JJ, just remember these names

[NorthwestDallas40]

When deciding whether the extra $2-3M per year is worth it for Demarcus Lawrence...

Shante Carver, Oscar Sturgis, Kavika Pittman, Greg Ellis, Ebenezer Ekuban, Peppi Zellner, Colston Weatherington, Ben Gardner, Randy Gregory, Ryan Russell, Charles Tapper, Taco Charlton, Dorance Armstrong.

These are the 4-3 DE's that Dallas has drafted since 1994 (Excluding 3-4 OLBs, like Demarcus Ware, and 3-4 DE's, like Chris Canty). Terrible.

 

[darthseinfeld]

When deciding whether the extra $2-3M per year is worth it for Demarcus Lawrence...

Shante Carver, Oscar Sturgis, Kavika Pittman, Greg Ellis, Ebenezer Ekuban, Peppi Zellner, Colston Weatherington, Tyrone Crawford, Ben Gardner, Randy Gregory, Ryan Russell, Charles Tapper, Taco Charlton, Dorance Armstrong.

These are the 4-3 DE's that Dallas has drafted since 1994 (Excluding 3-4 OLBs, like Demarcus Ware, and 3-4 DE's, like Chris Canty). Terrible.

Actually Crawford was drafted to be a 5 Tech

 

[Beaker42]

When deciding whether the extra $2-3M per year is worth it for Demarcus Lawrence...

Shante Carver, Oscar Sturgis, Kavika Pittman, Greg Ellis, Ebenezer Ekuban, Peppi Zellner, Colston Weatherington, Tyrone Crawford, Ben Gardner, Randy Gregory, Ryan Russell, Charles Tapper, Taco Charlton, Dorance Armstrong.

These are the 4-3 DE's that Dallas has drafted since 1994 (Excluding 3-4 OLBs, like Demarcus Ware, and 3-4 DE's, like Chris Canty). Terrible.

To be fair, Ellis played pretty well for us.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Actually Crawford was drafted to be a 5 Tech

Edited to reflect this

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

To be fair, Ellis played pretty well for us.

We passed over Randy Moss for him.

 

[kskboys]

Actually Crawford was drafted to be a 5 Tech

He's also a nice player who has more than lived up to his draft position as a 3rd round pick. Not his fault that we grossly overpaid him.

 

[kskboys]

We passed over Randy Moss for him.

So, what does that matter? Ellis was good and well worth his draft position. Good pick.

You can find better players you passed over in every draft. Doesn't mean a thing.

 

[irishline]

We passed over Randy Moss for him.

While it was a huge mistake not to draft Moss, Jones wasn't going to draft him even if we didn't draft Ellis. And who we passed on drafting is irrelevant as to how they played anyway.

 

[CWR]

Ellis was a good player, maybe not a good pick but he played well.

 

[kskboys]

While it was a huge mistake not to draft Moss, Jones wasn't going to draft him even if we didn't draft Ellis. And who we passed on drafting is irrelevant as to how they played anyway.

Why aren't people crying because we passed over Christian Hackenburg? How about Sean Merriman?

Using hindsight to crow about who you'd have taken is weak.

 

[kskboys]

Ellis was a good player, maybe not a good pick but he played well.

He was a long term DE who was very good. How can you say he might not have been a good pick? He was a great pick.

 

[Hardline]

Why aren't people crying because we passed over Christian Hackenburg? How about Sean Merriman?

Using hindsight to crow about who you'd have taken is weak.

The problem was we all knew Moss was gonna kill it in the NFL.
At least I did.

 

[kskboys]

The problem was we all knew Moss was gonna kill it in the NFL.
At least I did.

Moss was a potential problem player, and everyone knew that also.

 

[irishline]

Why aren't people crying because we passed over Christian Hackenburg? How about Sean Merriman?

Using hindsight to crow about who you'd have taken is weak.

Oh I am not disagreeing with you, I was really just stating that Jones wasn't going to draft Moss no matter what. So therefore it is irrelevant to state that we picked Ellis over him. I agree Ellis was a good player for us, but you said that right before my post. I am not crying that we didn't take Moss, just that I personally believe it is what we should have done.

Moss was a potential problem player, and everyone knew that also.

This is why Jones was never going to draft Moss, especially after all the mid-90s player issues we just went through. Right or wrong.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

To be fair, Ellis played pretty well for us.

He did. He wasn’t Randy Moss at his position....but last years team could’ve been a Greg Ellis away from advancing.

 

[Hardline]

Moss was a potential problem player, and everyone knew that also.

The reward far outweighed the risk.
I would've taken Moss no matter what.

 

[AbeBeta]

To be fair, Ellis played pretty well for us.

11 years here 77 sacks, 20 forced fumbles, 500 tackles. Guy was a coach's dream as he was carrying out his assignments correctly.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Why aren't people crying because we passed over Christian Hackenburg? How about Sean Merriman?

Using hindsight to crow about who you'd have taken is weak.

That’s what kills me when people play the hindsight game. It’s only about the failures. We have been very fortunate with some moves we made. Randy Moss has off the field issues. It wasn’t like we passed him up for a player in a similar situation.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The reward far outweighed the risk.
I would've taken Moss no matter what.

That’s always the case. But I’m not using a top 10 pick on a “risk” unless I have a contender.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

We passed over Randy Moss for him.

Ouch!