league. So maybe the focus on what Jerry allows is misplaced—it seems more like a league-wide standard. Just look at Kansas City over the past five years with all their issues; did they cut anyone for getting into trouble? Not really. If a player’s good, he’s going to keep his job.


Did Plaxico Burris even play for the Cowboys? He went to prison, came back, and immediately got another NFL job. If you’re talented enough, you’ll find work, just like anywhere else in America. Even people with arrests, prison time, or records can still be employable. This isn’t just a Cowboys issue—it’s been happening across all teams for as long as I can remember. Are we really going to act like Tom Landry didn’t allow this? Superstar players have had worse charges or arrests, whether they served time or not. Landry let players party, do drugs, and still play, and so did Jimmy Johnson. Everyone thought they had control of their teams, but now it’s suddenly all about Jerry because we need another Jerry narrative. People forget this is a league-wide thing, it happens in all sports, and in America, people often get second and even third chances after being arrested. You can still be employable.

If you go to jail or prison, you can still be employable.

Somehow you think this is just a Cowboys thing, which I find both hilarious and a bit insane, especially since you see it as narrowly focused on Jerry when it should be about the league as a whole.

It’s not a big deal, remember that Hall of Fame linebacker, Lewis? He never played for the Cowboys, but there was that whole situation where he was accused of covering up a murder. No, he didn’t kill anyone, but is that really much different from getting pulled over with weed in your car? I’d bet the league average for players arrested or given second chances is about the same as the Cowboys’ average. It’s not a big deal—are we really saying there should be zero tolerance for anyone who’s ever been arrested or done time? We have this debate every time one of our players is allegedly charged with something but not convicted, and even when they are, I have to remind people this happens all over the NFL, the NBA, and in mainstream America. It is what it is.

But I bet you're going to try to say it's a culture thing and that's why we're losing yeah, I'm going to keep reminding you that this is happening on all teams at some point and most of them handle it the same way They let the courts figure it out not the court of public opinion and most of the time if you're a great player they're not cutting you That's not how it works..
 
Deionindahood said:
Lately there seems to be a trend of players being arrested. Truthfully, we've always been a team known for renegade players over the years. That said, does Jerry condone or condemn these actions. Maybe Jerry needs to start a felony Ring of HOF or have a fan participation game of criminal bingo. I feel that Jerry doesn't hold these guys accountable and it not only sets a bad example, it also hurts the team. Am I wrong?
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I'm not aware of a so many "felony arrest" on the roster. There have been sure.
 
charron said:
Jerry never held players accountable, ever. jimmy held select players accountable but once he was gone even that threat of accountability was gone.
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Absolutely not! He only went after players who were low-hanging fruit, easy to cut, just to make an example. Are you telling me the White House incident really got anyone in trouble? All the drug use, the parties, and the things we knew about were only half of what was going on. There was no TMZ back then, no social media, no outlets like today where cell phones catch everything. I promise you, Tom Landry had just as many bad apples on his team, but as long as they were producing, it didn’t matter. We go through this every time—there’s no accountability when you’re a superstar. Just like in regular life, people get second chances and stay employable. The NFL, NBA, and other pro leagues are full of examples—there are 56 pages of arrests since 2000, with an equal number from every team.

Fact is, if you’re one of the best at your position, you’re not getting cut from the team. Just ask Kansas City—did they cut Rice? Over the last five years, they’ve had multiple players get into trouble or act out, and they weren’t let go. So how can anyone claim Jimmy Johnson held everyone accountable? Same with Parcells—Lawrence Taylor was known to use cocaine while playing, and the team turned a blind eye until league rules made it harder to ignore. Social media, cell phones, TMZ, and others have forced teams to be more accountable with their stars, but if you’re a key player, you’re usually safe. The Cowboys wouldn’t have won a single Super Bowl if Landry and Jimmy Johnson had truly held every player accountable—they only went after the low-hanging fruit.

II have to go through this every time with you guys I swear it's like you're so myopic and hate Jerry so much you think that the culture is only like this here and that's why we've been losing no that's not why we're losing this whole culture thing is a ridiculous narrative in the first place because most teams draft players with histories like we're going to see Ruben Bain just like we saw Jalen Carter I think Jalen Carter's was worse just like we seen Louis the linebacker with the Ravens Hall of Fame he had problems before he even entered the NFL..

I’ve seen this with Plaxico Burress, Antonio Brown, and yes, Big Ben—all from an organization that supposedly has a better culture. They allow things until they can’t, because these players can perform. In fact, Plaxico Burress not only went to prison, but when he got out, he immediately had a job—just not with Jerry’s team, as another team hired him. It’s interesting, in a bad way, that people think this is just about Jerry. I did some research—56 pages covering probably 700 players—and they’re not all Cowboys. The percentage of Cowboys is probably equal to most other teams; it’s just bad luck and timing that some have been arrested since 2000. I’m guessing on the numbers, but the point is, this is about humanity. These players are human, and like everyone else, they make mistakes and sometimes get arrested. The difference is, it only gets talked about if you’re famous, rich, or on a team. In all walks of life, this happens, and many people get second or even third chances.
 
Kwyn said:
Exactly. Dallas is actually almost exactly average and landed in a four way tie at 14 (so, 14-17).

https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-teams-with-the-most-players-arrested-since-2000/

@Deionindahood
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The narrative that Dallas is the worst team in the league is laughable. This is a common sports problem when a group in society walks into generational wealth without the mental acuity and skills to deal with that situation.

My problem with the Cowboys players is the team is in the midst of a 30 year drought, back to back losing seasons and coming off the record as one of the worst defences in the league.

What part of this can't Bell understand, and make sure he keeps his business out of the newspapers.

It's not like he is a rookie. This is going to be his 5th NFL campaign.

I just expected better from a 5th year player.
 
Acceptablename said:
I'm not aware of a so many "felony arrest" on the roster. There have been sure.
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So it goes from a few arrests involving the Cowboys to suddenly labeling them all as felons. In reality, some charges were misdemeanors, some players haven’t been on the team for years, and others moved to different teams. Yet headlines blow it up as “Ex-Dallas Cowboys player arrested,” even if the player left three years ago—implying it’s some kind of culture issue just because “Cowboys” is in the title. This kind of exaggeration happens a lot. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: a quick search shows 56 pages of NFL player arrests since 2000, league-wide. And if you look at more recent history, the Kansas City Chiefs have had far worse numbers when it comes to players being disciplined or arrested.

It's a fact,

but everyone wants to say it's a Dallas Cowboy thing no the Dallas Cowboys are talked about more not a single player that was considered great and that was a vital part of Super Bowl wins not Tom Landry and not Jimmy Johnson And not most of the league disciplines these players They don't cut them because they just can't and they won't it's been going on a hundred years that the NFL was invented but it's more blown up now because of social media the Internet and cell phones and that little show called TMZ that follows people around 24/7 they employ an army that falls around the superstars...

No, there have never been players on the New England Patriots during their Super Bowl run who went to prison for a murder that didn’t happen. Ray Lewis was a Cowboy? Is Jalen Carter a Cowboy? Is that receiver Rice from the Chiefs saying he’s a Cowboy? How did they face discipline? I don’t recall them being cut from their teams. Oh, that’s right—one went to prison, so there was no choice. But if it had been anything besides murder, they might have tried to sweep it under the rug to keep that tight end duo in New England. Still, Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft would never allow that.
Across the league, situations occur that could be considered felonies. I don’t recall many Dallas Cowboys with actual felonies, yet now they’re all being labeled as felons. Some players were just arrested for minor offenses, like having a small amount of weed in their car while speeding, and suddenly they’re branded as hardened criminals. The claim that this only happens with the Cowboys is completely wrong—there have likely been around 700 arrests involving NFL players, spread across nearly every team. That’s 56 pages worth of cases. Maybe it’s simply because they’re human, but the spotlight on them makes these incidents public, whereas if it happened to regular people, no one would know. NFL players come from society, and society has the same issues. It’s not a stretch to say this is fairly normal when you look at the percentage within sports or entertainment—it gets reported because of who they are, not because it’s a higher percentage than what happens in everyday life.
 
MapleLeaf said:
The narrative that Dallas is the worst team in the league is laughable. This is a common sports problem when a group in society walks into generational wealth without the mental acuity and skills to deal with that situation.

My problem with the Cowboys players is the team is in the midst of a 30 year drought, back to back losing seasons and coming off the record as one of the worst defences in the league.

What part of this can't Bell understand, and make sure he keeps his business out of the newspapers.

It's not like he is a rookie. This is going to be his 5th NFL campaign.

I just expected better from a 5th year player.
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I think you were really close but you forget that they all come from a sample size of society in which most of the percentage of society has the same problems That would be the same percentage that in the NFL they're they'll make mistakes Humans are not perfect Why is it because they're under a microscope now that it's your business to talk about their business only because they play for the NFL and the Cowboys it's 10 times worse..

Telling you that people are barking up the wrong tree I did a quick search after I heard the rest and how it's the Cowboys culture problem they seem to be the only ones getting arrested no look around the league so the year 2000 that's the only way I went back to 2000, found 56 pages about 700 players have been arrested just in the NFL..

if you want it go do some real research go look at all major sports and you're going to find out that the percentage of players getting in trouble is about the same as in real life you just don't hear about those much because they in the public spotlight.

I'm not condoning what he did or didn't do but first of all let's find out if he's convicted Every arrest doesn't mean somebody's guilty regardless of what he did or didn't do he's human and you all are judging him from afar only because you know about it because he's the Dallas Cowboy that's it..

Think it's unfair to be throwing stones at people when you don't realize that this happens in all walks of life from just about all humans in society and that is where we're getting our players from this is not a Dallas Cowboy problem at all This is the same humans that we are getting from society are gonna have the same issues that no people have they're just gonna be elevated in the spotlight and put under a microscope and fried because of their choice of careers..

Yes the player should make better decisions and maybe team should do a better job making them accountable that's not the case Most players who get in trouble like this get second and 3rd chances all around the NFL not just with the Cowboys 7 coming to the league just like Jalen Carter and Ray Lewis and a whole bunch of big names that end up having great careers in the NFL and never played a snap for the Cowboys but came into the lead with these problems and now Ruben Bain is being fried and he hasn't even been arrested for anything criminal and he won't be and this man is being fried because he's enter the NFL..
 
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