Jobs left plans for four years of new Apple products...

[Dallas]

We prefer to be called Apple Siders...

Apple Juice Kidz is what Im going to call you from now on.


Drinkin the juice......weezin the juice buuuuudieeee

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

wrong 2x? What does that even mean? I said Jobs was an innovator but he cannot put down a blueprint of future devices. That is silly to even believe that he can. He can give you a summary of his vision of what the thing maybe could/should do, but to argue that he has blueprints and highlevel design of them is completely untrue. How could he? Does he have the future A7 layout ready to roll? Maybe they don't even go w/ ARM anymore for CPU. Damn you Jobs, your blueprint said A10 but there is no A8. There might be something comparible being made by Samsung again but its not as fast as you told us from 2011.

You know what..nevermind..I dont have time to sit here and explain to you how dependant Apple is on the IC mgfrs of the world.

Steve knows all the tech they will break through on? That is crazy talk.

This is a silly argument.

When the first ipod came out people were buying 500 CD changers to store all their music.

Steve's "vision" put into an item smaller than a pack of cigarettes.

I will concede that you know all that you do.

What you wont get from is that futurists are NOT out there seeing things 10,20,30 + years down the road. Jobs was one of them.

"When the world gets in my way, I say..... HAVE A NICE DAY!"

 

[Kevinicus]

When the first ipod came out people were buying 500 CD changers to store all their music.

Steve's "vision" put into an item smaller than a pack of cigarettes.

I will concede that you know all that you do.

What you wont get from is that futurists are NOT out there seeing things 10,20,30 + years down the road. Jobs was one of them.

"When the world gets in my way, I say..... HAVE A NICE DAY!"

The Ipod was not original at all, so I'm not sure what Steve's vision had to do with it. MP3 players were around well before the Ipod.

Jobs was a good salesman with a cult following. None of his products are revolutionary. Plenty of other companies have produced surperior products (even if the sales numbers don't show it). And other companies were working on the same type of technology.

Jobs just organized and marketed better.

 

[MonsterD]

Does Apple make cpu and digital mem chips and other integrated circuits? Do you even understand what we are discussing?

I say no you don't.

So cloud services (iCloud) is an apple product? REALLY? :laugh2: :laugh2: I have been running cloud infrasture for years. I never once got a call from Apple or Steve and I am a bit upset now after learning this fact.

You won't need that hardware when the Imind comes out, just strap the band on your head and use the 90% of the unused brain to process all your computing needs.

 

[Reality]

I'm amazed at how many people these days feel the need to push their agenda on everyone else so much so that you would make so much effort to discredit and insult a man who died before his time.

I will only comment on the "4-year plan" that was mentioned ..

Anyone who says this is not possible has no clue how the tech industry works and before anyone chimes in with a "but .. but .. i know things .. blah blah .. and I have been doing this .. blah blah" rant, let me explain.

In the tech industry, technology is well ahead of the curve. Most technology that has come out in the last year was developed 5-10 years ago. The reason for the delay is to both refine the production process to minimize defects and inefficiencies and also to work with other companies in order to create the smaller pieces and resources required for production. In other words, to establish a production process that will lower costs to the level required for would-be consumers. All of that takes time.

For example, LED-based lightbulbs were around for years before they made it into stores and when they finally made it, they cost a lot more than they do now.

HDTVs have gone from projection, to LCD to now LED based and in the near future, OLED-based TVs and video devices will become mainstream. OLED allows paper-thin bendable screens to show HDTV in incredible detail. OLED was demonstrated around two years ago at a tech event yet our TVs are still primarily LED or LCD based. I would expect that 2012 will be the year of the OLED TV and that would be 3 years after the first public demonstration, not since it had been created as that was well before then.

Of course the technology will continue to improve and no matter what devices are created today, many will undergo improvements in the coming years including many which are not predictable.

But there is plenty of new technology that has been developed in the last year that will not make it into the hands of the general public for several years primarily due to production costs. When production costs come down to a point where the companies think at least a percentage of the public will buy the products, they will finally start building it.

Technology companies have relationships with most of the other large technology companies and you know they share the generalities of what they are developing in situations where it could benefit both companies. Apple works with Samsung for their screen technology even though Samsung and Apple compete head-to-head in many markets. In fact Apple and Samsung are suing each other all over the world and yet they continue to work with each other.

To think that Jobs or anyone has inked an exact plan that will be followed in every detail is foolish because that would not even happen if Jobs was still alive over the next 4 years. But to think that you cannot define a plan that involves pre-existing technology that is not mainstream yet would be narrow minded and serve no other purpose than a desire to further an agenda.

And just for the record ..

I have always admired Steve Jobs and Apple but I cannot stand how Apple (or any company) tells its customers how to use their products. I also do not like how Apple goes out of their way to limit open access to their software and services in ways that serve no purpose other than to maintain as much control over everything as possible.

I have been a linux fan since linux was first created as an alternative to commercial BSD unix. I have never been a Microsoft fan but will admit that Windows 7 is a pretty good day-to-day OS.

My technology agenda is simple .. go with the products and services that do what you need and let others do the same. If everyone is happy with what they have, why try to tell them differently.

#reality

 

[Yeagermeister]

I'm amazed at how many people these days feel the need to push their agenda on everyone else so much so that you would make so much effort to discredit and insult a man who died before his time.

I will only comment on the "4-year plan" that was mentioned ..

Anyone who says this is not possible has no clue how the tech industry works and before anyone chimes in with a "but .. but .. i know things .. blah blah .. and I have been doing this .. blah blah" rant, let me explain.

In the tech industry, technology is well ahead of the curve. Most technology that has come out in the last year was developed 5-10 years ago. The reason for the delay is to both refine the production process to minimize defects and inefficiencies and also to work with other companies in order to create the smaller pieces and resources required for production. In other words, to establish a production process that will lower costs to the level require for would-be consumers. All of that takes time.

For example, LED-based lightbulbs were around for years before they made it into stores and when they finally made it, they cost a lot more than they do now.

HDTVs have gone from projection, to LCD to now LED based and in the near future, OLED-based TVs and video devices will become mainstream. OLED allows paper-thin bendable screens to show HDTV in incredible detail. OLED was demonstrated around two years ago at a tech event yet our TVs are still primarily LED or LCD based. I would expect that 2012 will be the year of the OLED TV and that would be 3 years after the first public demonstration, not that it had been created.

Of course the technology will continue to improve and no matter what devices are created today, many will undergo improvements in the coming years including many which are not predictable.

But there is plenty of new technology that has been developed in the last year that will not make it into the hands of the general public for several years primarily due to production costs. When production costs come down to a point where the companies think at least a percentage of the public will buy the products, they will finally start building it.

Technology companies all have relationships with most of the other large technology companies and you know they share the generalities of what they are developing in situations where it could benefit both companies. Apple works with Samsung for their screen technology even though Samsung and Apple compete head-to-head in many markets. In fact Apple and Samsung are suing each other all over the world and yet they continue to work with each other.

To think that Jobs or anyone has inked an exact plan that will be followed in every detail is foolish because that would not even happen if Jobs was still alive over the next 4 years. But to think that you cannot define a plan that involves pre-existing technology that is not mainstream yet would be narrow minded and serve no other purpose than a desire to further an agenda.

And just for the record ..

I have always admired Steve Jobs and Apple but I cannot stand how Apple (or any company) tells its customers how to use their products. I also do not like how Apple goes out of their way to limit open access to their software and services in ways that serve no purpose other than to maintain as much control over everything as possible.

I have been a linux fan since linux was first created as an alternative to commercial BSD unix. I have never been a Microsoft fan but will admit that Windows 7 is a pretty good day-to-day OS.

My technology agenda is simple .. go with the products and services that do what you need and let others do the same. If everyone is happy with what they have, why try to tell them differently.

#reality

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[TheCount]

The man left quite the legacy. Gates may end up out doing him on that front due to all his philantrophy, but Jobs legacy to and from Apple is pretty muc unmatched, his fingerprints are all over that company.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Jobs was a:

1. Futurist
2. Visionary

He was more than capable of reading the past and current patterns and trends in the world today.

He was more than capable to plan ahead thinking "exponentially".


Those two things are how he will STILL be "in the now" 3-4 years from now without even being here.


People like jobs dont think in today "conventional" terms. Outside the box for lack of a better phrase.

My only point is Jobs designed the device, not the components it's made of. Jobs designed the iPad, but when the idea came to him, the components to create it didn't' exist yet. (literally) Actually, the iPad wasn't even Job's idea. If you watch the movie 2001, they are using iPads. Jobs was just the first to bring the idea to life. Prior to that, the technology to produce an iPad didn't exist.

We've seen all the brick cell phones of the late 80s. That was the best they could do at the time, but in 1967 Star Trek had communicators. (a cell phone) It wasn't until the mid to late 80s that the technology existed to make it possible.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Reality,

You are aware that the battery in the first iPad (with a realistic price point) didn't exist 12 months before it appeared in the iPad correct?

You understand that the first two generation iPhones the "retina display" existed, but was so high priced that it wasn't feasible?

I'm not saying at all that the technology didn't exist at all four years prior. It just wasn't feasible to put in a consumer product. Cell phone tech existed in the late 70s. In 1989, it still cost $3 a minute to use.

 

[Reality]

Reality,

You are aware that the battery in the first iPad (with a realistic price point) didn't exist 12 months before it appeared in the iPad correct?

You understand that the first two generation iPhones the "retina display" existed, but was so high priced that it wasn't feasible?

You just proved my point exactly .. you can plan technological moves years in advance because the technology that will be common in 3-4 years has already been developed .. it just costs too much right now. So you know what is coming and you can partner with the companies that made the technology to use it in your own development process while waiting for the other companies to find more efficient and affordable ways to manufacture their products and parts.

That is EXACTLY what I said in my post above!

Sure there are variables that will pop up such as unexpected breakthroughs that will alter plans but you can still plan your future development for the most part with technology that already exists but is not mainstream yet due to costs.

#reality

 

[YosemiteSam]

Very true, but sometimes it takes a hell of a lot more than 3-4 years to come to fruition. Like I said. Cell phone tech existed in the 70s. It wasn't really feasible on a mass scale until the late 90s. That is 20+ years before it became a feasible technology! Therefore, my point also stands.

A 10 hour battery for a 9+ inch video display did not exist in a feasible way a year before the iPad came out.

 

[trickblue]

Very true, but sometimes it takes a hell of a lot more than 3-4 years to come to fruition. Like I said. Cell phone tech existed in the 70s. It wasn't really feasible on a mass scale until the late 90s. That is 20+ years before it became a feasible technology! Therefore, my point also stands.

A 10 hour battery for a 9+ inch video display did not exist in a feasible way a year before the iPad came out.

I think that is exactly the point Reality and I are making. There are designs made 50+ years ago that still haven't come to fruition because of technology. The general concept is valid but not obtainable. Given Jobs track record, I'm sure he figured in some of those issues...

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm amazed at how many people these days feel the need to push their agenda on everyone else so much so that you would make so much effort to discredit and insult a man who died before his time.

I will only comment on the "4-year plan" that was mentioned ..

Anyone who says this is not possible has no clue how the tech industry works and before anyone chimes in with a "but .. but .. i know things .. blah blah .. and I have been doing this .. blah blah" rant, let me explain.

In the tech industry, technology is well ahead of the curve. Most technology that has come out in the last year was developed 5-10 years ago. The reason for the delay is to both refine the production process to minimize defects and inefficiencies and also to work with other companies in order to create the smaller pieces and resources required for production. In other words, to establish a production process that will lower costs to the level required for would-be consumers. All of that takes time.

For example, LED-based lightbulbs were around for years before they made it into stores and when they finally made it, they cost a lot more than they do now.

HDTVs have gone from projection, to LCD to now LED based and in the near future, OLED-based TVs and video devices will become mainstream. OLED allows paper-thin bendable screens to show HDTV in incredible detail. OLED was demonstrated around two years ago at a tech event yet our TVs are still primarily LED or LCD based. I would expect that 2012 will be the year of the OLED TV and that would be 3 years after the first public demonstration, not since it had been created as that was well before then.

Of course the technology will continue to improve and no matter what devices are created today, many will undergo improvements in the coming years including many which are not predictable.

But there is plenty of new technology that has been developed in the last year that will not make it into the hands of the general public for several years primarily due to production costs. When production costs come down to a point where the companies think at least a percentage of the public will buy the products, they will finally start building it.

Technology companies have relationships with most of the other large technology companies and you know they share the generalities of what they are developing in situations where it could benefit both companies. Apple works with Samsung for their screen technology even though Samsung and Apple compete head-to-head in many markets. In fact Apple and Samsung are suing each other all over the world and yet they continue to work with each other.

To think that Jobs or anyone has inked an exact plan that will be followed in every detail is foolish because that would not even happen if Jobs was still alive over the next 4 years. But to think that you cannot define a plan that involves pre-existing technology that is not mainstream yet would be narrow minded and serve no other purpose than a desire to further an agenda.

And just for the record ..

I have always admired Steve Jobs and Apple but I cannot stand how Apple (or any company) tells its customers how to use their products. I also do not like how Apple goes out of their way to limit open access to their software and services in ways that serve no purpose other than to maintain as much control over everything as possible.

I have been a linux fan since linux was first created as an alternative to commercial BSD unix. I have never been a Microsoft fan but will admit that Windows 7 is a pretty good day-to-day OS.

My technology agenda is simple .. go with the products and services that do what you need and let others do the same. If everyone is happy with what they have, why try to tell them differently.

#reality

Good post, reality. I was thinking similarly to myself when someone was writing that there "is no way you can be planning 4 years ahead". Talk about not knowing how business works. And I see an agenda. I say this because to claim you can't plan a basic and even specific business model 4 years ahead of time is not thinking rationally nor in realistic terms.

It's ignorant to think that every tech company is not developing ahead of time. This is what the guys in engineering and what not, design/development..the dorks that make it happen..those are the guy making the new products while the old products are the currently available ones. Jobs was a great designer and innovator. He played a big role in developing Apple from a design standpoint and gave great ideas which made Apple become what it is today, which threatens the jobs of many in the PC industry, etc. I get that resentment.

I don't like some things about the company. But I do like the company in general. I admire what jobs did in general. He was an innovator and will be in future text books for years and years to come. He won't be forgotten. Not because of who he was, but because of how he cracked the PC market, and then took it over, when many people said he couldn't.

That's what I admire about him most. I remember the uproar of people buying Dell stock and Microsoft as short-term and long-ways to get and stay rich. That was a market that was pretty much monopolized because other companies were making exclusivity contracts with Microsoft, etc. The funny thing is Steve Jobs surpassed many companies by designing his own hardware and software. People are quick to point out that Apple no longer manufactured their own hardware, but they didn't have to.

For years and years, companies have not made their own hardware....

In any case, that's one of the only problems I have with Apple is that when the hardware goes out, it's expensive to fix. But I must say, nothing I've ever had compares to a macbook in terms of laptops. I have yet to get an Apple desktop, but I like to have a variety of things myself and see no reason why we can't appreciate both types of technology.

I just laugh at the agenda-driven comments myself.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You just proved my point exactly .. you can plan technological moves years in advance because the technology that will be common in 3-4 years has already been developed .. it just costs too much right now. So you know what is coming and you can partner with the companies that made the technology to use it in your own development process while waiting for the other companies to find more efficient and affordable ways to manufacture their products and parts.

That is EXACTLY what I said in my post above!

Sure there are variables that will pop up such as unexpected breakthroughs that will alter plans but you can still plan your future development for the most part with technology that already exists but is not mainstream yet due to costs.

#reality

:abuseme:

This is so funny to watch.

 

[Vtwin]

That was the best they could do at the time, but in 1967 Star Trek had communicators. (a cell phone) It wasn't until the mid to late 80s that the technology existed to make it possible.

Maybe Apple is working on a transporter. That would bring these internet debates to a whole new level.

"Romo" sucks"

"Hell no. He's the best QB in the league!

"No he sucks and you're an idiot troll"

"That's it. It's on. Beam me over Martha"

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'm amazed at how many people these days feel the need to push their agenda on everyone else so much so that you would make so much effort to discredit and insult a man who died before his time.

I will only comment on the "4-year plan" that was mentioned ..

Anyone who says this is not possible has no clue how the tech industry works and before anyone chimes in with a "but .. but .. i know things .. blah blah .. and I have been doing this .. blah blah" rant, let me explain.

In the tech industry, technology is well ahead of the curve. Most technology that has come out in the last year was developed 5-10 years ago. The reason for the delay is to both refine the production process to minimize defects and inefficiencies and also to work with other companies in order to create the smaller pieces and resources required for production. In other words, to establish a production process that will lower costs to the level required for would-be consumers. All of that takes time.

For example, LED-based lightbulbs were around for years before they made it into stores and when they finally made it, they cost a lot more than they do now.

HDTVs have gone from projection, to LCD to now LED based and in the near future, OLED-based TVs and video devices will become mainstream. OLED allows paper-thin bendable screens to show HDTV in incredible detail. OLED was demonstrated around two years ago at a tech event yet our TVs are still primarily LED or LCD based. I would expect that 2012 will be the year of the OLED TV and that would be 3 years after the first public demonstration, not since it had been created as that was well before then.

Of course the technology will continue to improve and no matter what devices are created today, many will undergo improvements in the coming years including many which are not predictable.

But there is plenty of new technology that has been developed in the last year that will not make it into the hands of the general public for several years primarily due to production costs. When production costs come down to a point where the companies think at least a percentage of the public will buy the products, they will finally start building it.

Technology companies have relationships with most of the other large technology companies and you know they share the generalities of what they are developing in situations where it could benefit both companies. Apple works with Samsung for their screen technology even though Samsung and Apple compete head-to-head in many markets. In fact Apple and Samsung are suing each other all over the world and yet they continue to work with each other.

To think that Jobs or anyone has inked an exact plan that will be followed in every detail is foolish because that would not even happen if Jobs was still alive over the next 4 years. But to think that you cannot define a plan that involves pre-existing technology that is not mainstream yet would be narrow minded and serve no other purpose than a desire to further an agenda.

And just for the record ..

I have always admired Steve Jobs and Apple but I cannot stand how Apple (or any company) tells its customers how to use their products. I also do not like how Apple goes out of their way to limit open access to their software and services in ways that serve no purpose other than to maintain as much control over everything as possible.

I have been a linux fan since linux was first created as an alternative to commercial BSD unix. I have never been a Microsoft fan but will admit that Windows 7 is a pretty good day-to-day OS.

My technology agenda is simple .. go with the products and services that do what you need and let others do the same. If everyone is happy with what they have, why try to tell them differently.

#reality

Excellent post. Just based on how things are, how they came about and how they are going to be.



Understood SIA. But, again, Reality expressed in detail what I did not.

My only point is Jobs designed the device, not the components it's made of. Jobs designed the iPad, but when the idea came to him, the components to create it didn't' exist yet. (literally) Actually, the iPad wasn't even Job's idea. If you watch the movie 2001, they are using iPads. Jobs was just the first to bring the idea to life. Prior to that, the technology to produce an iPad didn't exist.

We've seen all the brick cell phones of the late 80s. That was the best they could do at the time, but in 1967 Star Trek had communicators. (a cell phone) It wasn't until the mid to late 80s that the technology existed to make it possible.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think that is exactly the point Reality and I are making. There are designs made 50+ years ago that still haven't come to fruition because of technology. The general concept is valid but not obtainable. Given Jobs track record, I'm sure he figured in some of those issues...

Then why was I quoted and refuted if we are in agreement?

 

[junk]

I tend to agree with Dallas that anything designed by Apple is highly dependent upon chip manufacturers. There is no way Jobs has any sort of schematic that would be valid 4 years from now. Even mechanical drawings would be out of date before that time period.

There are way too many things that could change. The chips themselves likely aren't designed yet, so he wouldn't know the pin outs. There could be advances in PCB production that would alter the board layout. Advances in display technology, battery life, etc. that are all outside of the realm of Apple's control. Designing for cost, obsolescence, etc. would all have an impact on your design.

Even Siri, the voice feature in the 4S, wasn't acquired until 2 months after the company went public in 2010. That was a fairly rapid tech insertion.

For all the talk of OLED technology, there are many other technologies that are either kept under wraps, rolled out sooner or have a cost point that allows an immediate tech insertion.

Could he have some high level block diagram with suggested tech that he might know about? Sure. Could he have a product road map? Sure....any good company should. Does he have detailed schematics for the next four years? No.

There was even an article today stating that now that Jobs has passed, Apple is excited about revisiting ideas he vetoed.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/10/whats-next-for-apple/?test=faces?test=faces