Johnson: Just how much weight did he gain?

[Vintage]

True. I won't argue that. Assuming you meant Wahle.

Wahle is a Whale of Guard...

 

[burmafrd]

ALl indications were that we would have had to pony up a fair amount more to get Wahle- which would have meant not getting Henry.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I loved that play but it appeared Johnson got away with a hold which is ok by me. But Trotter seemed to have Johnson's number most of the game and the middle was totally clogged. Not all on Johnson I know.

I had to re-watch that play a million times. Eagles fans were crying about a hold on that play as well and the camera angle isn't an easy one to decipher whether there was a holding there or not.

To me the only time he could've possibly been called for a hold was when Barber was about 7 yards past the defender and it would've been a pretty tick tack flag on a defender who wasn't going to catch Barber anyway.


Rich...........

 

[Yakuza Rich]

For one game. I didn't see Gurode blowing any of the Rams off the ball.

Gurode played very well when he started Carolina game. That being said, just about everybody did a good job of run blocking in that game.

I love Gurode's athleticism and size, but he's incredibly frustrating to watch because for some unknown reason he whiffs on blocks quite often. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that Gurode is always going to be a frustrating, up and down player who will look great for a game then look lousy the next game. He might somehow put together one great year, but I'd be surprised if he ever winds up being a good, consistent starter.


Rich........

 

[burmafrd]

I have to agree about Gurode. He wil never be a consistent reliable starter. Problem is he thinks he can be- so he will always chaff at being a backup.
I think BP knows this as well and that is why the one year contract. He will be gone then.

 

[MONT17]

LOL... LA was bad in space last year!!! is this like the new theme song at the Ranch? When u man handle your man on the other 85% of the plays it means nothing!!!


I cant wait to see Kosier get run over time and time again...

You ranch heads forget last year? Bledsoe weakness was the BLITZ up the middle I know Tucker made u forget that but with no LA and ALJ at center watch for everyone to Blitz DREW up the middle!!!

 

[Hostile]

LOL... LA was bad in space last year!!! is this like the new theme song at the Ranch? When u man handle your man on the other 85% of the plays it means nothing!!!


I cant wait to see Kosier get run over time and time again...

You ranch heads forget last year? Bledsoe weakness was the BLITZ up the middle I know Tucker made u forget that but with no LA and ALJ at center watch for everyone to Blitz DREW up the middle!!!

This isn't "The Ranch." We're not associated with them in any way, shape, or form beyond team loyalty.

 

[burmafrd]

And once again the voice of ignorance is heard....

 

[wileedog]

He still is ascribing a voodoo mathematical analysis to what isn't an exact science. You cannot convince me you can look at a running play and determine that one offensive lineman was the sole key for the run and it was that blocking success or failure that impacted it.

Just like his statistical view of the dropped passes. There is so much that goes into a play's success or failure and rarely do raw statistics tell much of anything in the empircal sense, unless you want them to. The variables are too great and his criteria might be different from others. They are fine as an FYI, but only a fool would take these numbers and draw any sort of concrete conclusion from them.

The problem is there are two types of stats.

One is immediately measurable. The RB ran for 4 yards. You can write that number down and use it in whatever formula you want to come to whatever conclusions you want, because its hard data.

THe others are more subjective. For instance, even the most hard-core baseball stat heads usually don't rely too heavily on defensive stats like Zone Rating. The reason is that someone has to subjectively look at a particular play and decide if an "average" fielder would have gotten the ball.

That stat is really grey though. It will change depend on who is doing the judging, or even if they didn't have their coffee that morning. You sometimes come up with ridiculous results because of differing yardsticks.

This study while interesting, is also completely subjective. Somebody looked at the play and voiced their opinion on what Johnson did, then tried to translate that opinion into a number.

Its not utterly meaningless, depending on the skill of the guy doing the judging, but in the big picture it doesn't mean a whole lot either. And its no surprise in studies like this that guys like Lehr and Johnson come out of nowhere to be ranked like this - it happens in baseball statistics all the time that a mediocre defender is "statistically superior" to someone who is just obviously better.

I don't think stats are terribly useful in football anyway. 16 games is a darn small sample size, which brings its own misleading conclusions, plus football is so much more team oriented that a better player could have a much lower YPC then a lesser one, for instance.

 

[adbutcher]

Let's hope it was good weight he put on.

That guy put the pot in potbelly pig, lol.