Jets Revis to the bucs agreement in principle

[Shunpike]

How is it a stupid move? Revis is one of the best players in the entire league. There's not a single player in this draft who even has that kind of potential.

He is maybe one of the best who has ever played as a CB but you just don't give up that much money(ok no guaranteed makes some sense) to a CB. 16 mil per year if he stays healthy. And total Cap is 125 mil. Wow. Just wow. Jets couldn't get what they hoped for, apparently they were looking for 3 picks but still 13th pick this year is going to help them a lot. 9th and 13th. They can trade both to get 4 or 5 picks for next year which will be a loaded draft per many. They will also have a few comp picks due to their lost free agents.

 

[Risen Star]

It's a terrible decision. You do not build a great defense by selling out in the secondary. Particularly at CB.

 

[TheFinisher]

It's a terrible decision. You do not build a great defense by selling out in the secondary. Particularly at CB.

Well that's not true because the secondary, especially Revis, is the main reason the jets have had a perennial top 5 D since Rex got there. How many double digit sack guys have they had since then? Exactly 0.

 

[Risen Star]

Well that's not true because the secondary, especially Revis, is the main reason the jets have had a perennial top 5 D since Rex got there. How many double digit sack guys have they had since then? Exactly 0.

Rex blitzed far more than any DC in the league. He doesn't rely on coverage to win. If he did, he's simply sit back and out cover people. His goal is to get to the QB as quickly as possible. That's not leading with your secondary.

Not to mention he just traded away his star CB. So he just told you how critical he is to his defense.

I'm amazed that there are still Cowboys fans who don't realize paying big money or using high draft picks on cornerbacks doesn't change anything.

 

[Risen Star]

And why are talking about the Jets like they are some great defense? He had more success in Baltimore when he had pass rushers. Until he finds those pass rushers, he won't have the same type of defense in New York.

 

[viman96]

Jets are really setting themselves up for 2014. Be interesting to see what they do with all the extra pics.

 

[Rack]

Well that's not true because the secondary, especially Revis, is the main reason the jets have had a perennial top 5 D since Rex got there. How many double digit sack guys have they had since then? Exactly 0.

2012: 8th in total defense
2011: 5th in total defense (6 players with 3 or more sacks)
2010: 3rd in total defense (4th in rushing yards, a good running game is a defense's best friend. They also had 7 players with 3 or more sacks)
2009: 1st in total defense (They were also 1st in rushing... again, a defense's best friend.)


Not saying their secondary didn't help, but not more than the running game and a solid output of sacks from several players.

I'll take a Top 10 front 4 over a top 10 secondary ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.

 

[Shunpike]

Jets are really setting themselves up for 2014. Be interesting to see what they do with all the extra pics.

I am kind of jelous of their picks next year. If I am correct they will have 3 comp picks next year on top of Tampa's 3rd or 4th. If they somehow trade down one of their first round picks this year for a few mid round picks next year, they will have around 13-14 picks.

Assuming they will get rid of Sanchez and Rex next year, the new coach will have his chance of building his team thru draft.

 

[viman96]

I believe the ESPN article said they will have 4 comp pics and the 3rd/4th rd pick for Revis in 2014. Combine that with the extra cap space and you can see the Jets are putting themselves in positon to make a move next year.

 

[Hoofbite]

I believe the ESPN article said they will have 4 comp pics and the 3rd/4th rd pick for Revis in 2014. Combine that with the extra cap space and you can see the Jets are putting themselves in positon to make a move next year.

Not sure how they'd get comp picks. Unless you meant the picks traded to them.

 

[viman96]

I do not know the particulars either but this is what they said in the article.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...ets-trade-darrelle-revis-tampa-bay-buccaneers

Meanwhile, New York is positioning itself well for 2014, when the Jets are expected to receive four compensatory picks to go along with the Buccaneers' pick, meaning the Jets will have a bounty of selections to try to turn around their roster.

And they will do it with added salary-cap space, too. Revis will count $12 million against the Jets' cap this season but nothing in 2014, when New York will be primed with a great chance to upgrade its talent.

 

[Shunpike]

Not sure how they'd get comp picks. Unless you meant the picks traded to them.

This is what I found. Please click on the link for details.

http://forums.newyorkjets.com/showthread.php?t=14596

LaRon Landry lost to free agency
Mike DeVito lost to free agency
Yeremiah Bell lost to free agency
Shonn Greene lost to free agency
Dustin Keller lost to free agency
Matt Slauson lost to free agency
Brandon Moore lost to free agency

And they will do it with added salary-cap space, too. Revis will count $12 million against the Jets' cap this season but nothing in 2014, when New York will be primed with a great chance to upgrade its talent.

They will also get rid of Sanchez. Don't know the details but I believe Sanchez cap hit for next year will be minimal if he is released after this year.

 

[TheFinisher]

Rex blitzed far more than any DC in the league. He doesn't rely on coverage to win. If he did, he's simply sit back and out cover people. His goal is to get to the QB as quickly as possible. That's not leading with your secondary.

Not to mention he just traded away his star CB. So he just told you how critical he is to his defense.

I'm amazed that there are still Cowboys fans who don't realize paying big money or using high draft picks on cornerbacks doesn't change anything.

You're missing the mark.

He can blitz that much BECAUSE he has those cover guys who can handle playing on an island.

He also HAS to blitz to get to the QB because they don't have pass rushers that can win 1-on-1 matchups on a consistent basis.

This is because he's put a premium on secondary play over pass rushers.

Now the opposite end of the spectrum. When the Giants have that DL going they never blitz, they let that front 4 do the dirty work while they drop 7 in coverage.

Two different approaches, both equally effective. There's more than one way to build a good pass defense.

 

[Risen Star]

You're missing the mark.

He can blitz that much BECAUSE he has those cover guys who can handle playing on an island.

He also HAS to blitz to get to the QB because they don't have pass rushers that can win 1-on-1 matchups on a consistent basis.

This is because he's put a premium on secondary play over pass rushers.

Now the opposite end of the spectrum. When the Giants have that DL going they never blitz, they let that front 4 do the dirty work while they drop 7 in coverage.

Two different approaches, both equally effective. There's more than one way to build a good pass defense.

Disagree. That's the spin, but it's not accurate.

When you blitz that much, your cover guys become even less important. The less time you have to cover, the easier it is, the less great coverage ability matters. Rex does not run his defense through his secondary. He runs it through the most aggressive blitz schemes the league has ever seen. The secondary doesn't allow the blitzing. The blitz allows you to cover up your secondary.

Rex spoke with this trade. Revis is so important to his scheme that he just sent him to Tampa Bay. He knows what he's been doing in New York is smoke and mirrors. He can't really have a sustainable great defense until he finds pass rushers and builds his D the right way.

I've never seen a great defense led by it's secondary. So I don't know what you mean about more than one way to build a good pass defense.

 

[Aikmaniac]

It's a terrible decision. You do not build a great defense by selling out in the secondary. Particularly at CB.

Don't forget the acquisition of Goldson.

Revis, Goldson, Barron, and a much cheaper Eric Wright.

Not too shabby especially with Clayborn coming back from injury, McCoy coming into his own, and Bowers getting into the swing of things.

The Bucs had one of the worst passing defenses in history. They are attending to it in a very aggressive fashion.

 

[DFWJC]

Done deal.

6 years, 96 million

Jets get the 13th pick and a conditonal 3rd or 4th rounder in 2014
Bucs get Revis and contract

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...ets-trade-darrelle-revis-tampa-bay-buccaneers


When you take into account the 13th pick and the enormous contract cost, this adds up to a very expensive deal for TB.

Having said that, I'm sure it'll be nice having in intheir secondary when they face those pass happy division rivals.

 

[joseephuss]

Ah, I heard it was a 2nd.

A first would help us though cuz the Jets don't need OL.

I don't agree. I think the Jets need OL help. They may not go that direction, but they could improve their trenches.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Whatever. I'm just glad he stayed out of the NFC East (although I would like to see him match up with Dez again).

 

[Ultimategamer5567]

Done deal.

6 years, 96 million

Jets get the 13th pick and a conditonal 3rd or 4th rounder in 2014
Bucs get Revis and contract

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...ets-trade-darrelle-revis-tampa-bay-buccaneers

When you take into account the 13th pick and the enormous contract cost, this adds up to a very expensive deal for TB.
Having said that, I'm sure it'll be nice having in intheir secondary when they face those pass happy division rivals.

What the heck are they smoking in Tampa?

 

[DallasJ7]

I don't agree. I think the Jets need OL help. They may not go that direction, but they could improve their trenches.

I'm with you. This isn't good for the Boys grabbing one of the two elite guards, imo. The Jets' two biggest needs (besides QB) are pass rusher and OL. And assuming there isn't any trading up/down, the Jets are in good position to take a pass rusher and Warmack/Cooper. The Jets will wait out one more year with Sanchez, and then pick a QB in 2014 if things continue as is.

Of course it's certainly possible the Jets go pass rusher/Tavon Austin or something.