Josh Allen > Sam Darnold & Baker Mayfield

[CATCH17]

If you're going to take a QB I think this is the guy you take.

I need to watch more of Rosen but Allen is clearly a 1st round talent and won't be getting the hype that Darnold and Mayfield will be getting and he looks like a better prospect then both of them.

 

[Western]

The Pats drafted Garoppolo (2nd round), when they had Brady.
The Chargers drafted Rivers (1st round), when they had Brees.
The Packers drafted Rodgers (1st round), when they had Favre.
The Steelers drafted Roethlisberger (1st round), when Tommy Maddox was the established starter.
The Chiefs drafted Mahomes (1st round), when they had Alex Smith.
Etc.,

I agree -- you don't pass up on the QB position - especially when the current starter is mediocre, has very minor contract obligation, & the QB position is most important/relevant position on the team.
But, Jerry is not going to have the brains/guts to select a QB.

 

[John813]

I want the Dolphins to take him. Problem is I doubt he falls to 11.

 

[CATCH17]

I want the Dolphins to take him. Problem is I doubt he falls to 11.

I'm fine with Dak. I think he'll continue to improve and we can win a championship with him.

I just think our team around him will have to be better and we can't give him a monster contract in a couple years because he won't be good enough to carry a team himself.

Defense, run game, and coaching will be critical to our success with Dak.


As far as the draft goes.. The more QB's and RB's that get selected before we pick the better.

If 4 QB were taken before we pick that would be great.

 

[Cowboysfan917]

I'm fine with Dak. I think he'll continue to improve and we can win a championship with him.

I just think our team around him will have to be better and we can't give him a monster contract in a couple years because he won't be good enough to carry a team himself.

Defense, run game, and coaching will be critical to our success with Dak.


As far as the draft goes.. The more QB's and RB's that get selected before we pick the better.

If 4 QB were taken before we pick that would be great.

This is all true BUT here is my problem with that thought process... I don’t care about making the playoffs and maybe winning a playoff game. Romo carried the lousy coaching staff and subpar roster to this height, as much as any one player could.

I want what the Patriots have: a dynasty.

We need an elite QB and an elite coach to get that. Both are difficult to find but an elite QB can overcome quite a bit and always give us a chance.

 

[CATCH17]

This is all true BUT here is my problem with that thought process... I don’t care about making the playoffs and maybe winning a playoff game. Romo carried the lousy coaching staff and subpar roster to this height, as much as any one player could.

I want what the Patriots have: a dynasty.

We need an elite QB and an elite coach to get that. Both are difficult to find but an elite QB can overcome quite a bit and always give us a chance.

Nobody is the Patriots though.

The PAtriots play in a trash division that basically gets them a 1st round bye every year and then on top of that they have a great QB and great HC.

Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL and he only has 1 Superbowl.

So I don't know how we get to that level of football even with a top flight QB.

 

[Plankton]

The dude couldn't complete more than 56% of his passes in his career, playing in a league that is renowned for not playing defense.

He's a lot more Kyle Boller than he is Carson Wentz. I think Allen has bust written all over him.

 

[CATCH17]

The dude couldn't complete more than 56% of his passes in his career, playing in a league that is renowned for not playing defense.

He's a lot more Kyle Boller than he is Carson Wentz. I think Allen has bust written all over him.

Maybe but college completion percetanges aren't really a concern for me since so many are inflated with all of the short passing they do but it is a concern with him because he did play in a small conference but at least he played in a pro scheme.

 

[joseephuss]

The Pats drafted Garoppolo (2nd round), when they had Brady.
The Chargers drafted Rivers (1st round), when they had Brees.
The Packers drafted Rodgers (1st round), when they had Favre.
The Steelers drafted Roethlisberger (1st round), when Tommy Maddox was the established starter.
The Chiefs drafted Mahomes (1st round), when they had Alex Smith.
Etc.,

I agree -- you don't pass up on the QB position - especially when the current starter is mediocre, has very minor contract obligation, & the QB position is most important/relevant position on the team.
But, Jerry is not going to have the brains/guts to select a QB.

Except for Brees, all of those veteran QBs were in their 30s. It made sense to look for their potential replacements. And while Tommy Maddox was the starter in Pittsburgh he wasn't a top QB. He barely had more TDs than interceptions and his TD totals weren't that great.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

No.

Not even close.

 

[visionary]

This is all true BUT here is my problem with that thought process... I don’t care about making the playoffs and maybe winning a playoff game. Romo carried the lousy coaching staff and subpar roster to this height, as much as any one player could.

I want what the Patriots have: a dynasty.

We need an elite QB and an elite coach to get that. Both are difficult to find but an elite QB can overcome quite a bit and always give us a chance.

This

 

[CATCH17]

No.

Not even close.

He's got better arm talent then both.

I don't know what his mental makeup is but he has some agility, has played under center, and can hum the football into tight windows.

 

[btcutter]

Maybe but college completion percetanges aren't really a concern for me since so many are inflated with all of the short passing they do but it is a concern with him because he did play in a small conference but at least he played in a pro scheme.

If he can't complete 60% of his passes in college where D is bad and there's more short passing then he'll never complete > 60% in the NFL.
Scouts and GM like to THINK they can coach QB's into better throwing mechanics and increase their completion %. BUT usually it doesn't happened. These kids have been throwing this way since pee wee football. It's pretty difficult to revamp throwing motion (check Philip River's motion).
I forget who's rule it was...Maybe Bill Parcells. He's looking for 3-4 yr starter, completion %> 60, winning record. That's the baseline of where I would start with drafting QB.

 

[CATCH17]

If he can't complete 60% of his passes in college where D is bad and there's more short passing then he'll never complete > 60% in the NFL.
Scouts and GM like to THINK they can coach QB's into better throwing mechanics and increase their completion %. BUT usually it doesn't happened. These kids have been throwing this way since pee wee football. It's pretty difficult to revamp throwing motion (check Philip River's motion).
I forget who's rule it was...Maybe Bill Parcells. He's looking for 3-4 yr starter, completion %> 60, winning record. That's the baseline of where I would start with drafting QB.

Ok but do you not see him completing 60% of his passes in an OU style of offense?

He's throwing downfield.

I like the talent. Maybe he needs to work on some things but that's an arm. He's getting Brett Favre zip on that ball.

 

[btcutter]

Ok but do you not see him completing 60% of his passes in an OU style of offense?

He's throwing downfield.

I like the talent. Maybe he needs to work on some things but that's an arm. He's getting Brett Favre zip on that ball.

Nice arm but still.....
He plays against MAC defense and can't complete 60%. So imagine in NFL offense.
Rosen throws down field. >60% career. That's who I take. Watch USC vs UCLA game and the QBs....Rosen >> Darnold. I don't know what "It" Darnold has.....maybe he does. But base off that game because it was so easy to see the difference between those two...Take Rosen and not look back.

 

[CATCH17]

Nice arm but still.....
He plays against MAC defense and can't complete 60%. So imagine in NFL offense.
Rosen throws down field. >60% career. That's who I take. Watch USC vs UCLA game and the QBs....Rosen >> Darnold. I don't know what "It" Darnold has.....maybe he does. But base off that game because it was so easy to see the difference between those two...Take Rosen and not look back.

I believe in the Parcells theory about being a senior QB and all of that stuff correlating with success. There isn't very many good NFL QB's that came out as JR's. Most that have had some success are recent.

I don't know a lot about Allens mental makeup and work ethic but physical ability is there at a high level and I would say a higher level then Darnold and Baker.

 

[Plankton]

Ok but do you not see him completing 60% of his passes in an OU style of offense?

He's throwing downfield.

I like the talent. Maybe he needs to work on some things but that's an arm. He's getting Brett Favre zip on that ball.

Kyle Boller threw a ball from his knees on the 50 yard line through the goal posts. He had an absolute cannon for an arm.....

.....and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with any consistency. Allen is very much the same. In the same offense that Carson Wentz played in (his old coach, Craig Bohl, coached Allen the last couple of years), Allen couldn't get above 56%. Wentz completed 64% of his passes.

Aikman said it himself during the playoff game - accuracy is the most important skill for a QB above all, and is not something that gets better with time. Either you have it or you don't. Allen has not shown it.

 

[RS12]

Name the last QB to from the NCAA completing under 60% that had a successful NFL career. Let Elway or the Jets try and figure that out.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Rumor is the browns will Take Josh Allen

 

[Direwolf63]

Allen, Rosen and Darnold will all be long gone by #19. Probably Mayfield too.

I would look at Luke Falk later in the draft.