News: Jerry owes us. Really?

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This is not a chance to vent one's spleen with yet another chance to smother another's view...and it isn't the right forum to troll and just add up totals of insult.

Those of you who claim that you are owed much more and that Jerry, himself, needs to insure play of his team reap a Super Bowl reward, to have value...

You and I are geared in different ways.

I understand pessimism by someone who feels that no matter the reasons, success is guaranteed a fan. That, or the fan has just been cheated.

Sorry guy, I don't buy into that slant...first of all, the Dallas Cowboys are part of the NFL. The product that the NFL sells, is football. One can just not fake an athlete putting all on the line, to physically challenge an opponent that often results in blood, broken bones, and serious injury. No, due to the very nature of the game, anything can happen, and of a hap hazard nature, during the course of a game. Somethings are just not manageable...they happen. To start handing out blame, in a hap hazard game, first is naïve...and then self-centered.

These guys put it on the line, willingly, for the good of a team.

If one is going to support a team that he has chosen...then support it. Rooting for the effort is called sportsmanship...not ownership privilege. You and I differ hugely, right there. No...I am not cheated by the team.

If a team is not the very best, then it should work to become just that. Well, the Dallas Cowboys do just that...and no, Jerry Jones doesn't owe you, the fan, beyond presenting the very best on carpet product that that franchise is able to accomplish. Even I have posted a ton of information over the past years, as to what accomplishments the Cowboys have actually accomplished. Since Jerry came into ownership, and in the past eight seasons...Dallas ranks #8 in total wins. That is not failure. As to the past three seasons, the Cowboys have a 12 win and a 13 win season.

That is improving on a top shelf level...not past due payments to fans.

The Dallas Cowboys have quite a few Pro Bowlers and one of the very best offenses in the NFL. That always is entertaining for a fan...but not for a ring-tapper, who gloats in trophies alone.

I grew in and participated in Texas football. I remember watching Ronnie Bull, at a little 2A team, Bishop. I learned the thrill of the competition...not glory of gloating. They made it to the Regionals, and lost to Kennedy. Ronnie was All State at running back, and went on to become an All American at Baylor. He was drafted by the Chicago Bears, and was Rookie of the Year the year following the award to Mike Ditka. That showed me as a growing athlete...direction and made it a personal aspiration for me.

I was All District at linebacker, while playing for the Kingsville Brahmas. I then went on to play at the Air Force Academy and then Texas A&I. The Falcons played Tennessee in the Sugar Bowl and the Javelinas were National Champs - NAIA.

But you know what? Even when playing, nothing was owed us as a team. That had to be accomplished game by game, and by sacrifice with the guideline of doing the work as a team. It was effort expended...not goals guaranteed. Final victories are never guaranteed and why sportsmanship and appreciation of the sport should dominate one's make-up and reason for support of a team. Winning is NOT guaranteed, but the sacrifice and selfless nature of a team, IS.

One roots for a team...not simply for a self appointed entitlement. Where is that in a competitive team, from the start.

And on a side note...winning in a competitive level of playoffs, doesn't just happen. It comes to a very dedicated and team integrated team. But there is another element that seems to be lost here, and that winning in a playoff system, requires experiences at that level...by the team. That requires experience in the playoffs as well...to play at a specific level of play.

The Cowboys lost to Green Bay, the last two times in the playoffs. But the thing here, was that it lost by 5 points and then 3 points the last few seconds. Sorry, that doesn't create a sudden debt by the Cowboys to the fans.

I am well proud of my chosen team...the Cowboys. They fought hard, but were a top team for two of the past three seasons. They are talented enough to compete now. They have worked hard to be where they are...right now.

But for the record, don't you claim that they instead owe me an ounce more...because I am a fan!

Sorry, they have done this fan proud. They have strived hard, and at top levels. I understand winning. Not just chest pounding...

and when a fan thinks his team owes more than a difficult to sustain, high competition in a team, well maybe he should move on to where he can worship a trophy instead. Tradition does have it's place...and Jerry Jones has done his efforts to build upon that. The Cowboys owe me being in the mix - that is dedication. But instead of cheapening that mark of integrity...I support it.
 
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As much money as I've invested in the Cowboys with season tickets and more, helping Jerry just get richer, he TOTALLY owes me. If I invest money in a car, I expect it to work. If I'm buying stock in a company, I expect returns. If I'm investing money into a house, I don't expect crazy foundation problems. The MAIN reason Jerry owes me is his narcissism have cost us more championships. Having 2 playoff wins in 21 years is pathetic, and the fans have stayed beyond loyal. Jerry owes all of us.
 

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As much money as I've invested in the Cowboys with season tickets and more, helping Jerry just get richer, he TOTALLY owes me. If I invest money in a car, I expect it to work. If I'm buying stock in a company, I expect returns. If I'm investing money into a house, I don't expect crazy foundation problems. The MAIN reason Jerry owes me is his narcissism have cost us more championships. Having 2 playoff wins in 21 years is pathetic, and the fans have stayed beyond loyal. Jerry owes all of us.

Sorry, you are in this for personal rewards...not rooting for the team it is.

Demand a refund for Chicago, Vince Gil, or Bob Seger performance?
 

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Over the past 2 decades, the cowboys have only won a handful of playoff games. Have they even been out of the second round during that time? Jerry Jones is making cash hand over fist. He technically doesn't owe anyone anything other than putting a team on the field that people will watch, but fans aren't wrong in expecting better than what they've been getting in fairly recent history with the Cowboys
 

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What? If I'm willing to invest in season tickets, fly to away games, attend offseason events, and purchase merchandise, than I'm OBVIOUSLY ROOTING FOR THE TEAM. I'll respect your OP about not insulting anyone.

If you did that and didn't like the team, who is being foolish here?

I don't tack on an itemized expense account for my participation of being a fan.

I also have worked in industrial settings that was over seen by OSHA and MSHA, respectively.
 
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The problem we face in Dallas is we have an owner that will sometimes put his ego ahead of the team and ahead of the fans so we have to make him feel accountable someway.

Right now i'm happy with the direction this team is going but there is 1 thing that bothers me...

We have a coach that is here because it is more about pleasing Jerry Jones ego then about putting us in the best situation to win on Sundays.





I'm a Jerry fan and I appreciate him but the NFL is a result business and we have to start getting better results at the end of the season.
 

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No one with the Cowboys owes me anything. As a fan I choose to be a Cowboys fan and have since 1965 by my own choice. Of course I get upset, disappointed and frustrated but that is the nature of sports there are no givens, no sure things. I have said for many years I'm a Cowboys fan win, lose or tie that has not changed and again it is by my choice.
 

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As much money as I've invested in the Cowboys with season tickets and more, helping Jerry just get richer, he TOTALLY owes me. If I invest money in a car, I expect it to work. If I'm buying stock in a company, I expect returns. If I'm investing money into a house, I don't expect crazy foundation problems. The MAIN reason Jerry owes me is his narcissism have cost us more championships. Having 2 playoff wins in 21 years is pathetic, and the fans have stayed beyond loyal. Jerry owes all of us.
You're free to stop giving your money to Jerry at any time.
 

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The problem we face in Dallas is we have an owner that will sometimes put his ego ahead of the team and ahead of the fans so we have to make him feel accountable someway.

Right now i'm happy with the direction this team is going but there is 1 thing that bothers me...

We have a coach that is here because it is more about pleasing Jerry Jones ego then about putting us in the best situation to win on Sundays.





I'm a Jerry fan and I appreciate him but the NFL is a result business and we have to start getting better results at the end of the season.

I can understand your view.
 

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We are all different, and root for this team in different ways. I, for example, do not celebrate moral victories. Some do. This thread reeks of "I'm a better fan than all of you."

No, I stated the basis of my sportsmanship, and you threw a reference of money and a total lack of consideration for why the OP was presented in the first place...

one might now conclude, that someone never made it past the point where it was stated: You and I are geared in different ways.

But you instead have made it all personal now...and without responding to the why's of my statement. You reassumed a contrary stance but on a personal agenda basis...so, never mind, Buddy.

You haven't heard a single word.
 

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It's no coincidence that this team is finally getting better because Jerry is not making ALL the decisions like he use to. We were an over-rule away from drafting JFF.

I do think Garrett needs to be put on notice. I don't care if this team goes 13-3 every year. When you lose in the 1st round, it's an epic fail.

After the last 20+ years, I can see why people think Jerry owes them. Unlike the Eagles, we don't consider success by how many NFCE Champions banners that hang from the rafters.....
 

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It's no coincidence that this team is finally getting better because Jerry is not making ALL the decisions like he use to. We were an over-rule away from drafting JFF.

I do think Garrett needs to be on notice. I don't care if this team goes 13-3 every year. When you lose in the 1st round, it's an epic fail.

After the last 20+ years, I can see why people think Jerry owes them. Unlike the Eagles, we don't consider success by how many NFCE Champions banners that hang from the rafters.....

Don't rush with the blame here...and as all Cowboys Head Coaches have stated, they got what they wanted unless a discussion had been exhausted. A GM has to pull triggers, because that is how that works. But Jerry has improved over a long time, in listening.
 

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If you dont like the product on the field and want Jones to know it, dont rush out and buy jerseys and other merchadise. Same fans that post there disdain for Jones are sometimes the same ones that brag about there jersey collection.
 

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As much money as I've invested in the Cowboys with season tickets and more, helping Jerry just get richer, he TOTALLY owes me. If I invest money in a car, I expect it to work. If I'm buying stock in a company, I expect returns. If I'm investing money into a house, I don't expect crazy foundation problems. The MAIN reason Jerry owes me is his narcissism have cost us more championships. Having 2 playoff wins in 21 years is pathetic, and the fans have stayed beyond loyal. Jerry owes all of us.

Displayed in that light, you may be correct on Jerry owing you. But the other side of that light is the fact that you are a terrible investor. Again, that is if you are only into this whole fan-gig for the specific return of a championship. If that's why you are here, then investing is not for you.

But the truth is, and I know you know this to be true, every time you jump up and down as Dak, Zeke, Witten, Beasley, Dez, etc. run in for a touchdown or you scream at the top of your lungs in response to an interception or sack or other great defensive play, you are getting a return on your investment. It may not be the return we all hope for, but it is a return nonetheless.

I personally I have to agree with the OP on this one. Jerry really doesn't owe us anything. And that would be true if he wanted to win with this franchise or could care less like the infamous Buc owner of the 80's. Fortunately for us, Jerry does want to win and about 5 years ago started going about that want in a smart and meaningful way. Gone are the days of overpaying for talent past it's prime. Gone are the days of mortgaging the future away trading for suspect talent with premier draft picks. Gone are the days of hiring and firing coaching staff's every 3 years. In place now is an exceptional brain-trust stacking excellent offseasons on top of excellent offseasons.

There are no guarantees, as far as championships. So many factors beyond simply being smart with team management impact the results of games. For us fans to suggest that Jerry owes us a championship is simply asinine. If he could buy a championship, he would. Trouble is he already tried that and failed miserably. So now he is attempting to build one the smart way. It may not yield results this season, but I don't need a championship to enjoy football. One way or the other, this season is going to be fun to watch for a myriad of reasons that don't even take in consideration the scoreboard.

Watching the Cowboys defense this season will be like watching a baby take it's first steps. Transversely, watching the Cowboys offense this year may remind us of the greatest show on turf. Either way, every second of every game will be a return on our fan investment. Of course, that's just how I look at it...you are certainly entitled to believe Jerry owes you if you want. And while I don't believe there is a right or wrong perspective in this, one certainly is action packed with potential misery...and my perspective is not. :thumbup:
 

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Fanship deserves the reward of accomplishment. Putting one's heart, mind and soul into the expectation that your favorite team should become the best franchise of all franchises is a worthwhile honorable dream.

However, those who put in the actual work to become the best are the ones Jerry Jones owes. Jones owes the dedicated players on his team. Jones owes his coaching staff. Even Jones the Owner owes Jones the General Manager.

Hope and entitlement. People have been screwing with the definition of both terms for as long as there have been people.
 

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We are all different, and root for this team in different ways. I, for example, do not celebrate moral victories. Some do. This thread reeks of "I'm a better fan than all of you."

I agree we all want the same thing in the end. I'm not into moral victories per say but I do put things in perspective. If a team went 1-15 in a season and the following year they went 8-8 then yes I am happy with the season because that is a 7 game improvement over the following year and shows they are headed in the right direction. As for the Cowboys I was happy about last season as the Cowboys moved to a rookie at QB and found great success after a poor season the year before. Heading into this season of course expectation are very high.
 

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I agree we all want the same thing in the end. I'm not into moral victories per say but I do put things in perspective. If a team went 1-15 in a season and the following year they went 8-8 then yes I am happy with the season because that is a 7 game improvement over the following year and shows they are headed in the right direction. As for the Cowboys I was happy about last season as the Cowboys moved to a rookie at QB and found great success after a poor season the year before. Heading into this season of course expectation are very high.

I have lived a very serious life. I spent 23 years in service and 17 years in the Postal Service. 40 years as a government worker. More recently, I was an ERT...fire, rescue, recover, hazmat, and confined spaces in extreme industrial setting...Sherwin Aluminum and Citgo.

Morales are what drives a soldier, without a thought, to cover a grenade and to leave no one on the battle field. I won't short sell their values in team building and sacrifice centered arenas.

Sorry, I can't afford walking past the payment elements of those very sacrifices...
 
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