Jerry Jones vs. George Steinbrenner

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  1. Both took over storied franchises, and created waves,
  2. Both dismissed legendary figures (Landry, and Berra),
  3. Both of those figure mentioned grew to forgive later in life the way those situations were handled by being the classy men they were,
  4. Both have rolled through a series of head coaches/managers,
  5. Both wanted credit when their on field coaches were getting it (Johnson and Martin),
  6. Both had the landmark stadiums of their teams replaced,
  7. Both turned their teams in to $1.6 billion dollar franchises (DC $1.65, NYY $1.6),
  8. Both have families heavily involved in the teams,
  9. Both desperately wanted to be the "face" of their teams,
  10. ONE of them eventually figured out that RUNNING the team was not producing...that it was NOT a toy, and that he DID NOT have all the answers. Thus, he let a GM find talent, hired a Head Coach/Manager that WAS NOT a token, and allowed these people to find role players that would assist the high priced free agents on his team in ORDER TO WIN IN IT ALL!!! Essentially he learned how to get out of the way after flattening his program throughout the 80's and early 90's...
Almost the same person...hopefully Jerry will learn from George's lesson number 10...He seems to be making progress, just not quite enough.
 
Quarterback Coach;3458321 said:
  1. ONE of them eventually figured out that RUNNING the team was not producing...that it was NOT a toy, and that he DID NOT have all the answers. Thus, he let a GM find talent, hired a Head Coach/Manager that WAS NOT a token, and allowed these people to find role players that would assist the high priced free agents on his team in ORDER TO WIN IN IT ALL!!! Essentially he learned how to get out of the way after flattening his program throughout the 80's and early 90's...
Almost the same person...hopefully Jerry will learn from George's lesson number 10...He seems to be making progress, just not quite enough.
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But....one of them operates in a league with a salary cap, revenue sharing, a meaningful draft, etc. Jerry just can't go out and outspend his competitors by $150 million or so to buy a title.
 
umm.

steinbrenner didnt decide to stop controlling the team genius. He was suspended from having anything to do with the team. During that period gene micheals, roy white and a handful of others went and filled the system with tremendous talent. That talent turned out to be jeter, A.P., bernie williams, rivera....

so that kind of shoots down that theory. And when you look at it closer you will see ol george was right back to calling the shots when the team was starting to win, making trades for jack mcdowell and others that didnt work out.


George missed more than he hit, its just that the format of baseball allows you to miss on 10 straight deals and then hit on 1 if you can afford the misses.

George drove henderson and winfield away when the team was still good in the 80s and then made the genius moves of trading jay buhner for ken phelps, signing ed whitson, doug drabek....throwing tons of money at jack clark, steve balboni and on and on.

The yankees operate in an environment where they have every advantage and can have everything they want. In no way can what the yankees have done be compared to what Happens with any team in the nfl.

I would love it if the baseball playing field was leveled out, the country would fall in love with baseball again because every market would have a chance. Organizations like Minnesota, oakland, florida, san diego would flourish because they are excellent at scouting pitching. For right now 50% of the league serves as a minor league system until one of the 5 main teams in NY, Boston, Chicago or LA want to buy them.
 
No comparison in terms of temperament or managerial styles. George was tyrannical, going through managers like they were tissue paper, whereas Jerry was loyal to players and coaches to a fault.
 
I'm a Yankees fan but I'd have to go with Jerry Jones overall... The guy isn't near the ****** George Steinbrenner was throughout his career.
 
Jerry stood by Campo for three straight 5-11 seasons. That alone tells you he was no Big Stein.
 
Quarterback Coach;3458321 said:
  1. ONE of them eventually figured out that RUNNING the team was not producing...that it was NOT a toy, and that he DID NOT have all the answers. Thus, he let a GM find talent, hired a Head Coach/Manager that WAS NOT a token, and allowed these people to find role players that would assist the high priced free agents on his team in ORDER TO WIN IN IT ALL!!!
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  1. Yeah, only the Parcells experiment ended up being a miserable failure. ;)
    So thank goodeness that Jones deferred to Stephen. Haha!

    But hey, thanks for playing! :lmao:
 
Quarterback Coach;3458321 said:
ONE of them eventually figured out that RUNNING the team was not producing...that it was NOT a toy, and that he DID NOT have all the answers. Thus, he let a GM find talent, hired a Head Coach/Manager that WAS NOT a token, and allowed these people to find role players that would assist the high priced free agents on his team in ORDER TO WIN IN IT ALL!!! Essentially he learned how to get out of the way after flattening his program throughout the 80's and early 90's...
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...and that one spends almost 4x as much as any other team in the league. Something that can't be done in the NFL.

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You tried and FAILED.

Next.
 
ThreeSportStar80;3458345 said:
I'm a Yankees fan but I'd have to go with Jerry Jones overall... The guy isn't near the ****** George Steinbrenner was throughout his career.
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I would only say - Early in his career as Yankee owner.

And George had a 18 year lead on Jerry.
 
Hagman;3458324 said:
But....one of them operates in a league with a salary cap, revenue sharing, a meaningful draft, etc. Jerry just can't go out and outspend his competitors by $150 million or so to buy a title.
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Bingo..you hit it on the head. Besides, Jerry has become a football guy and as of late had been making all the right moves and the team has been drafting very well.

RIP George Steinbrenner
 
bbgun;3458340 said:
No comparison in terms of temperament or managerial styles. George was tyrannical, going through managers like they were tissue paper, whereas Jerry was loyal to players and coaches to a fault.
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The key point is that both wished to be the face of their teams...that is not a recipe for success...it needs to be a player, or a coach...NOT an owner. Think of the face of THIS team during the winning years, then think of it during the lean years.
 
theebs;3458336 said:
umm.

steinbrenner didnt decide to stop controlling the team genius. He was suspended from having anything to do with the team. During that period gene micheals, roy white and a handful of others went and filled the system with tremendous talent. That talent turned out to be jeter, A.P., bernie williams, rivera....

so that kind of shoots down that theory.
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actually it kind of supports my whole premise that an owner needs to stay the hell out of the way and let baseball and/or football people run the show. I may not have been 100% clear in that final point, but the premise is what I was trying to pitch.
 
bbgun;3458350 said:
Jerry stood by Campo for three straight 5-11 seasons. That alone tells you he was no Big Stein.
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He almost had to...it was a monster that he created by placing the team in salary cap hell...after running of jj, and putting his "stamp" on the team.
 
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