John Cena Hits Make-A-Wish Milestone

[BoysFan4ever]

I actually thought his Star Wars thing was pretty funny myself.




Oh I couldn't disagree more.

Jericho is great on the mic.

He's better in a face role, and doing sophmoric type humor, but he's gold, IMO, as face or heel.

I didn't get the humor or the point in the promo Monday. Last time I thought he did a good one was during the WM buildup & he had the best in Rock to bounce off of. I will give him his due for those & of course he's very giving & charitable with his free time.

I really like Jericho! He is not my favorite but let's just say fine with me if Brock stays gone forever & they let Chris do his music & come back whenever he wants.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

ok YR..you mentioned Vader. Being a newcomer to wrestling really was he a good wrestler. Hard to tell in what I saw on that RAW..to be honest he looked like an older really heavy guy. I haven't had time to look for his matches but I have heard his name before. I gather at the peak of his career he was very good. He's a BIG man!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

ok YR..you mentioned Vader. Being a newcomer to wrestling really was he a good wrestler. Hard to tell in what I saw on that RAW..to be honest he looked like an older really heavy guy. I haven't had time to look for his matches but I have heard his name before. I gather at the peak of his career he was very good. He's a BIG man!

Watch him in his WCW and Japan days. He was this indestructable monster who just mauled wrestlers beautifully and could do moonsaults perfectly and bump like a champ. He was also a really good worker. Sorry Flair fans, but Vader carried Flair around in their matches.

He had some issues coming into the WWF:

1. He was getting out of shape and older.

2. He was former title holder and monster in WCW, so coming over to the WWF meant that Vince was probably going to either bury him or make him look weak...something Vince loved to do with former WCW champs coming over to his company.

3. Vince generally has never been good at pushing fat guys as legit champions.

4. He wasn't well liked by the wrestlers because he worked stiff and was known as a pain in the arse to travel with.

5. Shawn Michaels hated him and back then, whatever Shawn wanted he got.


Probably the closest thing to Vader I can think of recently was the late Umaga. A guy who was a great monster who looked devastating in squash matches, but could also work a great match against wrestlers in the big matches that had to go 10-25 minutes long. Vader had a much better moveset though, with powerbombs, second rope splash, moonsault, chokeslam, etc.





YR

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I will check him out. Thanks for the info. I know they are bringing back these older wrestlers and you know just seeing him on the RAW all I saw was a really big guy.

One more question. Humor me. I am learning..what do you guys mean when you say they worked stiff? I am guessing that means opponents got hurt too much against certain guys?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I will check him out. Thanks for the info. I know they are bringing back these older wrestlers and you know just seeing him on the RAW all I saw was a really big guy.

One more question. Humor me. I am learning..what do you guys mean when you say they worked stiff? I am guessing that means opponents got hurt too much against certain guys?

Yes. When a wrestler hits hard or executes a move that hits hard, they call that ‘working stiff.’

Vader was known for that. He also legit paralyzed a wrestler with a powerbomb and when they were both in WCW, really hurt Mick Foley with a powerbomb…although it was done on the cement floor at Foley’s request.





YR

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Yes. When a wrestler hits hard or executes a move that hits hard, they call that ‘working stiff.’

Vader was known for that. He also legit paralyzed a wrestler with a powerbomb and when they were both in WCW, really hurt Mick Foley with a powerbomb…although it was done on the cement floor at Foley’s request.





YR

Mick is a crazy man. How is that guy able to walk? I know he told Taker to throw him off the cage in that classic match. Nuts! Well I guessed right about working stiff. Thanks for clarifying that.. I definitely can see that with a huge guy like Vader that he would be really strong.

I wonder if Big Show isn't the same. I don't see much in him wrestling wise & he's so big.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yes. When a wrestler hits hard or executes a move that hits hard, they call that ‘working stiff.’

Vader was known for that. He also legit paralyzed a wrestler with a powerbomb and when they were both in WCW, really hurt Mick Foley with a powerbomb…although it was done on the cement floor at Foley’s request.





YR

He also broke Foleys nose, punching him, in a match they had and Vader was the guy Foley was facing in Germany (i believe that's where it was) when they did the spot where Foley would get hung between the top and middle rope, and his feet would dangle outside of the ring. It gave off the impression that he was being hung and choking.


Now the kicker is that on that particular night the ropes had been tighten, far more than usual, at the request of one of the wrestlers because they felt the ropes were too loose for one of their spots earlier in the show.

However management and company failed to inform Mick of this so when he did the spot he really was in big trouble. When he forced his head out from between the the ropes, which were reported very tight around his neck, it ripped his right ear off.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Somehow I can imagine Mick losing an ear in a match..ouch! On a similar note about ears when Punk was on "Ghost Hunters" a few years ago they said he was either partially or completely deaf in one ear. I presumed that is due to wrestling.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Watch Vader vs. Stan Hansen in Japan. Not recommended for the squimish.

Part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmK8mt4QWBg

Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfNP586vxs

Part III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pf0LSzSook





YR

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Watch Vader vs. Stan Hansen in Japan. Not recommended for the squimish.

Part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmK8mt4QWBg

Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfNP586vxs

Part III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pf0LSzSook





YR

Will do. Thanks.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I actually thought his Star Wars thing was pretty funny myself.




Oh I couldn't disagree more.

Jericho is great on the mic.

He's better in a face role, and doing sophmoric type humor, but he's gold, IMO, as face or heel.

The only time I have really ever liked Jericho was when he was "fueding" with Stephanie McMahon. He had me rolling. :laugh1:

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Chris did some really good stuff with Rock. Funny.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The only time I have really ever liked Jericho was when he was "fueding" with Stephanie McMahon. He had me rolling. :laugh1:

Yeah he was great during that time. Of course that was during a face run while he was doing his silly, sophmoric, type of humor, which is when he's at his best.


But I'm just a huge Jericho fan. I'll admit that so it makes me somewhat bias to his work in the first place.


I've been a huge fan since his ECW and WCW days.

 

[Biggems]

I still don't get why so many people (wrestling fans) don't like him. He does things the right way, reverences his sport, and is good a on mic.

i am a fan of Cena....and I know he is a better wrestler than he displays....too bad the WWE would rather he be a brawler...cause he would really show some wrestling prowess. I miss his thuganomics days though, but I understand that he had to evolve. I liked how they brought it back for his buildup with the Rock. I would like to see him change his music though, never liked the current intro. I would also like to see him sell the bumps a bit more. He seems to take a lot of punishment, but comes back like nothing happened (though his selling has gotten so much better than it was 5 years ago).

The guy lives the WWE. He gives everything he has. He is great on the mic, great in the ring, and goes out of his way for the fans. He absolutely supports and respects our Armed Forces. He goes out of his way for the kids. He is the closest thing the WWE has seen to compare to Hulkamania.

Thanks to the Rock, I have a name for Cena fans.....Fruity Pebbles.

I consider myself a Fruity Pebble. He is definitely my favorite wrestler in the WWE right now....now that Stone Cold, HBK, the Rock, and The Nature Boy are all gone.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm not a fan of Cena, but I hardly watch pro wrestling anymore.

One thing Biggems has right is that Cena does give 100% on just about every match I see him in. It may not be great in execution, but it's an all out effort.

I think fans should appreciate that having grown up a fan in an era where the top star babyfaces would routinely take nights off and not only refuse to job to people, but not even sell. And that was almost regardless of how over their opponent was.

I can't tell you how many times I watched Bret Hart phone it in. Hogan was flat out ridiculous to watch and almost made me give up on watching American pro wrestling for good. Even in the years of ECW, guys like Taz were phoning it in with super quick squash matches where they didn't have to bump.

If a Cena match is poor, I know it's not due to lack of effort or him begrudging his opponent and not willing to put him over.








YR

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Watch Vader vs. Stan Hansen in Japan. Not recommended for the squimish.

Part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmK8mt4QWBg

Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfNP586vxs

Part III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pf0LSzSook





YR

Wow. Vadar was one bad man.

 

[ShiningStar]

Good for Cena what a great guy.