Recap: JJT: Whispers from the Star (5/22)

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If you dont think he is an impact player you havent seen him play much.

Safeties do more than intercept passes, especially when QBs choose to avoid him given the trash in the rest of the secondary.

yes I know this. However the narrative on here by many keep gong on how ours S’s are not ball hawks, but now it would be ok for Adams not to be a ball hawk?
I don’t think QBs are avoiding him.
 

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yes I know this. However the narrative on here by many keep gong on how ours S’s are not ball hawks, but now it would be ok for Adams not to be a ball hawk?
I don’t think QBs are avoiding him.
And I dont think you've seen much of him on the field.

Youd want him if you have....and I FULLY understand what it means to deal an asset like a 1st rounder for someone you have to pay right away. I dont typically think it's the right move.

But this guy is the leader this defense needs, and first round picks have at least a 50% chance to bust, and I dont figure ours to be all that high next year.

I live in NJ and know plenty of Jet fans. NONE of them want him dealt. He is their best and most popular player, and want the team to pay him. I had one tell me that a 1st, a 3rd and Gallup wasnt enough. That's insane, but I'm telling you the sentiment. Theres no way these fans would value anything but a top, top player that way.
 

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yes I know this. However the narrative on here by many keep gong on how ours S’s are not ball hawks, but now it would be ok for Adams not to be a ball hawk?
I don’t think QBs are avoiding him.


This is BS, nobody said that about a SS, who's going to play in the box on most plays.
 

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And I dont think you've seen much of him on the field.

Youd want him if you have....and I FULLY understand what it means to deal an asset like a 1st rounder for someone you have to pay right away. I dont typically think it's the right move.

But this guy is the leader this defense needs, and first round picks have at least a 50% chance to bust, and I dont figure ours to be all that high next year.

I live in NJ and know plenty of Jet fans. NONE of them want him dealt. He is their best and most popular player, and want the team to pay him. I had one tell me that a 1st, a 3rd and Gallup wasnt enough. That's insane, but I'm telling you the sentiment. Theres no way these fans would value anything but a top, top player that way.

I have seen him play, though obviously not as much as you have or others.
It's not that I do not like him, I do, and would not complain if they get him. But not at the price of multiple high draft picks with one year left on his deal, plus him wanting a huge contract after this year or even now. That is why he is not worth it IMO.

I just do not see him at that price as the difference maker they are looking for. I can wait until next year and see what the draft looks like.
 

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Hey, folks! The boys were off last Friday, but were back at it today. Link to come later once it's available. Here is a recap of the three topics that were discussed:

1. JJT checked in with his sources to get a quick update on Dak. Said he got some laughing emojis from a team source when he asked about the reports that he was seeking 45M in Year 5 of a possible contract. Mentioned three things that he learned from sources. The first was that Dak simply isn't taking a 5 year deal. Why isn't he taking a 5 year deal? Aaron, Russell, and Tannehill got 4 year deals and Wentz and Goff got 4 year extensions. Once teams make that leap and set precedents, it becomes a new reality, and one that the Cowboys will eventually have to accept, if Dak is in fact their guy. JJT couldn't even think of a number high enough that Dak would accept on a 5 year deal. It would simply be out of Jerry's price range.The second thing is Dak has not been offered 35M at all, despite reports surfacing over the last few months that he has. JJT's sources indicate that he's been offered slightly less, but it would still make him the second highest paid QB in the league. And the third thing JJT mentions is that the two sides have not had any contact since late March, possibly early April. JJT noted a few months ago that some of his sources told him that Dak and Jerry could get this deal done in a half hour if Dak walked into Jerry's office and they hammered it out. But since Dak and his agent are playing hardball at the moment, these type of negotiations tend to drag themselves out. Especially since this is just as important of a deal for Todd France as it is for Dak Prescott. JJT suspects that the two sides will engage in talks again in July, right before the deadline. Hasn't been much movement on the Dak front, otherwise.

2. JJT got into some talk here about the pass rush, as we all know it's been suspect. There have been a lot of discussions about Jaylon Smith rushing the QB more, but there are a lot of unknowns there so far since the guys haven't taken the field yet. Jaylon did play down at Notre Dame quite a bit though, so he could be valuable in a role where he's more of a pass rusher because he's already proved to be an effective blitzer in the NFL. It's really Mike Nolan's job to figure out Jaylon. Said Aldon Smith will likely play a Dee Ford type role coming off the edge and rushing the passer, but not dropping into coverage. Aldon's last year in the league he only got 3.5 sacks, but pressured the QB 30 times. Randy Gregory produced similar numbers in 2018, but with about twice as many sacks. If you can get those two guys to achieve only their floor, those are solid rotational players with extremely minimal cost. In 2020, we have got to find a way to improve our pass rush because Marinelli's vanilla scheme did not bring out the best in our pass rush because we were constantly only rushing 4. Under the Marinelli tutelage, we never finished higher than 13th in the league in sacks (and that year we only had 36). The highest amount of sacks we ever recorded were 39. We finished 15, 13, 18, 21, and 26 sacks away from the NFL leader. Nolan, Tomsula, McCurley, and even McCarthy have got to figure out ways to be more aggressive and get after the QB. I think sending Marinelli and Richard on their merry way was a good start.

3. Quick note at the end here. JJT spoke to a source close to the Jamal Adams debacle. Said the source told him that he "can't figure out what the hell the Jets are doing" with Jamal. He's too valuable both as a player and as a leader on that Jets defense to piss off and make him not want to play for you. The source did indicate that the number one team that Jamal Adams would absolutely want to play for first though is in fact the Dallas Cowboys. "Put that in your pipe and smoke it."

And that's all I got folks! Enjoy the long holiday weekend and remember why we recognize it.

Cheers!

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Dak will have to sign first before we put capital into Adams. Dak has all the pieces. Time to find some common ground.
 

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I think Russell, Rodgers, Goff, and Wentz all got extensions...not straight up 4-year deals.
 

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I have seen him play, though obviously not as much as you have or others.
It's not that I do not like him, I do, and would not complain if they get him. But not at the price of multiple high draft picks with one year left on his deal, plus him wanting a huge contract after this year or even now. That is why he is not worth it IMO.

I just do not see him at that price as the difference maker they are looking for. I can wait until next year and see what the draft looks like.
I agree that they cant try to get him at any cost.

Let's put it this way though...IF they sent a 1st and a 3rd next year....I'd rather trade that 3rd (we have an extra anyway) than simply draft a safety with the 1st. Basically you know the pick wont bust by using a 3rd. I realize they have to pay him, and it may cost the team retaining someone like LVE moving ahead, and that's a decision the team will need to make....I am not all that up on cap space moving ahead.

It's very close as far as what has to be given up. Most of it depends on if you're going to bust that 1st rounder or not, and of course theres no way to know that.

Consider this though....if you dont...and you hit on a player as good as Adams, they want to be paid anyway before the rookie deal is up.

I know this....if Adams comes here he would be the leader of this defense for a decade and a huge fan favorite. 24 years old also.
 

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2. JJT got into some talk here about the pass rush, as we all know it's been suspect. There have been a lot of discussions about Jaylon Smith rushing the QB more, but there are a lot of unknowns there so far since the guys haven't taken the field yet. Jaylon did play down at Notre Dame quite a bit though, so he could be valuable in a role where he's more of a pass rusher because he's already proved to be an effective blitzer in the NFL. It's really Mike Nolan's job to figure out Jaylon. Said Aldon Smith will likely play a Dee Ford type role coming off the edge and rushing the passer, but not dropping into coverage. Aldon's last year in the league he only got 3.5 sacks, but pressured the QB 30 times. Randy Gregory produced similar numbers in 2018, but with about twice as many sacks. If you can get those two guys to achieve only their floor, those are solid rotational players with extremely minimal cost. In 2020, we have got to find a way to improve our pass rush because Marinelli's vanilla scheme did not bring out the best in our pass rush because we were constantly only rushing 4.

The untold story on our lack of pass rush last year was how DLaw fell off a cliff in the back half of the season, getting only 0.5 sacks.

As for Gregory in 2018, he ended up on par with DLaw in the back half of the season. He probably doesn't get all the sacks of Quinn, but it's close, an overall he's likely a better RDE than Quinn, as Quinn stunk it up against the run.

Per blitz, Jaylon was really good in 2018, but his leg regressed last year, and I don't know that he's ever that good again.
 

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I think sending Marinelli and Richard on their merry way was a good start.
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