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I need 5 greatest plays in his career... or just great moments?

I have two right off the top of my head.

1. The "flip" to get Giambi at the plate.
2. The "dive" into the stands to make catch.
 

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You listed the two biggest in my book...

You could add the "Meier home-run" and the November HR.

Great player. Wasn't outstanding in any one area– Just good to very good in a number of areas.

I was just never a huge fan.
 

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You listed the two biggest in my book...

You could add the "Meier home-run" and the November HR.

Great player. Wasn't outstanding in any one area– Just good to very good in a number of areas.

I was just never a huge fan.



As a "whole" ... he is the greatest shortstop of all time.
Conventionality (by which his "good to very good to greatness debate" is measured by)belongs to yesterday.
 

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As a "whole" ... he is the greatest shortstop of all time.
Conventionality (by which his "good to very good to greatness debate" is measured by)belongs to yesterday.

You're more enamored with him than I am... Which is what sport-fandom is all about!
 

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Screw what he did on the field........


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You're more enamored with him than I am... Which is what sport-fandom is all about!


Actually, I'm not.

I just recognize things. Out of the box recognition.


The guy set the table.
The guy cleared the table.

Everthing he did was for team win.. Aikman-like.... and it showed!


GOAT
 

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Actually, I'm not.

I just recognize things. Out of the box recognition.


The guy set the table.
The guy cleared the table.

Everthing he did was for team win.. Aikman-like.... and it showed!


GOAT

Yeah, I could see the Aikman thing.

Personally I find Mantle to be much more interesting.
 

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Great player, great Yankee but not the GOAT IMO.

Red may mean the greatest SS of all time, which there's probably some merit to that.

I think Honus Wagner could still merit some consideration but I understand the Jeter thing.

The thing is (at least in my opinion) ARod was a better all around SS than Jeter... And he willingly moved to 3B for the Yankees which short-circuited his career as a SS.

Yeah I know ARod has loads of "baggage" to his legacy, but IMO he was both a better defensive player than Jeter and as a hitter, ARod was flat out superior.
 

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Red may mean the greatest SS of all time, which there's probably some merit to that.

I think Honus Wagner could still merit some consideration but I understand the Jeter thing.

The thing is (at least in my opinion) ARod was a better all around SS than Jeter... And he willingly moved to 3B for the Yankees which short-circuited his career as a SS.

Yeah I know ARod has loads of "baggage" to his legacy, but IMO he was both a better defensive player than Jeter and as a hitter, ARod was flat out superior.

Right, I think he does mean greatest SS of all time and I can understand why any conversation on that subject might include Jeter, he is definitely on the short list. ARod was certainly in the running to displace Wagner, who IMO was the greatest as well, early on in his career. However, I think he gets much, to much credit, for moving over to 3rd base. Here is what I think about ARod: I think that if he had decided to simply play ball and not do all of the things he eventually did do in order to chase the long ball power, he probably does end up being the greatest SS of all time. However, that is not what he did. He traded that for power by doing all the things he did to change his body to allow for more power. Once that process started, he started moving away from his natural abilities and eventually becoming the greatest SS of all time. That was his choice and I believe it cost him. While both players eventually declined in the later years, I believe that ARod's abilities were basically masked by moving to third base. I believe that Jeter played longer and better at SS then would have ARod. ARod was in serious decline for the last several years, in terms of his ability to field his position. If you look at his Range Stats, later in his career, you will see that they fall off dramatically. Now, you can attribute some of this to position change but not all of it. With Jeter, you didn't have that. He played his position at a very high efficiency level for most of his career.

IMO, Wagner, Banks, Ripkin, Ozzie, Yount, Larkin, Conception, Bowa and a few others, along with Jeter and ARod, are in the discussion but IMO, it's still Wagner.

JMO
 

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Right, I think he does mean greatest SS of all time and I can understand why any conversation on that subject might include Jeter, he is definitely on the short list. ARod was certainly in the running to displace Wagner, who IMO was the greatest as well, early on in his career. However, I think he gets much, to much credit, for moving over to 3rd base. Here is what I think about ARod: I think that if he had decided to simply play ball and not do all of the things he eventually did do in order to chase the long ball power, he probably does end up being the greatest SS of all time. However, that is not what he did. He traded that for power by doing all the things he did to change his body to allow for more power. Once that process started, he started moving away from his natural abilities and eventually becoming the greatest SS of all time. That was his choice and I believe it cost him. While both players eventually declined in the later years, I believe that ARod's abilities were basically masked by moving to third base. I believe that Jeter played longer and better at SS then would have ARod. ARod was in serious decline for the last several years, in terms of his ability to field his position. If you look at his Range Stats, later in his career, you will see that they fall off dramatically. Now, you can attribute some of this to position change but not all of it. With Jeter, you didn't have that. He played his position at a very high efficiency level for most of his career.

IMO, Wagner, Banks, Ripkin, Ozzie, Yount, Larkin, Conception, Bowa and a few others, along with Jeter and ARod, are in the discussion but IMO, it's still Wagner.

JMO

That's a good list.

And yeah, Cal might be a shade better than Jeter also.
 

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Red may mean the greatest SS of all time, which there's probably some merit to that.

I think Honus Wagner could still merit some consideration but I understand the Jeter thing.

The thing is (at least in my opinion) ARod was a better all around SS than Jeter... And he willingly moved to 3B for the Yankees which short-circuited his career as a SS.

Yeah I know ARod has loads of "baggage" to his legacy, but IMO he was both a better defensive player than Jeter and as a hitter, ARod was flat out superior.


Yes, that's what I meant. :)

While I will concede just about all on AROD being "greater" on all things.... I will not concede that he was bigger in big moments. The game slowed down for jeter... his own doing.... not the case for AROD.

The pressure got to him more than it didn't.

For that reason I give jeter the intangible/pressure points.



Right, I think he does mean greatest SS of all time and I can understand why any conversation on that subject might include Jeter, he is definitely on the short list. ARod was certainly in the running to displace Wagner, who IMO was the greatest as well, early on in his career. However, I think he gets much, to much credit, for moving over to 3rd base. Here is what I think about ARod: I think that if he had decided to simply play ball and not do all of the things he eventually did do in order to chase the long ball power, he probably does end up being the greatest SS of all time. However, that is not what he did. He traded that for power by doing all the things he did to change his body to allow for more power. Once that process started, he started moving away from his natural abilities and eventually becoming the greatest SS of all time. That was his choice and I believe it cost him. While both players eventually declined in the later years, I believe that ARod's abilities were basically masked by moving to third base. I believe that Jeter played longer and better at SS then would have ARod. ARod was in serious decline for the last several years, in terms of his ability to field his position. If you look at his Range Stats, later in his career, you will see that they fall off dramatically. Now, you can attribute some of this to position change but not all of it. With Jeter, you didn't have that. He played his position at a very high efficiency level for most of his career.

IMO, Wagner, Banks, Ripkin, Ozzie, Yount, Larkin, Conception, Bowa and a few others, along with Jeter and ARod, are in the discussion but IMO, it's still Wagner.

JMO


Yes. AROD was, I believe, a natural super freak. He was going to have a lot of records and homeruns. Regardless of using stuff. He altered his legacy IMO.

Other shortstops were better at the position, like the ones you mentioned, but like I said igrade jeter on a more complete grading system.

That's just me.



That's a good list.

And yeah, Cal might be a shade better than Jeter also.


Any time Cal is asked about Jeter he ALWAYS refers to Jeter being fortunate to being on those great teams.
The thing is... he made those teams better too.... and their is no guarantee that Cal comes up big as often as jeter did in post season. Same goes for the other SS you mentioned.
 

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  1. The flip to nail Jeremy Giambi at home plate in the 2001 ALDS.
  2. Game winning home run off of Byung-Hyun Kim in Game 4 of the 2001 World Series.
  3. Home run off of Al Leiter to lead off Game 5 of the 2000 World Series, capping an MVP performance.
  4. Dive into the stands to catch a foul ball in the 2004 game against the Red Sox.
  5. The Jeffrey Maier aided home run off of Armando Benitez in the 1996 AL Championship Series against the Orioles.
I put the 1996 homer lower because of how egregious the interference was.
 

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  1. The flip to nail Jeremy Giambi at home plate in the 2001 ALDS.
  2. Game winning home run off of Byung-Hyun Kim in Game 4 of the 2001 World Series.
  3. Home run off of Al Leiter to lead off Game 5 of the 2000 World Series, capping an MVP performance.
  4. Dive into the stands to catch a foul ball in the 2004 game against the Red Sox.
  5. The Jeffrey Maier aided home run off of Armando Benitez in the 1996 AL Championship Series against the Orioles.
I put the 1996 homer lower because of how egregious the interference was.



If you look close at the trajectory of the ball... he was never gonna catch..... oh, shoot... never mind lol

It was bad on replay but in real time I could see how an umpire made the mistake.

Cowboys and Yankees have gotten screwed on calls... so I learned to live with that egregion! Lo

Good list, thanks!
 

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