Jim Mora: UCLA QB Josh Rosen would have gone No. 1 in NFL Draft

[tyke1doe]

Yeah lets not try to pretend that Henry is not talented and did not deserve a second round grade. I would also say that when you are talking NFL coaching experience Jim Mora trumps all most all other college coaches with very few exceptions.
When was the last time a coach said that about a player that will be with him for at least 2 more years? He had no reason to give this kid a big head.

Saban thought Henry should have been a first-round pick.

Alabama football coach Nick Saban said he was shocked that running back Derrick Henry lasted until the 45th overall pick in the second round of the NFL draft, when the Titans selected the hulking Heisman Trophy winner.

“I was, because I have a completely different opinion and bias for a guy who’s been so productive and done so much for us,” Saban said during a radio interview Wednesday with ESPN 102.5 The Game.

“I knew there was a lot of sentiment out there about style, doesn’t fit the mold of some of the runners,” Saban said. “And you know how people in the league are. They want to sort of categorize everybody. These are the guys that had success in the past so let’s find another guy like that. Sometimes there’s somebody that breaks the mold out there, and I think Derrick Henry is that kind of guy.”

And what makes Jim Mora more credible than Nick Saban, who not only coached in the NFL but is a great talent evaluator who continues to pump out NFL players?

My point is that coaches can sometimes be bias too. Often, they like to pump sunshine.

If you feel Mora is telling the truth, fine. But it's also quite possible that he's hyping his guy.

 

[tyke1doe]

He was a freshman...

Understood. But that's why I say he wouldn't have been the top choice in the draft, certainly not over Goff. Now, if he improves in a few years, yes. Quite possible.

But I thought this discussion was about whether Rosen would have gone No. 1 if he had come out last year. I say, "No, he wouldn't have."

He's suffering from coach hype and the "Cardale Jones" syndrome. Give him a few more years, and we'll see what happens.

 

[texbumthelife]

Saban thought Henry should have been a first-round pick.



And what makes Jim Mora more credible than Nick Saban, who not only coached in the NFL but is a great talent evaluator who continues to pump out NFL players?

Just going to poke my nose in here real quick, but Mora was arguably more successful as an NFL coach and talent evaluator than Saban, and has put out some damn fine pros from college too.

/Kanye speech

 

[tyke1doe]

Just going to poke my nose in here real quick, but Mora was arguably more successful as an NFL coach and talent evaluator than Saban, and has put out some damn fine pros from college too.

/Kanye speech

And for all his "success" he achieved exactly what?
His teams never made a Super Bowl. So for all his talent evaluation, he either couldn't coach his team to their full potential because he couldn't take that talent to the ultimate game, or he wasn't as great a talent evaluator as you and others say he is.

Meanwhile, Saban has at least produced a winning record in his time with the Dolphins (9-7) and has gone on to win five college national championships, four in 10 years with the University of Alabama.

Clearly, either the man can coach or he can evaluate talent or both.

But even he isn't immune to hyperbole - which is my basic point.

Be that as it may, let me ask you directly: Do you think the freshman Rosen, if he had come out in this draft (assuming that would have been possible), would have been the first player taken in the draft?

 

[texbumthelife]

And for all his "success" he achieved exactly what?
His teams never made a Super Bowl. So for all his talent evaluation, he either couldn't coach because he wouldn't take that talent to the ultimate game, or he wasn't as great a talent evaluator as you say he is.

Meanwhile, Saban at least produced a winning record in his time with the Dolphins (9-7) but has gone on to win five national titles in college, four in 10 years with the University of Alabama.

Clearly, either the man can coach or he can evaluate talent or both.

But even he isn't immune to hyperbole - which is my basic point.

Be that as it may, let me ask you directly: Do you think the freshman Rosen, if he had come out in this draft (assuming that would have been possible), would have been the first player taken in the draft?

Nick Saban had a 15-17 NFL record. Jim Mora was 32-34 and at least won the NFC South once with an 11-5 record (that's better than 9-7 ). Not arguing Nick Saban's ability as a coach, just poking some holes in your argument against Mora . Also, in the college ranks, being a talent evaluator and a recruiter are two dramatically different things. You can excel at one or the other and look like a wizard at both. Once again, I am not knocking Saban at all, just debating with you.

Yes, I think Rosen could have been the #1 pick in this draft. By all intents, Wentz and Goff rose to being possible #1 (and eventual #1 in the case of Goff) picks due to their post season work leading up to the draft. I think Rosen is as gifted a passer as Goff, but a much better athlete and could have really shined in workouts.

I don't know if that's more an indictment of how weak the 2016 draft class was (I said from day one there wasn't a top-5 QB in the draft and still believe it), or how great of a talent Rosen was as a freshman.

I certainly don't think it's any stretch to think Rosen could have been the first overall pick.

 

[tyke1doe]

Nick Saban had a 15-17 NFL record. Jim Mora was 32-34 and at least won the NFC South once with an 11-5 record (that's better than 9-7 ). Not arguing Nick Saban's ability as a coach, just poking some holes in your argument against Mora . Also, in the college ranks, being a talent evaluator and a recruiter are two dramatically different things. You can excel at one or the other and look like a wizard at both. Once again, I am not knocking Saban at all, just debating with you.

Yes, I think Rosen could have been the #1 pick in this draft. By all intents, Wentz and Goff rose to being possible #1 (and eventual #1 in the case of Goff) picks due to their post season work leading up to the draft. I think Rosen is as gifted a passer as Goff, but a much better athlete and could have really shined in workouts.

I don't know if that's more an indictment of how weak the 2016 draft class was (I said from day one there wasn't a top-5 QB in the draft and still believe it), or how great of a talent Rosen was as a freshman.

I certainly don't think it's any stretch to think Rosen could have been the first overall pick.

I think it's a stretch. But I don't want to fall out with you or anyone over this issue. So I respect your opinion and agree to disagree.

 

[texbumthelife]

I think it's a stretch. But I don't want to fall out with you or anyone over this issue. So I respect your opinion and agree to disagree.

Haha no falling out. I am just playing devil's advocate

 

[tyke1doe]

Haha no falling out. I am just playing devil's advocate

Okay, SAYtan!

 

[Direwolf63]

Haha no falling out. I am just playing devil's advocate

Well that was a disappointing end. I was hoping for an all out Internet brawl.

 

[texbumthelife]

Well that was a disappointing end. I was hoping for an all out Internet brawl.

Ain't nobody got time for THAT

 

[knightrider94]

Nick Saban had a 15-17 NFL record. Jim Mora was 32-34 and at least won the NFC South once with an 11-5 record (that's better than 9-7 ). Not arguing Nick Saban's ability as a coach, just poking some holes in your argument against Mora . Also, in the college ranks, being a talent evaluator and a recruiter are two dramatically different things. You can excel at one or the other and look like a wizard at both. Once again, I am not knocking Saban at all, just debating with you.

Yes, I think Rosen could have been the #1 pick in this draft. By all intents, Wentz and Goff rose to being possible #1 (and eventual #1 in the case of Goff) picks due to their post season work leading up to the draft. I think Rosen is as gifted a passer as Goff, but a much better athlete and could have really shined in workouts.

I don't know if that's more an indictment of how weak the 2016 draft class was (I said from day one there wasn't a top-5 QB in the draft and still believe it), or how great of a talent Rosen was as a freshman.

I certainly don't think it's any stretch to think Rosen could have been the first overall pick.

Hypothetical: if Goff, Wentz, Rosen, Watson, Mahomes and Kelly would have all come out this year, in which order do you think they would be drafted?

 

[KB1122]

Can he run?

 

[Cowboy06]

Who was the last UCLA QB we selected? Did it work out well?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Hypothetical: if Goff, Wentz, Rosen, Watson, Mahomes and Kelly would have all come out this year, in which order do you think they would be drafted?

My guess would be Rosen, Goff, Watson, Wentz, and Kelly and Mahomes would be fighting for that 5th spot

 

[texbumthelife]

Hypothetical: if Goff, Wentz, Rosen, Watson, Mahomes and Kelly would have all come out this year, in which order do you think they would be drafted?

I would have expected Watson to go#1. Then it would have been a toss up 2a Rosen, 2b Goff. 3 Mahomes. 4 Wentz. 5 Kelly.