Jerry, Wade and Continuity.

[silver]

you really think Jerry is gonna promote Tecmo to HC? the guy was only a qb coach like 4 years ago.

This is a man who prides himself in finding talent in unusual places. Anybody remembers the defensive lineman he brought in for a tryout during the Jimmy era? He met him at a bar.

 

[Alexander]

i can see this - back at the time who were our choices for HC? the pool just wasn't out there.

so we get calls to fire wade on a weeky basis, some daily, bach, hourly...and it will go on like that because that's what that mindset does.

and does.

and does.

but our choices were wade or norv. i didn't want norv back and while he does well in december, how's jan looking for him?

6 of one, half dozen of the other, ya know?

this time around i think jones has to let it ride. for everyone saying FIRE WADE NOW! they also turn around and scream JONES ONLY HIRES PUPPETS!

well if he did what *they* wanted, then the problem of getting a quality coach in here would be even worse. 8-5 and his overall record what it is and he got fired?

what *smart* person would set themselves up for that?

the NWC is just old and tiresome and i'm starting to see a lot more than me worn out by the constant no-win scenarios they paint every week out of their own frustrations.

I wasn't talking about when Parcells left. I was referring more to the situation last year when everyone was calling for Phillips' head on a platter and Jones was preaching the virtues of continuity.

But since you brought it up, Jones could have chosen someone from the staff (Zimmer, Sparano) but more than anything he wanted a little ability to get things a little further away from the previous four seasons where he admittedly felt uncomfortable.

He was deadset on the 3-4. If there is one thing Coach Parcells did is sell him on it and he had financial entanglements to it (several number one draft picks) to just scrap it. So in a primitive way, Phillips was a logical choice. And yes he was an available choice once Schottenheimer's staff was blown apart.

But make no mistake, he also did not want to have to deal with a coach who he couldn't "work well" with. Turner was close, but he had an issue with Garrett's role.

Phillips was like an ugly girl getting asked to the prom, he was delighted for another chance. He would take Garrett being installed prior to him and even interviewing for the same job.

It was not like there was an exhaustive search. There were a few token ideas like Singletary and Rivera, but I don't believe they were seriously at the front on his mind. He knew what he wanted.

 

[craig71]

Financial reasons were also right there at the forefront. If he truly believes that Wade Phillips is the leader that can bring success through continuous action, he has to be joking.

If anything, I believe he was capitalizing on flavor of the moment. The timing was not right and it sounded good. At least I hope he was lying.

The point is that there are more moving parts than what some people realize.It's not as easy as some would believe,you have to consider the repurcussions of that dismissal and what options are available to you once you decide to dismiss him.

Craig

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I wasn't talking about when Parcells left. I was referring more to the situation last year when everyone was calling for Phillips' head on a platter and Jones was preaching the virtues of continuity.

But since you brought it up, Jones could have chosen someone from the staff (Zimmer, Sparano) but more than anything he wanted a little ability to get things a little further away from the previous four seasons where he admittedly felt uncomfortable.

He was deadset on the 3-4. If there is one thing Coach Parcells did is sell him on it and he had financial entanglements to it (several number one draft picks) to just scrap it. So in a primitive way, Phillips was a logical choice. And yes he was an available choice once Schottenheimer's staff was blown apart.

But make no mistake, he also did not want to have to deal with a coach who he couldn't "work well" with. Turner was close, but he had an issue with Garrett's role.

Phillips was like an ugly girl getting asked to the prom, he was delighted for another chance. He would take Garrett being installed prior to him and even interviewing for the same job.

It was not like there was an exhaustive search. There were a few token ideas like Singletary and Rivera, but I don't believe they were seriously at the front on his mind. He knew what he wanted.

Is that speculation or was there some article or insider stuff posted in the past. I don't recall seeing anything saying that Turner had a Problem with Garrett's role but again I may have missed it.

 

[bbgun]

bb - you can't be this dense. it's not defense of jones, it's knowing we could be right there with you going WAH - HE SUCKS!!!

and NOTHING would change - so why keep doing it?

while there may be some who will come defend jones directly, it's a small minority. the rest of us accept who is he and just put it aside because no billboard, website or screaming YOU'RE A HACK from the street will make jones change.

so when *this* mindset says STOP, it's not defending jones, it's defending our own sanity from the constant CRAP that flys about.

You saw his name, you saw the thread title, and you knew his tendencies, so why take the bait? Oh, and the fact that Jerry refuses to hire a GM does not immunize him from stern criticism. If he screws up a draft, undermines a coach, or says something idiotic in an interview, are we just supposed to shut the **** up and whistle a happy tune? No sale. Instead of fellow board members, who don't have any impact on what transpires on the field or the front office, try directing your anger at those who truly deserve it. Hint: not Steve Dennis or any other patsy-of-the-week.

 

[iceberg]

I wasn't talking about when Parcells left. I was referring more to the situation last year when everyone was calling for Phillips' head on a platter and Jones was preaching the virtues of continuity.

But since you brought it up, Jones could have chosen someone from the staff (Zimmer, Sparano) but more than anything he wanted a little ability to get things a little further away from the previous four seasons where he admittedly felt uncomfortable.

He was deadset on the 3-4. If there is one thing Coach Parcells did is sell him on it and he had financial entanglements to it (several number one draft picks) to just scrap it. So in a primitive way, Phillips was a logical choice. And yes he was an available choice once Schottenheimer's staff was blown apart.

But make no mistake, he also did not want to have to deal with a coach who he couldn't "work well" with. Turner was close, but he had an issue with Garrett's role.

Phillips was like an ugly girl getting asked to the prom, he was delighted for another chance. He would take Garrett being installed prior to him and even interviewing for the same job.

It was not like there was an exhaustive search. There were a few token ideas like Singletary and Rivera, but I don't believe they were seriously at the front on his mind. He knew what he wanted.

gotcha - sorry for my psuedo derailment.

at the time, and even now, i wanted singletary. outside of that i can't argue much of what you're saying, it's pretty dead on to me.

 

[iceberg]

You saw his name, you saw the thread title, and you knew his tendencies, so why take the bait? Oh, and the fact that Jerry refuses to hire a GM does not immunize him from stern criticism. If he screws up a draft, undermines a coach, or says something idiotic in an interview, are we just supposed to shut the **** up and whistle a happy tune? No sale. Instead of fellow board members, who don't have any impact on what transpires on the field or the front office, try directing your anger at those who truly deserve it. Hint: not Steve Dennis or any other patsies-of-the-week.

they're people on tv to me, bb. i save my anger and deep-rooted emotions for things i can control.

others seem to just get off on screaming HE SUCKS w/o that ever accomplishing a thing.

fyi - i don't give a monkey-flung-poo-turd about the media either and the whining about them is just as old.

 

[Rampage]

Well he was considering hiring him as HC before he hired wade and that was before he even had an OC time.

This is a man who prides himself in finding talent in unusual places. Anybody remembers the defensive lineman he brought in for a tryout during the Jimmy era? He met him at a bar.

so depressing. I feel this long drought without any success is gonna continue for a really long time.

 

[Alexander]

Is that speculation or was there some article or insider stuff posted in the past. I don't recall seeing anything saying that Turner had a Problem with Garrett's role but again I may have missed it.

I have read on several occasions that he was not comfortable with letting Garrett call plays for his offense. Could be speculation, but since he really does not and has not had Clarence Shelmon calling plays for him in San Diego, it makes sense.

 

[bbgun]

they're people on tv to me, bb. i save my anger and deep-rooted emotions for things i can control.

others seem to just get off on screaming HE SUCKS w/o that ever accomplishing a thing.

fyi - i don't give a monkey-flung-poo-turd about the media either and the whining about them is just as old.

"Hell is other people." -- Jean-Paul Sartre

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have read on several occasions that he was not comfortable with letting Garrett call plays for his offense. Could be speculation, but since he really does not and has not had Clarence Shelmon calling plays for him in San Diego, it makes sense.

Thanks...I had not heard anything so I was curious.

Sounds a little bit like the whole Capers and previous DC here (guy was not here long enough where I can even remember his name).

Speaking of which.

If, or should I say When, JG is named HC I wonder who will be brought in to run the Defense. I would imagine Jerry would want to stick with the 3-4.

 

[iceberg]

"Hell is other people." -- Jean-Paul Sartre

great - now we must suffer the french writings...

 

[Alexander]

The point is that there are more moving parts than what some people realize.It's not as easy as some would believe,you have to consider the repurcussions of that dismissal and what options are available to you once you decide to dismiss him.

Craig

The finances of firing a coach mean much more in today's economic climate.

I can appreciate that.

But since Phillips will be off the books at the end of this year, there is no excuse.

This is nothing like 2007 when there was not the likes of Holmgren, Dungy, Cowher, Gruden or Shanahan available. There are a variety of outstanding options.

It is all up to Jones and his comfort level with the coach (and their's with him) ultimately. How much is he willing to give up? That is another fact (or "moving part") that people need to come to grips with.

 

[iceberg]

The finances of firing a coach mean much more in today's economic climate.

I can appreciate that.

But since Phillips will be off the books at the end of this year, there is no excuse.

This is nothing like 2007 when there was not the likes of Holmgren, Dungy, Cowher, Gruden or Shanahan available. There are a variety of outstanding options.

It is all up to Jones and his comfort level with the coach (and their's with him) ultimately. How much is he willing to give up? That is another fact (or "moving part") that people need to come to grips with.

agreed - i think jones wanted to also ride out the contract. his rep is bad enough as it is from his own actions to date than to compound the problem by becoming worse than snyder.

 

[Bach]

You know it is going to happen, you can feel it in your bones.

But the bright side is...we can pound our chests and say we told you so and still complain about Jerry.:

enguin:

(I'm not sure how it's relevant, but I've never used that one before)

some day i'll figure out why you need to vent the "jones sucks" thread so often. there isn't a person who's ever even heard of the internet who doesn't know your thoughts on it so why keep pounding it?

Because.it.keeps.happening.

And, this "continuity" thing made no sense when what was taking place was abject failure.

I think part of the reason for bringing Wade back for year three was the fact that Jerry later regretted giving up on Gailey after two seasons.He didn't want to do to Wade what he had done to Gailey.I'm sure there are more reasons for Wade being allowed to stay after the Philly meltdown but that was one of them.


Craig

It wouldn't surprise me at all. Jerry making another mistake in order to somehow rectify a previous mistake. That man is just full of brilliance!

A tad premature. Another meltdown may be in progress, but nothing "official" yet. In any event, brace yourself for another edition of "People not named Jerry Jones getting offended on behalf of Jerry Jones" -- the Zone's longest-running comedy.

:laugh2:

 

[craig71]

The finances of firing a coach mean much more in today's economic climate.

I can appreciate that.

But since Phillips will be off the books at the end of this year, there is no excuse.

This is nothing like 2007 when there was not the likes of Holmgren, Dungy, Cowher, Gruden or Shanahan available. There are a variety of outstanding options.

It is all up to Jones and his comfort level with the coach (and their's with him) ultimately. How much is he willing to give up? That is another fact (or "moving part") that people need to come to grips with.

I think Stephen may be the wildcard in what happens here as well.

I think Holmgren goes back to Seattle or winds up in Cleveland,I think he wants more of a GM role.

I think Dungy likes his role as an announcer.

Cowher is overrated in my opinion.

I don't think Gruden would be a good match and think he's content at ESPN.

Shanahan was 24-24 in his last three years in Denver with only one playoff victory post Elway.

Craig

 

[Bach]

If, or should I say When, JG is named HC I wonder who will be brought in to run the Defense. I would imagine Jerry would want to stick with the 3-4.

No idea, but one thing is for sure - it'll be Jerry hiring him and not Garrett.

 

[silver]

If, or should I say When, JG is named HC I wonder who will be brought in to run the Defense. I would imagine Jerry would want to stick with the 3-4.

We could always talk Jimmy out of retirement to appease the masses. He was good at converting attacking OLB's into very nasty DE's in his time. Anybody remembers Haley and Tolbert?

Hey, one can dream, can't I? It's free said Blondie.

 

[iceberg]

enguin:

(I'm not sure how it's relevant, but I've never used that one before)

Because.it.keeps.happening.

And, this "continuity" thing made no sense when what was taking place was abject failure.

jones sucking or your whining about it? they seem to be a matched set like a samsung washer dryer combo.

if you know jones sucks and will never be a good gm, then what good does it do to start thread after thread to point out his suckiness?

we know he sucks and he's never going to change. you may as well post 2-3 times a week that son of a ***** Sun came up again, how dare it cause they're both gonna do what they do.

 

[Vintage]

I look forward to your next Jerry sucks thread, tomorrow.

Should be equally imaginative/creative/original.





edit: Jerry sucks.