Jones Questions Role

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I think he's been overcoached........ I think he can take it to the house at any given time but that does not go along with Parcells ball control, time of possession philosophy........:bang2:
 

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VA Cowboy;1284250 said:
But, he needs to get into a rhythm [/TO]

And so does the offense as a whole.

It'd be one thing if he was only getting the ball 3 or 4 times in the half as opposed to 9 or 10.. or if in amongst those 1's and 2's he's getting thered be some 5 and 6's and yet we still went away from it.

Whats the goal here.. to just help JJ undertsand his role or move the chains and get the ball in the endzone.

If it's the former, sure give him the ball 25 times come hell or high water.

If it's the latter having 8 of your 9 first half carries go for 3 or less aint helping the cause. Even if there was a token 10 yarder throwin in.
 

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DipChit;1284243 said:
Again huh?

Dude, your role is simple.. when you get the ball 9 or 10 times in the first half make something happen. If you cant cause of your own issues or cause theres just nothing there quit acting surprised when you dont get the ball more.

When 5 of your 10 carries are for 2 yards or less and 4 more are for 3 yards each it shouldnt be hard to understand why the plug is pulled.

That may indeed exactly be his role, and it does seem self-evident to you and to me (and maybe to Parcells).

The fact that Julius does not seem to grasp this indicates to me that it has not been explained to him in these simple terms.

Now, you might argue that this is the role of every starting running back ... and you'd be right.

I would suggest that Julius needs to have this reiterated to him. However, I also think he needs to have it explained to him how critical to the team's success his individual runs are at the beginning of the game to get the offense into a rhythm.

His blocking role should be stressed as a critical component in making the element of surprise work on a first and 10 passing play.

He should be told to complement the linemen or fullback if he sees them make a key block that springs a nice run.

It should be stressed to him that he can be the key to offsetting a powerful rush from the opposing defense by running a successful screen early on.

The picture should be painted that he is one of the most crucial components in establishing the team's smash-mouth, take-no-prisoners attitude early in a game.

Now, you may argue that he is paid millions to understand all this, and maybe you have a point.

I would argue that no one has actually sat him down and reenforced these points with him. I would back up that argument by pointing out that if all of these things were self-evident, he wouldn't be asking these questions.

Sometimes "just shut up and play better" doesn't quite hit the mark.
 

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Great post on the idea of communicating roles to the players/employees, Bob. I think that's exactly the kind of thing that goes on.

And on another note, I'm not surprised Jones is getting bashed for asking. Ever since Hutch asked his role, it's as if you're a no-good, dirty, non-team player if you ask about it. But he was cut because Parcells didn't like him and he wasn't any good, not because there's something inherently wrong with wanting to know your role. Players know they have roles on the team, they just don't want to be left in the dark as to what that is... Just as Bob said.

And could that be a problem, as Superpunk said? Sure. Who would be in the frame of mind to show up to work every day and not know what the boss expected of you? Wouldn't you at least want to know what he or she wanted from you?

And what if the "leader" keeping you in the dark was giving you game plans that you saw each week weren't working, and he refused to change them?...
 

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Chocolate Lab;1284324 said:
Great post on the idea of communicating roles to the players/employees, Bob. I think that's exactly the kind of thing that goes on.

And on another note, I'm not surprised Jones is getting bashed for asking. Ever since Hutch asked his role, it's as if you're a no-good, dirty, non-team player if you ask about it. But he was cut because Parcells didn't like him and he wasn't any good, not because there's something inherently wrong with wanting to know your role. Players know they have roles on the team, they just don't want to be left in the dark as to what that is... Just as Bob said.

And could that be a problem, as Superpunk said? Sure. Who would be in the frame of mind to show up to work every day and not know what the boss expected of you? Wouldn't you at least want to know what he or she wanted from you?

And what if the "leader" keeping you in the dark was giving you game plans that you saw each week weren't working, and he refused to change them?...

BINGO !!!

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Could Julius's woes be a result of last year's ankle injury? Some say you're never the same after a high ankle sprain. Maybe he knows he can't cut like he used to so he runs straight ahead as much as possible. He's still awesome when he finds a hole (77-yarder) that allows him to run straight, but he doesn't seem to cut or do any type of lateral movement like he used to.
 

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Why are we making this so complicated? His role is he's the starting RB of the Dallas Cowboys. It's not like he's a spot player. Some games he plays and some he's placed on inactive. We're not pulling a Keith Davis on you where one day you're the starting FS and the next you're nothing but a ST'er.

No you're not gonna get the ball 30-35 times a game no matter what. More like 20-25. But to even get that many, you (and the o-line by association) have to prove it's in the offenses best interest to give it to you that many times on a given day.

You've had one game in the last couple months where it looked right out of the chute like you'd be able to make some noise. We saw it right away. Not just the 77 yarder, but your other carries were quality too. Unfortunately the D was soooo bad that day it was kinda lost. But that was the only game recently where it looked like you could be a factor. The rest looked like it might've just as well been Kincade toting it instead.

Then the other day again when over the first 10 chances you get, 9 are sub par, why do you think you should get another 10? Just cause?
 

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Jones is out once the season ends. Granted, the offensive line has stunk it up for him, but he hasn't helped himself either.

Next.
 

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DipChit;1284361 said:
Why are we making this so complicated? His role is he's the starting RB of the Dallas Cowboys. It's not like he's a spot player. Some games he plays and some he's placed on inactive. We're not pulling a Keith Davis on you where one day you're the starting FS and the next you're nothing but a ST'er.

No you're not gonna get the ball 30-35 times a game no matter what. More like 20-25. But to even get that many, you (and the o-line by association) have to prove it's in the offenses best interest to give it to you that many times.

You've had one game in the last couple months where it looked right out of the chute like you'd be able to make some noise. We saw it right away. Not just the 77 yarder, but your other carries were quality too. Unfortunately the D was soooo bad that day it was kinda lost. But that was the only game recently where it looked like you could be a factor. The rest looked like it might've just as well been Kincade toting it instead.

Then the other day again when over the first 10 chances you get, 9 are sub par, why do you think you should get another 10? Just cause?

All I'm suggesting is that no one has sat him down and explained the very ideas you laid out in your post. The coaches should be having that exact conversation with him. They aren't ... or else he wouldn't be asking basic questions about his role.

You see it as common sense and obvious. I'm arguing that it may be, but that Julius obviously doesn't understand it, or he wouldn't be asking.
 

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BulletBob;1284374 said:
All I'm suggesting is that no one has sat him down and explained the very ideas you laid out in your post. The coaches should be having that exact conversation with him. They aren't ... or else he wouldn't be asking basic questions about his role.

You see it as common sense and obvious. I'm arguing that it may be, but that Julius obviously doesn't understand it, or he wouldn't be asking.

Or it's just a veiled - "Give me the ball more" request.
 

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Well let's see. He was on track for over 1500 yards, but then Parcells decides to limit his carries to 'extend his career'. Then all of a sudden he goes on to have one of the worst second halves of the season. Extend his career? Sounds like End his career.
 

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superpunk;1284382 said:
Or it's just a veiled - "Give me the ball more" request.

Ahhh, now that's an interesting angle.

If that is the case, it's a whole different ballgame ... and not a pretty one.
 

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BulletBob;1284374 said:
All I'm suggesting is that no one has sat him down and explained the very ideas you laid out in your post. The coaches should be having that exact conversation with him. They aren't ... or else he wouldn't be asking basic questions about his role.

You see it as common sense and obvious. I'm arguing that it may be, but that Julius obviously doesn't understand it, or he wouldn't be asking.

I hear ya, man.

I guess my thing is of all the positions on the field I tend to think RB requires the least amount of instruction at least as it pertains to running plays.

You take the handoff, you try to run to daylight, you try to make guys miss/break tackles and you finish the runs strong.

I understand he prolly thinks he's doing his best and usually thats all you can ask of a player.. but he also has to simply realize that his best in the last 3 of those things hasnt really been good enough, through his own fault or otherwise, to keep dishing it to him.

It'd be like QC saying.. well I'm the QB, and they throw passes.. I dont understand why you're not having me pass it 35-40 times a game like other QB's do. Well um, cause you're not that great of a passer right now (and/or we cant protect you due to o-line issues) so if we let you do that it wouldnt work very good.
 

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I don't care who we have at RB, I want a real FB (Brian Leonard please). I have been rewatching tapes of the season and they have been missing some bigtime blocks or falling to the ground cluttering up the holes. Hoyte has been terrible, he tends to go low like he is wrapping up or something, so the person he blocks can still grab jersey to tackle the runner. Lousaka is by far the better blocker, but he tends to hit the wrong guy, allowing a clean shot on the RB.
 
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