John Phillips

[GimmeTheBall!]

1st, showing "priomise" in a few games catching a few passes and then missing an entire season with a knee injury doesn't do much to inspire confidence. You don't start cutting people based on an assumption that he will become something special after seeing him catch 7 passes or based on coming back 100% after a season ending knee injury. That makes no sense.

As for Bennet himself, I have no problem making a move with him IF we have an alternative we can feel confident in. A guy with next to no experience and who sat out an entire year with injury doesn't qualify. In the absence of signing someone else, why wouldna't we at least go to training camp with both Bennett and Phillips and see how things shake out. If Phillips is 100% and picks up right where he left off, Bennett would become expendable in my eyes, but that's just way too much to simply assume right now.

Yeah, let's stick with Bennett. One, two, maybe three more years. It's an ongoing experiment with Bennett, right? One of these years he might hit the mark.
In the meantime, let others like Phillips stay on the sidelines, because, well, because one day Marty might come around. Hey, he was drafted high so let us force that investment to work out. At the detriment of finally moving on with another player who wants it badly enough.

btw: I admire your loyalty to Marty. You too should make videos together.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

You're a huge fan of a third string tight-end?

you read well.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

1st, showing "priomise" in a few games catching a few passes and then missing an entire season with a knee injury doesn't do much to inspire confidence. You don't start cutting people based on an assumption that he will become something special after seeing him catch 7 passes or based on coming back 100% after a season ending knee injury. That makes no sense.

As for Bennet himself, I have no problem making a move with him IF we have an alternative we can feel confident in. A guy with next to no experience and who sat out an entire year with injury doesn't qualify. In the absence of signing someone else, why wouldna't we at least go to training camp with both Bennett and Phillips and see how things shake out. If Phillips is 100% and picks up right where he left off, Bennett would become expendable in my eyes, but that's just way too much to simply assume right now.

Answer the question: You think Marty Bennett is a quality No. 2 TE???????

 

[dbair1967]

That's not how I remember it. Phillips was having a great TC and was getting targeted a lot in preseason and making some outstanding catches before he got hurt.

He only played 1 half of the first preseason game, and we'd been in camp two weeks.

As soon as Bennett was able to practice, he replaced Phillips as the #2 TE, which was the week before that first preseason game IIRC.

 

[Stautner]

Yeah, let's stick with Bennett. One, two, maybe three more years. It's an ongoing experiment with Bennett, right? One of these years he might hit the mark.
In the meantime, let others like Phillips stay on the sidelines, because, well, because one day Marty might come around. Hey, he was drafted high so let us force that investment to work out. At the detriment of finally moving on with another player who wants it badly enough.

btw: I admire your loyalty to Marty. You too should make videos together.

Wow, even after I remark about your ridiculous exaggerations and pure fabricated BS, you top yourself with more of the same. I hope this was just a good natured dig rather than an indication of a learning disability.

 

[dbair1967]

Answer the question: You think Marty Bennett is a quality No. 2 TE???????

I dont know what his answer is, but mine is yes. He is a quality #2 TE. He could start for alot of teams.

If he's the #1 TE somewhere which uses a TE like we do, he'd catch 50-60 passes a yr easily IMO.

 

[Stautner]

Answer the question: You think Marty Bennett is a quality No. 2 TE???????

I think Marty B. is an average No. 2 TE. You are missing the point. The point is "average" is better than "unknown with a bad knee".

As I said (and you mysteriously seemed to miss), if Phillips comes back 100% healthy and picks back up where he left off, then Bennett can be considered expendable, but we simply can't assume that with Phillips right now, no mattter how much the fantasy world trapped in your mind may believe Phillips is a proven standout.

Even then though, we need 3 TE's and Bennett would be a stud as the No. 3 guy.

 

[juck]

Now show me one that ignores "thread starters" which is the real problem.

I don't know about you, but when I click on a link that say John Phillips, I expect it to be about John Phillips and not another ignorant we have to get rid of that lousy Martellus Bennett guy.

For someone who dislikes a thread you seem to continually post inside it.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Despite the snarky comments from the great unwashed, I am hopeful that Phillips can live up to his promise, because Manchild Marty Bennett sure has not.

Traded Marty before he has no trade value.

Why trade the #2 TE if you have no idea if the #3 TE will ever play another down?

 

[Stautner]

Why trade the #2 TE if you have no idea if the #3 TE will ever play another down?

This is a very concise way of saying what I have. Maybe some of these guys can understand this. Good post.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I am excited about this guy this coming year. If you remember he played lights out last preseason before the injury. It would be nice to get rid of the bum Bennett and get a pick for him.

I'm more reserved about it because he had a knee ligament tear and players are never 100% the first season back from that injury. I actually think though that he might be serviceable in a fullback/H-back role.

 

[DeaconBlues]

This is a very concise way of saying what I have. Maybe some of these guys can understand this. Good post.

It's what I don't understand in all the Phillips/Bennett threads. Everyone is assuming Phillips will come back even better than before. Coming back from ACL tears isn't guaranteed, and normally takes a couple of years.

If Phillips comes back, outplays Bennett and takes over the #2 spot, fine, trade him. But why give Phillips the spot on a silver platter????

 

[Stautner]

It's what I don't understand in all the Phillips/Bennett threads. Everyone is assuming Phillips will come back even better than before. Coming back from ACL tears isn't guaranteed, and normally takes a couple of years.

If Phillips comes back, outplays Bennett and takes over the #2 spot, fine, trade him. But why give Phillips the spot on a silver platter????

You're right, it just doesn't make sense. It's always odd to me how fans can jump on a bandwagon and completely ignore obvious concerns, like a major knee injury, and even normal concerns, like lack of experience or history. It reminds me of the Ogletree bandwagon people were on after the 2009 season. Some fans were adamant about how he had proven to be at least worthy of being the regular No. 3 WR and was certain to be a quality No. 2, all the while ignoring the fact that his career history consisted of 7 passes, most of which were bubble screens. Phillips showed promise, no question, but his career history is similar to Ogletree a year ago, and he had a major knee injury to boot. I can't imagine anyone thinking it's a good idea to cut other people and hand Phillips the job sight unseen.

 

[Muhast]

Has he really shown anything more than Tony Curtis did?

 

[realtick]

I can somewhat understand the reservations about counting on Phillips because he's coming back from a knee injury, but this 2011, not the 1980s.

The reality is today, knee tears are a very common and treatable injury. Players are coming back from these injuries in less than a year (some in 9-10 months when pushing it. If he tore his achilles I'd be much more concerened.

Phillips tore his acl in early August 2010, if the season was to start on time it will put him at over a year from his surgery. If the start of the season is delayed, he's going to have that much more time to recover and strengthen.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I am excited about this guy this coming year. If you remember he played lights out last preseason before the injury. It would be nice to get rid of the bum Bennett and get a pick for him.

Juck I know you're enjoying rubbing it in up in Pissburgh!

 

[DeaconBlues]

I can somewhat understand the reservations about counting on Phillips because he's coming back from a knee injury, but this 2011, not the 1980s.

The reality is today, knee tears are a very common and treatable injury. Players are coming back from these injuries in less than a year (some in 9-10 months when pushing it. If he tore his achilles I'd be much more concerened.

Phillips tore his acl in early August 2010, if the season was to start on time it will put him at over a year from his surgery. If the start of the season is delayed, he's going to have that much more time to recover and strengthen.

Players are able to get back on the field in less than a year, but they're not 100%. It takes an additional year.

Yes there are exceptions, such as Wes Welker. But more players are injured, then never heard from again, than success stories.

 

[Fletch]

I am a huge fan of John Phillips, he will be around alot longer than Bennett even though people wont admit it. He has a desire to improve & make the most out of every snap.

I kind of see Phillips as a leaner and more athletic version of Heath Miller. I don't think I'm being too crazy when I say that John Phillips could be a star TE in this league.

 

[realtick]

Players are able to get back on the field in less than a year, but they're not 100%. It takes an additional year.

Yes there are exceptions, such as Wes Welker. But more players are injured, then never heard from again, than success stories.

Such as who?

I'd challenge you to name three players in the last five years whose career have ended because of a knee injury.

BTW, knee injuries aren't some new phenomena, they've been around since players have been playing football. Prior to magnetic resonance imaging they probably weren't diagnosed as much as they are now in the modern era and availability of them (mid-1980s).

 

[Stautner]

I can somewhat understand the reservations about counting on Phillips because he's coming back from a knee injury, but this 2011, not the 1980s.

The reality is today, knee tears are a very common and treatable injury. Players are coming back from these injuries in less than a year (some in 9-10 months when pushing it. If he tore his achilles I'd be much more concerened.

Phillips tore his acl in early August 2010, if the season was to start on time it will put him at over a year from his surgery. If the start of the season is delayed, he's going to have that much more time to recover and strengthen.

Sure medical advancements have made it more possible for players to come back more quickly, but the point is that it doesn't make sense to start running of all your depth at the position without even seeing where the guy is in his rehab (not to mention in his maturity as an NFL player). Being more possible to come back quickly doesn't equate to a certainty, and people do struggle sometime3s when coming back from serious knee injuries. Owen Daniel struggled through the first few months of his come back from knee surgery this year.

Besides, when you couple the injury with the fact that Phillips is still unproven, how in the world can anyone justify banking on the guy without even seeing how things go in training camp and preseason? Why wouldn't anyone want to let it play out in TC and preseason?

I kind of see Phillips as a leaner and more athletic version of Heath Miller. I don't think I'm being too crazy when I say that John Phillips could be a star TE in this league.

You said the same about Ogletree last year too, didn't you?

I like Phillips myself - a lot - but lets get realistic. That's a hell of a lot to throw at a guy with 7 career receptions and a major knee injury.