Joyner: Red-flag prospects

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Most of the NFL draft discussion this time of year revolves around the strengths of blue-chip prospects, but just as much attention should be paid to the red flags of some of these prospects. It takes just one significant weakness for a player to go from productive selection to a pick that doesn't pan out, and some of the elite talents in this year's draft crop have this flaw, in the form of a metric red flag that suggests some level of buyer beware should be in order.


Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina Gamecocks

Red flag: low volume of one-on-one sacks

There have been a litany of reasons to account for Clowney's decline to three sacks this past year, but the truth of the matter is he hasn't fared well in the one-on-one sack category over the past two seasons.

A one-on-one sack is defined as a defender beating a blocker and getting to the quarterback in the pocket within three seconds of the snap. The importance of this metric is that it illustrates the ability to generate a pass rush without any play-calling bells and whistles.

Two of Clowney's three sacks this past year were of the one-on-one variety, which is a drop-off from his 2012 total of six one-on-one sacks. But as noted in an article I wrote prior to the 2013 season, that total of six wasn't as impressive as it sounds. Quoting that article: "One [of the one-on-one sacks] occurred against Florida when the Gators got the bright idea to block Clowney with Jordan Reed. Beating Reed, a tight end whom Scouts Inc. gave a very low 4 blocking grade in its pre-draft analysis of his skills, really isn't something for Clowney to hang his hat on.

"Clowney posted another one-on-one sack in the second half of the Missouri game after the Gamecocks were up 21-3. His one-on-one sack against Kentucky came late in the fourth quarter when South Carolina was ahead 35-17. These might technically qualify as sacks that help close out a game, but they were more of the caliber of stat-padders than true impact plays."

This inability to consistently generate one-on-one sacks during competitive phases of games is part of why Clowney was shut out in the sack department in 20 of his 36 career college games. His physical skills indicate he can rush the passer better than this, but a track record of this caliber should not be overlooked.

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Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State Bulldogs

Red flag: low completion percentage when under duress

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Carr completed only 30.9 percent of his passes when under duress (defined as when the quarterback is forced from the pocket, forced to alter his throwing motion, forced to move within the pocket due to pressure, having a defender clear in his line of sight, or being hit while throwing the ball).

That is the lowest duress completion percentage of any of the top quarterback prospects, but even more important is how this compares against the duress numbers posted by current NFL passers.

Last year, the leaguewide completion percentage when under duress was 41.5 percent, and only three quarterbacks had a duress completion percentage lower than Carr's collegiate total. If Carr wasn't able to hold up well against a strong pass rush against a lower level of competition, it stands to reason he might not fare well in that metric at the pro level.

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Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State Buckeyes

Red flag: subpar yards-per-attempt (YPA) metrics

Roby's draft stock is being pulled in both directions, with his physical tools and potential having an upward influence and his recent legal issues having a downward influence.

The downward trend could continue if his coverage metrics are taken into account. Roby posted an 8.2 yards per attempt mark last year and had an 11.8 vertical YPA (VYPA, a measure of production on aerials traveling 11 or more yards downfield) and a 14.0 stretch vertical YPA (on passes thrown 20 or more yards).

Those numbers fall well short of Darqueze Dennard's insanely great coverage metrics (3.9 YPA, 3.4 VYPA, 3.0 SVYPA) and also did not come anywhere close to measuring up to his Ohio State teammate Doran Grant (5.7 YPA, 5.9 VYPA, 5.6 SVYPA).

To be fair, Roby's numbers were a lot better when blown coverages are factored out of the equation (6.0 YPA, 8.2 VYPA, 8.3 SVYPA), but mistake plays can occur at the NFL level just as easily as they can at the collegiate level.

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Anthony Barr, LB, UCLA Bruins

Red flag: low number of total pressures

Sacks are not the only byproduct of a good pass rush, as the most effective defenders combine sacks with a high number of quarterback knockdowns.

Barr starred in the sacks column; his 10 sacks ranked tied for 12th in the nation among defenders from BCS-caliber conferences and second among BCS conference linebackers. But he did not hold his ground as well when knockdowns are accounted for. According to Stats LLC, Barr had 27 total pressures, a metric that tracks how often a player generates a sack or a quarterback knockdown. That mark placed him 26th among defenders from BCS-caliber conferences and seventh among BCS linebackers. This suggests his pass-rushing skills may not be as far ahead of his draft competitors' as the sack total might indicate.

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Marqise Lee, WR, USC Trojans

Red flag: relatively low YPA when facing a cornerback or safety

According to a study I did reviewing the metrics of the top wide receivers in the 2014 NFL draft, Lee posted a 7.9 YPA when facing a cornerback or safety in direct coverage. That total ranked dead last among the eight pass-catchers in that analysis, and was more than 2 yards behind the next-lowest total in that statistic (Odell Beckham Jr., 10.0 YPA). It is also worth noting that the typical midpoint for an NFL wide receiver in this metric is generally in the 8.0 YPA range, so if Lee doesn't improve this total, he may end up being a mid- to lower-tier wideout at the next level.
 

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good stuff, thank you. the irony here is that most of these guys are going in the first round, and those that don't likely go early 2nd
 

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In regards to Barr and anyone else with a lower number of pressures, I have read several articles discussing how the prevalence of the read-option has really affected the number of pressures players get. Because players so often have to wait and read the QB now, they get less pressures. Most sacks come on obvious passing downs now. This could be a big reason for the low pressure numbers of several of the top dline candidates, particularly those in conferences with several read-option teams like the PAC-12.

The only one of those red flags that really worries me is Carr's. The rest of those all seem coachable.
 

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Read this earlier and thought most of it was the writer grasping for straws. You could come up with some random statistic to make any player to make them look worse than they are.
 

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Read this earlier and thought most of it was the writer grasping for straws. You could come up with some random statistic to make any player to make them look worse than they are.

it's not only that but if you don't take the whole picture into account the numbers can also be misleading.

in Lee's case for example there is no mention of the horrifying QB play that USC dealt with this year. i would guess that the year before with Barkley that number was quite a bit better. he was also hurt part of this year which hindered his play a bit.

but just to throw out that YPA number and say he needs to improve it seems a bit short sighted when looking at the QB play and the lack of a good running game for a good part of the season. not to mention that he really wasn't targeted as much as you would think when he was in there b/c the QB would throw a lot to RBs and to the other receivers and tight ends (partially due to the fact that Lee was given more attention by the defense)

IMO if there was a red flag on Lee it would be a combination of some bad drops along with poor ball security running after the catch
 

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In regards to Barr and anyone else with a lower number of pressures, I have read several articles discussing how the prevalence of the read-option has really affected the number of pressures players get. Because players so often have to wait and read the QB now, they get less pressures. Most sacks come on obvious passing downs now. This could be a big reason for the low pressure numbers of several of the top dline candidates, particularly those in conferences with several read-option teams like the PAC-12.

The only one of those red flags that really worries me is Carr's. The rest of those all seem coachable.

Even if that were true, and I think that's exaggerated, it would still be relative to your peers. He's stacking Barr up against the other edge rushers when evaluating his pressures total.
 

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Even if that were true, and I think that's exaggerated, it would still be relative to your peers. He's stacking Barr up against the other edge rushers when evaluating his pressures total.

How many of those guys he's evaluating him against are also 3-4 OLB's who didn't rush the passer on every snap?
 

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Pretty sure M. Lee has one of the highest % of drops among the top rated WRs.
 

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Are these stats compiled over the players entire careers or are they just 2013?
 

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With regards to pressures, good points about Barr being an OLB with occasional coverage responsibilities & the conference he played in featuring some potent read option attacks.

I would also add that Barr may well need more technique refinement than some...but that's at least somewhat of a product of him having switched positions from RB to pass rusher. Technique can be taught...whereas his size (with room to grow) and athletcisim, can't be. He dips & bends the corner quite well...and is developing a nice swim move. I think the position switch and his production at the new position on opposite sides of the ball, not only highlights his athleticism...but also speaks well of his potential ability to adapt & take to coaching. It may also indicate that he's an unselfish player, as he reportedly came to UCLA with the expectations of remaining at RB.
 

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joyner is just looking for statistical outliers. this is a good article in that sense.
 

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Two things. With Carr, the offensive design probably played a role. Remember that he played a lot of games with an Abdominal Hernia from the spread. He was coached to simply get ride of the ball when facing a lot of pressure.

With Lee, his numbers are probably worse because of the QB play at USC.
 
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