JJT: Dump Dirk? For Kobe, Mavs should

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It doesn't matter whether Mark Cuban or Donnie Nelson makes the phone call, but one of them needs to contact Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak today and find out what it takes to get Kobe Bryant.
If the answer is Dirk Nowitzki, then so be it.
Straight up. No frills. A simple blockbuster.
One first-team All-NBA star in his prime for another.
Bryant has been dropping subtle hints for a week that he wants out of Los Angeles. Superstars have been dealt before.
Wilt Chamberlain was traded. So was Oscar Robertson. And Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Don't forget to add Shaquille O'Neal to the list.
So don't act like it's blasphemous to consider trading Nowitzki, the league's MVP. Or have you forgotten Philadelphia dealt former MVP Allen Iverson this season.
No one said it would be an easy decision. Or a popular decision. Or that Cuban even has the courage to trade his favorite player.
But it must be considered.
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This is not a knee-jerk reaction to Nowitzki's performance in the Mavericks' shocking first-round playoff loss. This is about positioning the Mavericks to win a championship by acquiring a player who embraces pressure and plays best in big games.
Besides, I've already made the trade on a Web site that analyzes the feasibility of trades to make sure there wasn't any problem with the salaries.
There isn't.
Kobe is scheduled to earn a little more than $17 million this season, while Nowitzki is supposed to get about $15 million. According to this Web site, the deal is fine. Just to make sure, I proposed a deal of DeSagana Diop, Greg Buckner and Jason Terry for Bryant and the computer GM promptly rejected it.
Over the holiday weekend, an ESPN report quoted Bryant as saying he would consider waiving his no-trade clause unless the Lakers re-hired Jerry West and gave him full control of the organization.
As you would expect, he's denying the story.
Too late.
Bryant is mad at the only franchise he's ever played for because they haven't gotten him enough help to make the Lakers a legitimate contender.
And nothing is going to change this off-season because Lamar Odom's shoulder injury means he has little trade value. Neither does Kwame Brown, the only other player on the roster worth more than a Wal-Mart gift card, though his contract expires at the end of next season.
It's Bryant's fault he's in this predicament because he's the one who chased off O'Neal, so he could be the focal point of the team. Now that it's not working out, he wants to wear a new uniform next season if he doesn't get what he wants.
We all know Cuban has a soft spot for Nowitzki because of the 7-footer's work ethic, talent and ability to lead the Mavericks from the abyss of the '90s. Nowitzki is the most decorated player in franchise history, with a low-maintenance personality to match.
Those are just some of the reasons Cuban was so emotional at the news conference to announce that Nowitzki had been named MVP. But he also loves the Mavericks and he'll be doing his club a disservice if he doesn't explore every avenue to make it a better basketball team.
You can't convince me adding Bryant doesn't improve the Mavericks. I'll worry about who's playing power forward later.


It's not that Nowitzki isn't a great player. Winning the MVP proves that just in case you weren't impressed that he averaged 24.6 points and 8.9 rebounds for a team that won 67 games.
But we all know he doesn't always embrace the moment and deliver in the Mavericks' most important games. We all know he has a reputation for being soft, perhaps because he didn't learn the game on inner-city black tops, where you call your own fouls, or spend a summer playing at Rucker Park in New York.
He's had huge games in the playoffs before – 37 in Game 7 against San Antonio in 2006 comes to mind as does a 50-point performance against Phoenix – but pro sports is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately business.
Miami's Dwyane Wade outplayed him in the final four games of the 2006 NBA Finals as the Heat rallied from a 2-0 deficit to win the championship. And Nowitzki was tentative and ineffective against Golden State as Dallas became the first No.1 seed to lose a best-of-7 series against a No.8 seed.
Bryant has never won an MVP trophy, but he understands how to impose his will on a game. He demands the ball in clutch situations and consistently attacks the bucket.
He is the NBA's best player.
Others like Nowitzki and Wade are part of the discussion, but we all know Bryant is the NBA's most feared player.
He wouldn't go 2-for-13, score eight points and passively hang around the perimeter in the most important game of the season. Bryant's confidence never wanes.
Nowitzki, the best European player ever, will be inducted into the Hall of Fame one day. But he lacks the arrogance to lead the Mavericks to a championship.
Bryant does not.
 

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Dirk for Kobe straight up? It would take more than that to get Kobe from the Lakers.
 

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calico;1511826 said:
Dirk for Kobe straight up? It would take more than that to get Kobe from the Lakers.

Bingo. If the Lakers made that trade their fans would run their front office out of town.

Dirk straight-up for Kobe? What is JJT smoking?!

Edit: As an aside, I still think this team's best shot at winning a championship hinges on Dirk. There just isn't anyone we can trade him for that makes this a better team. And I mean realistically trade for.
 
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Kobe is three times the player Dirk could ever be, they are not in the same league. Kobe for Dirk isn't by far an even trade... Kobe will be a Laker.
 

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The Real Mavs Man;1511830 said:
Bingo. If the Lakers made that trade their fans would run their front office out of town.

Dirk straight-up for Kobe? What is JJT smoking?!

Edit: As an aside, I still think this team's best shot at winning a championship hinges on Dirk. There just isn't anyone we can trade him for that makes this a better team. And I mean realistically trade for.
I don't think getting Kobe for Dirk is realistic, either. I'm curious though, who do we target in the offseason? A guy like Reshard Lewis, maybe a true PG like Mo Williams out of Milwaukee. The West will be loaded again next year and the Mavs need to do something to keep up with the Spurs and Suns, not to mention the ascendant Jazz, Rockets, Nuggets et al.
 

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If I were the Mavs, I'd try and go after Kevin Garnett. If you could bring a guy like Garnett into the fold, that would immediatly give you defensive presence, toughness in the post and rebounding in a big way. As an option B, I'd see what it would take to get Ben Wallace. You have plenty of offense in Dallas. You need a guy who can rebound and defend for you, IMO.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1512269 said:
If I were the Mavs, I'd try and go after Kevin Garnett. If you could bring a guy like Garnett into the fold, that would immediatly give you defensive presence, toughness in the post and rebounding in a big way. As an option B, I'd see what it would take to get Ben Wallace. You have plenty of offense in Dallas. You need a guy who can rebound and defend for you, IMO.

Kevin Garnett is an upgrade on paper, but his playoff history leaves much to be desired.

As for Ben Wallace, we already have one overpaid, overrated center who rebounds but can't score (Dampier) and a younger, cheaper version who isn't much of a drop in value (Diop).
 

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windward;1511857 said:
I don't think getting Kobe for Dirk is realistic, either. I'm curious though, who do we target in the offseason? A guy like Reshard Lewis, maybe a true PG like Mo Williams out of Milwaukee. The West will be loaded again next year and the Mavs need to do something to keep up with the Spurs and Suns, not to mention the ascendant Jazz, Rockets, Nuggets et al.

That's the problem - the Mavs really don't have any options besides tearing it down and starting over (which would be stupid).

Possible PG Upgrades:

- Mo Williams: I like him. He had a breakout year on a badly battered team, he's young (24), and he's a free agent this summer. Dallas has no cap room to sign him, but Devin Harris is going into the last year of his contract and could be used in a sign-and-trade. Problem is, that might not be enough, but Dallas has a couple of younger players (Pops, Ager) and three second round draft picks to barter. And one has to consider - Williams is an upgrade at the point, but how much did playing on a bad team inflate his numbers?

- Sam Cassell: He's nearly 40, so this would be a quick fix for two years at best. Pass.

- Jason Kidd: He would cost us at least Josh Howard, Harris/Terry, and possibly more. Kidd is in his mid-30s. Pass.

- Brevin Knight: He is a free agent this summer and has put up gaudy assist numbers for the Bobcats. But he can't shoot. I wouldn't mind signing him to the midlevel exception to be the backup PG (one who can actually pass) but no more than that.

Possible PF Upgrades:

- Kevin Garnett: See earlier post.

- Jermaine O'Neal: Oft-injured but a definite upgrade over what the Mavs have in the post. It would cost Dirk or Howard/Harris others.

- Tim Duncan: Just kidding.

- PJ Brown: He's available this summer for depth but he's old and slow - so how does he help the Mavs? Exactly - pass.

My Suggestion: Trade Harris, draft picks, and TBD bench players for Mo Williams. Move Stackhouse to the starting rotation and Terry to the bench. Sign Knight for depth. Hope Ager (if still there) develops into a better role player.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1511839 said:
Kobe is three times the player Dirk could ever be, they are not in the same league. Kobe for Dirk isn't by far an even trade... Kobe will be a Laker.

And I thought I was a homer.

I won't argue that Kobe, one-on-one is a better player, or in a straight-up trade Kobe is the better value. But three times the player? Kobe is much better at creating his own shot and driving to the basket, but less so as an offensive player (Kobe is top three but Dirk is at least in the top ten). Dirk is a better rebounder. Kobe is better defensively and has a more aggressive, never-say-die attitude. But he's also selfish (on and off the court) and hardly the ideal team player.
 

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The Real Mavs Man;1512427 said:
Kevin Garnett is an upgrade on paper, but his playoff history leaves much to be desired.

As for Ben Wallace, we already have one overpaid, overrated center who rebounds but can't score (Dampier) and a younger, cheaper version who isn't much of a drop in value (Diop).


The Mav's got busted in the paint during the playoffs. No interior defense and no rebounding presence. You have plenty of scoring so who cares if Wallace or Garnett don't score? They both rebound better then anybody you have on your club and they both play better interior defense than anybody you have on your club. Of course, if you would rather keep Dampier that's fine. Howard is a promising young player but he's clearly not enough. You need another interior guy who can rebound and play defense. You need to be tougher or you'll continue to get smoked by teams who will take it to the hole on you. In the playoffs, jump shooting teams typically don't win. JMO.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1512903 said:
The Mav's got busted in the paint during the playoffs. No interior defense and no rebounding presence. You have plenty of scoring so who cares if Wallace or Garnett don't score? They both rebound better then anybody you have on your club and they both play better interior defense than anybody you have on your club. Of course, if you would rather keep Dampier that's fine. Howard is a promising young player but he's clearly not enough. You need another interior guy who can rebound and play defense. You need to be tougher or you'll continue to get smoked by teams who will take it to the hole on you. In the playoffs, jump shooting teams typically don't win. JMO.

Whoa, I don't want to keep Dampier. Please, take him. Oh, and his $100 million contract. :( It would be tough to send Damp away, so I don't realistically look at that as a possibility.

But, hey, this is the NBA. There are plenty of terrible GMs ready to pull the trigger at any moment.

It's just that at this stage Wallace is getting older and worse. Garnett I wouldn't mind having, but my point was that with his history it doesn't necessarily mean it's a guarantee he'd take us to the promised land. Other than Garnett and Jermaine O'Neal there isn't anyone touchable that could really help, and they both have some question marks. Neither are the same as getting a Duncan or Shaq.
 
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