Jimmy Johnson v. Parcells (w/ same talent)

[dbair1967]

I don't know if we'd be 7-0 with Jimma, but I do agree that Jimmy is a better gameday coach.

so do I...by alot

like I said in another thread, Parcells loves "ugly ball" but if you dont have a defense that can finish people and dont have a good kicking game, you are screwed...we dont have either

David

 

[THUMPER]

that Jimmy played to WIN and Tuna plays not to lose! I'm sick of it! We had EVERY opportunity to put this game away and didn't!

I've been saying that since Parcells got here, he plays "not to lose" rather than "playing to win" and it just doesn't work.

The one time this season we came out firing was against the Eagles and we crushed them. Every other game has been close as we have stuck with this methodical, predictable, conservative, ball-control junk that looks good on the stat sheet because we have held the ball all day and denied the other team many opportunities but the game is won by the team scoring the most points not who had the ball the longest. Parcells has yet to figure that out.

Parcells and many others keep blaming these losses on the players saying that if they would only execute correctly then we would be winning. Well that is true but it is also an impossible expectation and one which Bill should know is unreasonable.

This is essentially a young team either in terms of the experience in the NFL or with each other, they haven't played long together. To expect them to execute plays perfectly every time is not reasonable. With a young team you have to utilize their strengths which are energy, enthusiasm, and raw talent. When you force them to play conservatively you take their strengths away and they end up worrying more about making mistakes than about making plays.

A team full of veterans can play this conservative approach and be successful with it because they are disciplined and play within the structure of the scheme. Younger players haven't learned all the nuances of the scheme yet and need to be turned loose until they do otherwise you just waste their talent and squander opportunities.

I guess you could say that the more the players play in Parcells scheme the sooner they will become those veteran who can play it successfully but in the meantime we are losing games we should be winning and squandering yet another season.

What Parcells REALLY needs is a true OC who will run the offense while Parcells manages the team and stays out of the playcalling. Sean Payton isn't that guy.

 

[jman]

We would be 7-0 right now with Jimmy Johnson calling the shots.

We would have stepped on the Commanders... would have been up 28-0 rather than 13-0 (their last minute heroics would not have happened, or would have been irrelevant)

Oakland (we would have scored 1st and goal at the 2)

Today... is there any doubt Jimmy would come away from 1st and goal inside the 10 TWICE with more than 3 points?! WhoTF runs it 6 times in that situation?! :bang2:

Now we go from the driver's seat in the NFC east to the cellar.

Granted we need a kicker, but again, Jimmy would not have a 'Cortez' type kicker (and whoever the $&%# snapper we have) controlling our kicking game (if you can call it a kicking game).

As true as it may be, it is totally irrevelant.

Lets live in the present...Not the past...Okie Dokie?

Thanks....

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Jimmys gone get over it

Ding Ding Ding

 

[Yeagermeister]

Hudson Hauck was responsible for those olines not Jimmy.

 

[NovaCowboy]

Hudson Hauck was responsible for those olines not Jimmy.

So what exactly is a HC responsible for? How do you know Jimmy didnt make Hauck the coach he is today?

This really is all irrelavent. All I know is, if Parcells thinks this is the 2000 Baltimore Ravens defense and he can win by scoring 10 points a game and controlling the ball, he's wrong.

 

[dbair1967]

Hudson Hauck was responsible for those olines not Jimmy.

actually it was Tony Wise from 89-92...he left afterwards with Wannstedt

David

 

[wileedog]

Miami is irrelevant. Mediocre talent when he coached there 96-99.

That 'mediocre talent' had gone to the playoffs the two years prior to Jimmy getting there. It was nothing resembling the mess Bill inherited when he came here.

Jimmy did absolutely nothing in Miami, and in fact Wannestedt when 11-5 the next two years after Jimmy left with the same 'mediocre talent'.

This revisionist history is ridiculous. The only thing Jimmy had as a Cowboy that Bill doesn't is a dependable offensive line, not to mention a HOF QB, RB and WR.

 

[CowboysRule!]

Whaaa happened in Miami with Jimmy? He had similar talent there to these Cowboys.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

The bottom line is that the PLAYERS didn't execute when they had to. I hate the "playing not to lose" philosophy as much as anyone, but how can you make that accusation when, on 3rd & 7 @ their own 44, with 13 seconds remaining, a fairly deep pass play is called to Glenn. IMHO, once the situation got down to having to throw a 30-35 yard pass completion & call a quick timeout to have any chance at making a field goal, (especially w/Cortez), you take a knee, and go into overtime. That's not "playing not to lose", that's playing the odds. The odds were that the 'Hawks' would have 6-7 DBs playing 20-25 yards off the line of scrimmage. Those don't sound like my kind of odds.
So if you want to blame BP for anything, on that particular play anyway, it was playing too loosely. The defense had played another stellar game, and, if the Seagals would have won the toss, chances are we would have given the ball back to the 'offense'.
Seems to me, our trouble IS the offense. Too many times, in crucial situations, they give up a turnover, and/or a score. I don't know what the stats are, but I'll bet the offense has given up close to as many points as the defense. That has to change!

 

[kingwhicker]

You will get hammered by many for this post, but I am sorry Jimmy is a better game day coach than BP.

Certainly Jimmy is gone and not coming back, but you are correct about Jimmy being a better game day coach than Purcells. Jimmy is infinitely better as a game day coach and as a talent evaluator. Had Jerruh not been a fool and Jimmy stayed in Dallas for even three to five more years, he would be considered the greatest coach of all time. Alas, there will never be another Jimmy Johnson prowling our sidelines.

 

[kingwhicker]

Exactly.

Not to mention:

Aikman > Bledsoe

Emmitt > Barber, JuJo, TT, or A-Train

Moose > Polite

Irvin > Key, Glenn, PRice, or Crayton

Novacek = Witten. The only equal talent on our offense we have compared to the Jimmy teams.


Yeah, when you have far superior talent you SHOULD do better on gameday.

Well, he did go out and get that talent.

 

[tyke1doe]

While I believe Jimmy Johnson is a better "go for the jugular" kind of guy, it's a bit theoretical to say what Jimmy would have done in this situation.

Remember, Jimmy had better talent at quarterback, running back, receiver, offensive line than Parcells does.

If I had that Cowboys team of the early and mid 90s, heck, I'd go for the jugular too, and I'm speculating that Parcells maybe would do the same.

But what do we have?

A shaky offensive line.
A Bledsoe who, despite his arm strength (that last pass notwithstanding), is not as accurate as Aikman.
A rookie running back in the back field.

Not to mention a wet field.

It's easy to pontificate about what you would or wouldn't do or who does or doesn't have a killer instinct. But the Drew Bledsoe that throw that interception maybe the same Drew Bledsoe who makes a wrong decision at the goal line.

Think about it?

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, he did go out and get that talent.

Aikman was a no brainer. We had the first pick in the draft and needed a quarterback.

Irvin was on board before Jimmy got here.

Had the Cowboys not drafted Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft, Emmitt likely would not have been in Dallas either. Jimmy said he had Blair Thomas rated higher than Emmitt. And we would have had the first pick of the draft too.

Jimmy's strength as a talent evaluator was more on defense than offense, which can be easily seen in his success in building strong defenses in Miami and Dallas.

 

[Ashwynn]

Same talent. You guys are crazy. Jimmies first year, 3-13, Jimmies second year 5-11 or 709 I cant recall without looking it up , but he sucked his fist years here. His teams took time to gell and LEARN HOW TO WIN. Thats what Parcells team is doing, learning how to win. Parcells team will be fine.

I bet you guys jumped on the bike and rode it around all day that day you learned to ride your biokes. Never fell down, never ran right into a tree cause you were too afraid to turn it. Riiight.....Whatever.

Consider this this teams first year and give em slack, we have not been blown out of any games yets. We could well have won em all , thats how close we played em all. I think we are fine and doing ok in our process of learning to win the games like this.

 

[gbrittain]

Same talent. You guys are crazy. Jimmies first year, 3-13, Jimmies second year 5-11 or 709 I cant recall without looking it up , but he sucked his fist years here. His teams took time to gell and LEARN HOW TO WIN. Thats what Parcells team is doing, learning how to win. Parcells team will be fine.

I bet you guys jumped on the bike and rode it around all day that day you learned to ride your biokes. Never fell down, never ran right into a tree cause you were too afraid to turn it. Riiight.....Whatever.

Consider this this teams first year and give em slack, we have not been blown out of any games yets. We could well have won em all , thats how close we played em all. I think we are fine and doing ok in our process of learning to win the games like this.

First year 1-15, second 7-9, third 11-5, and fourth Superbowl.

You see, to me it looks more like we are learning to lose. The Cowboys are learning the very difficult task of pulling out defeat in the jaws of victory.

I will not under any circumstance excuse these kind of losses. They are getting paid to perform.

We have seasoned vets on both sides of the ball pulling bonehead moves to include the coach.

I am not saying they will not be good, make the playoffs, or heck maybe even an appearance in the Superbowl.

However, rest assured they will not do any of the above until they learn to close games that the door is pretty much already slammed shut on.