Jerry Jones hit the nail on the head

[Starstruck22]

bush league garbage from Detroit

The nfl needs to realize this is going to happen again. Here is the new rule. “If any Coach or team seeks to subvert any well established rule, they will be sanctioned, fined, and repeated offenses terminated.” This will go a long way to prevent Danny boy or others from doing this. This is not an nfl first because bellichick tried to steal calls and deflate balls and should have been terminated.

 

[OmerV]

I agree it wouldnt make sense but tell me this, our team heard it, so your telling me that the HC OC,QB coach, passing coord, OL coach, coaches in the press boxes up stairs players on the field (same field our players were on that heard it) and no one on there side heard it? again i get your logic but the other logic seems just as crazy...

The ref tells the defense directly, not just rely on an announcement over the speaker. You actually see the ref after the Lions O-Linemen talk to him run over to the Cowboys to tell them.

 

[Starstruck22]

They announced the thing over the intercom.

Maybe another benefit to this was if they hoped a flag would not have been thrown. Only 5 yard penalty supposedly.

Seems to be a few benefits to this layered onion in Detroits favor. Fortunately it didnt work.

I see no problem with the theatrics of sending 3 guys at the ref hoping to confuse Dallas. But...they designate and announce over the intercom for a reason...its still worth a shot, imo.

I have a problem with that. It is a clear attempt to subvert rules. It should be illegal.

 

[jazzcat22]

Kudos for Dallas being prepared and not being fooled.
Same for the refs.

 

[The Quest for Six]

70 reported and brad allen ackowledged….

didn't happen..

 

[Starstruck22]

Kudos for Dallas being prepared and not being fooled.

dallas was fooled (they did not cover decker) the refs were not. One of the few sterling examples of officiating this year.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The ref tells the defense directly, not just rely on an announcement over the speaker. You actually see the ref after the Lions O-Linemen talk to him run over to the Cowboys to tell them.

Im positive he tells both teams and also anounces it over the PA, again i get your point but i would be shocked if literally no one on the Lions side heard the call, that to me is just as illogical.

 

[Starstruck22]

didn't hap

Did happen. 70 given to dallas and over pa system. What are you missing? no proof decker reported.

 

[OmerV]

You simply refuse to get it. Of course it was. What is the point of the obfuscation except to prevent dallas from knowing what the rule says they have a right to know. Please people this is really simple. 2 plus 2 simple. If it was a play that did not involve a specific rule and the attempt to obviate it, that would be a different situation. What many on here cannot seem to ascertain is that there are plays that involve deception (motion, change of direction, play action, fake punt) that do not seek to subvert a rule and there are plays that attempt to subvert rules. There is a distinct difference. If you are saying Campbell never intended to subvert the rule, but his actions belie this theory.

The point was obviously to confuse Dallas, but deception and illegality aren't automatically the same thing. It's illogical to say they are.

How in the world does it make sense to think they would intentionally do something that carries such an incredibly high chance of backfiring?

 

[Starstruck22]

The point was obviously to confuse Dallas, but deception and illegality aren't automatically the same thing. It's illogical to say they are.

How in the world does it make sense to think they would intentionally do something that carries such an incredibly high chance of backfiring?

See bernie madoff and same bankman fried! Lamo!!!!!
i have argued cogently there is a difference between deception plays (motion, change of direction, fake punts, play action) and plays to subvert the rules by deception. There are none so blind than those that refuse to see.

 

[panchucko]

Im positive he tells both teams and also anounces it over the PA, again i get your point but i would be shocked if literally no one on the Lions side heard the call, that to me is just as illogical.

I think the lions heard about two minutes into this Troy and buck talk about it.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The point was obviously to confuse Dallas, but deception and illegality aren't automatically the same thing. It's illogical to say they are.

How in the world does it make sense to think they would intentionally do something that carries such an incredibly high chance of backfiring?

Well to be fair they then tried to covert the 2 point 2 more times...how high are those chances of backfiring? I completely understand your logic, i just cant wrap my head around that no one on the lines side heard the call...it looked really intended to me.

 

[acr731]

Of course they did. Campbell tried but was unsuccessful in cheating.

I'm not understanding how it's cheating when the ref has to announce who is eligible. Maybe they were expecting the refs to not notice who actually ran the route and caught the ball?

 

[Big_C_KU]

I have no issue with Lions trying to deceive the Cowboys by sending 3 OL to tell ref they’re “eligible”. It’s gamesmanship and that’s part of the game. If you’re going to do that though you better make damn sure the ref announces the correct guy eligible before the play begins. The Lions had more than enough time to listen and clarify who was eligible because the announcement was made while the play clock was not running and the Lions were still in the huddle. At that point further it’s on them.

 

[jazzcat22]

dallas was fooled (they did not cover decker) the refs were not. One of the few sterling examples of officiating this year.

They were not fooled, 70 was announced eligible and that was who they planned for and covered.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I think the lions heard about two minutes into this Troy and buck talk about it.

so they heard it and tried to change it without letting the Cowboys know..thats what i thought "Low key trying to change it" what DC failed to understand is the ref would've had to tell the defense if they changed the Elegible reciever...

 

[DStar22]

I have no issue with Lions trying to deceive the Cowboys by sending 3 OL to tell ref they’re “eligible”. It’s gamesmanship and that’s part of the game. If you’re going to do that though you better make damn sure the ref announces the correct guy eligible before the play begins. The Lions had more than enough time to listen and clarify who was eligible because the announcement was made while the play clock was not running and the Lions were still in the huddle. At that point further it’s on them.

exactly. this looks something more like the OLinemen were telling the ref 70 but 68 was waving his hands over his own number to confuse, or they went through different numbers and the ref heard 70 last.

 

[jazzcat22]

I'm not understanding how it's cheating when the ref has to announce who is eligible. Maybe they were expecting the refs to not notice who actually ran the route and caught the ball?

When you send 3 OL to the ref, it is purposely trying to cause confusion to Dallas, as Detroit admitted to that. But it is also trying to confuse the officials.

Goff probably was told throw it to which ever OL was open. Therefore trying to make any one of the 3 eligible In some tricky crap, cheating style. Hoping the refs did not catch on.

 

[Big_C_KU]

I think the lions heard about two minutes into this Troy and buck talk about it.

Would argue then if there’s no reason for 68 to go over to the ref like Troy and Buck suggest unless he was reporting then why did 58 go over as well and then 70 come running up as well? It was all to deceive the defense which is ok. When you run deceptive plays though you better make sure you have all your ducks correctly in a row which involves making sure the ref announces the correct player eligible.

 

[CowboyFrog]

When you send 3 OL to the ref, it is purposely trying to cause confusion to Dallas, as Detroit admitted to that. But it is also trying to confuse the officials.

Stafford probably was told throw it to which ever OL was open. Therefore trying to make any one of the 3 eligible In some tricky crap, cheating style. Hoping the refs did not catch on.

well to be fair Stafford is in LA so he is clear on this one.. I know what you meant..