Jerry Jones: Very happy with Cowboys post-Micah Parsons trade

[Stash]

Honest question: Given everything that’s happened - including Parsons’ injury - does anyone think that the Packers would make this same deal again?

 

[HungryLion]

Almost right.

It's funny how this thread has helped me clarify the trade in my own head.

But if we count Quinnen (which I do), then you could say we traded away Micah and a 2nd because ultimately the 1st that we traded for Q was compensation from the trade.

No. It would be trading Micah, a first and a 2nd.

The cowboys traded away their second rounder this year and traded away a first next year for Quinnen.

The first we traded for Quinnen still counts because otherwise we would have 2 firsts next year. Not just 1 like we do now.


All that said. I’m fine with the trade now because I think getting Quinnen was awesome. Just want to clarify it is not as lopsided as the OP suggests.

 

[MarcusRock]

Again, I hear ya but don't think it's that black & white.

The $'s were projected to be in that range before any of them signed. So I don't think he's signing at any time for less than the 38-40 range. Jerry offered him 40.5. If anything Garrett's deal should have been the reason, Micah's slotted in underneath him. Packers giving him 47 isn't something we should have ever been considering.

Generational physical ability but not generational football player.

All of that could have been avoided if Jerry does a deal after his 3rd year when the going rate was $34M. $35M would have gotten it done. Then, if you're not happy with him, you trade him at the right time and you can maximize return. By then, other defenders would have eclipsed your deal and Micah would be a bargain. We traded Micah and then went chasing Crosby at the same money we could have had Micah at, plus wanted to pay draft capital premium for it. Just dumb.

If you weren't sure about him the time to do something dramatic was after we got embarrassed by Green Bay. Trade him for better draft capital than we got, let some other team pay him, fire McCarthy, bring in Harbaugh, and Jerry gets to sell it as a reset, not a rebuild. Lack of vision is the FO's biggest hole.

 

[McKDaddy]

All of that could have been avoided if Jerry does a deal after his 3rd year when the going rate was $34M. $35M would have gotten it done. Then, if you're not happy with him, you trade him at the right time and you can maximize return. By then, other defenders would have eclipsed your deal and Micah would be a bargain. We traded Micah and then went chasing Crosby at the same money we could have had Micah at, plus wanted to pay draft capital premium for it. Just dumb.

If you weren't sure about him the time to do something dramatic was after we got embarrassed by Green Bay. Trade him for better draft capital than we got, let some other team pay him, fire McCarthy, bring in Harbaugh, and Jerry gets to sell it as a reset, not a rebuild. Lack of vision is the FO's biggest hole.

In theory, but Micah & his agent know that waiting drives up the price, I am pretty sure he ever signs for those amounts. The reason a player signs early is to lock in guaranteed money (ie, protection against injury). Perhaps he makes that decision .... but it's only speculation that he would.

I think changes should have been made after GB, but I don't know that moving Micah at that time (2023 season) is anywhere near the same decision as moving him 1.5 years later.

 

[McKDaddy]

Honest question: Given everything that’s happened - including Parsons’ injury - does anyone think that the Packers would make this same deal again?

I think they have very serious concerns today.

 

[Diehardblues]

I understand that but that is the number that was most commonly referenced. Regardless of any of the numbers, the player has to deliver. I don't think he will ever justify any of those numbers and I think we are a better team now than with him.

He's guaranteed $136M with $100M paid to him in the first two years. That's real money regardless of cap accounting.

Ok. So you want to discount the facts. Those average numbers mean nothing.

Believe what you will Parsons was a perineal All Pro considered one of the best at his position. Only second player( Reggie White) to ever record at least 12 sacks in his first 4 seasons and followed it up again in Green Bay despite missing last 4-5 games.

He’s on a HOF path but not enough to warrant a market price contract? Ok that makes sense. Lol

 

[stilltheguru]

Ok. So you want to discount the facts. Those average numbers mean nothing.

Believe what you will Parsons was a perineal All Pro considered one of the best at his position. Only second player( Reggie White) to ever record at least 12 sacks in his first 4 seasons and followed it up again in Green Bay despite missing last 4-5 games.

He’s on a HOF path but not enough to warrant a market price contract? Ok that makes sense. Lol

We're you a fan of terrell owens being a Cowboy? Based on your avatar I'd say you're an old old head and I know how your type thought about TO. Let's see if you answer or dodge like the typical parsons supporter.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Can the bar be "getting past the Divisional Round" for us?

It could if Cowboys ownership, coaches, players and fans stopped using the words “Super Bowl” in deference to the upcoming season.

 

[MarcusRock]

In theory, but Micah & his agent know that waiting drives up the price, I am pretty sure he ever signs for those amounts. The reason a player signs early is to lock in guaranteed money (ie, protection against injury). Perhaps he makes that decision .... but it's only speculation that he would.

I think changes should have been made after GB, but I don't know that moving Micah at that time (2023 season) is anywhere near the same decision as moving him 1.5 years later.

It had literally worked that way for years on end. A player/agent would turn down being highest paid over a player (Bosa) who was better at the time? Not. Finance basics will tell you that money now is worth more than money later and that's especially true when your line of work is violent. They literally had Dak for reference. They say they approached and Jerry said no. A mistake that hampered their flexibility and got them backed into a corner, IMO.

 

[Nova]

No. It would be trading Micah, a first and a 2nd.

The cowboys traded away their second rounder this year and traded away a first next year for Quinnen.

The first we traded for Quinnen still counts because otherwise we would have 2 firsts next year. Not just 1 like we do now.


All that said. I’m fine with the trade now because I think getting Quinnen was awesome. Just want to clarify it is not as lopsided as the OP suggests.

No it's not lopsided at all, I agree. And yes, I love Q. I've thought he was the best DT prospect of the last decade.

Actually, I forgot to factor in Mazi and the 7th we got back for Philly with the trade down.

So if we lump in Q, and the fair trade back to Philly... it's this.

Away:
Micah - To GB
Mazi - To NYJ
2026 2nd- to NYJ
2026 7th - To PHI
2027 1st- To NYJ

Received:
Kenny Clark - From GB
2026 1st- From GB (#20-->#23 Malachi Lawrence)
--2026 4th - From PHI (#114 - Devin Moore)
--2026 5th - From PHI (#137 - LT Overton)
Quinnen Williams -- From NYJ
2027 1st- From GB

The purple/bolded 1sts are more or less the same 1st right now and wash out since:

A: We do not yet know the delta between the two
B: From a behavioral economics standpoint, the FO doesn't traded for Quinnen if they don't have an extra 1st in 2027.

We could feel differently next year about the 2027 1st by this coming February.

 

[McKDaddy]

Finance basics will tell you that money now is worth more than money later and that's especially true when your line of work is violent.

I completely agree with this & have often argued it as why a player SHOULD sign while the player & his agent refuse. They are always hopeful that someone will offer the next record deal whether it be AAV, guaranteed money, getting them back on the market sooner, etc.. Sometimes it has worked out for them. Agents want the compensation number to be as high as possible as their commission is 3% of that so it's easy to see they have incentive to prioritize bigger numbers over "safe & reasonable".

 

[stilltheguru]

Dak openly advocating for Pickens to get paid when he stayed silent on micah doesn't ring a bell in shills heads as to what a loser teammate micah was and how he wasn't respected. Looks like Jerry isn't the only one happy.

 

[Diehardblues]

Were you a fan of terrell owens being a Cowboy? Based on your avatar I'd say you're an old old head and I know how your type thought about TO. Let's see if you answer or dodge like the typical parsons supporter.

TO was a HOF talent . Was I fan of him personally. No, but his talent was an asset.

There’s been several Cowboys in our history I haven’t been a fan of personally like Michael Irvin and Zeke. But recognize their asset on the field .

Parsons off field altercations and personality off the field didn’t fall into the same category as those I’ve been more outspoken against personally.

 

[stilltheguru]

TO was a HOF talent . Was I fan of him personally. No, but his talent was an asset.

There’s been several Cowboys in our history I haven’t been a fan of personally like Michael Irvin and Zeke. But recognize their asset on the field .

Parsons off field altercations and personality off the field didn’t fall into the same category as those I’ve been more outspoken against personally.

That didn't answer the question. I said we're you a fan of him being ON THE COWBOYS? You're obviously whining that micah is no longer a Cowboy even though it's been proven without a doubt he was a trash leader and teammate. So I'm asking did you want TO as a Cowboy as well.


Also zeke and irvin weren't bad teammates or bad leaders so don't deflect to them.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak openly advocating for Pickens to get paid when he stayed silent on micah doesn't ring a bell in shills heads as to what a loser teammate micah was and how he wasn't respected. Looks like Jerry isn't the only one happy.

Pickens is more of a direct asset to Daks production. Makes total sense.