Just because you paid him does not make him worth it

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Most QBs need pieces around them. Most SB winners have a very good defense. The niners had a running game and defense. Heck the egirls win with foles.

People watch brady win a basket full of sb rings and think a qb can carry a team. Does Dak need more pieces than others.. maybe. But he can get it done. We had a descent team but started expecting more maybe to fast from a second year QB. 2016 was a amazing year for a rookie. He has learned to beat the blitz. Now he is working on reading defenses. Should be more confident in letting it go. He was improving every year until a nasty injury. I am wanting to see what this year brings with a improved Defense.

We should be building off last year. I don't see where we did that. You want to cut Cooper? Fine. But you cut him to extend a WR that was injured in January that you KNOW will miss the first 6 games? How is that building? Bobby Wagner should have been on this team. That would have allowed us to be more flexible in how we use Parsons. And it would have given Micah an unbelievable blueprint to follow. Plus Wagner played for Dan Quinn. We have cap room. Other teams seem to keep who they want AND sign who they want. It seems like yesterday the Rams had a very high priced Goff and Gurley. Made a Super Bowl run. Moved off of both of them. And made another run with another QB...and added Ramsey and OBJ and Von Miller. Also kept Kupp and Donald. You get my point?

 

[Ranched]

Dak is who he is. His ceiling is Russell Wilson. BUT. BUT. You have to have the right pieces around him. Coaching, the Legion of Boom, the running game and defense allowed Russell Wilson to be the best version of himself and he maximized his potential and had a couple of Super Bowl runs. Mike McCarthy is no Pete Carrol. And AT&T stadium is not the homefield advantage that Seattle had. I And we now know it was not McCarthy in Green Bay, it was Rodgers. And I don't care what stats Dak has/will put up...he ain't Rodgers.

"We"?! It wasn't Wodgers when MM was in GB. If it WAS Wodgers than why does he ONLY HAVE ONE RING IN HIS 16 YEAR TENURE? You "can't take this team seriously" because you have a man crush on Wilson & Carroll. Go cheer for them. Stop comparing a 16 year quarterback to a 6 year quarterback. Ridiculous thread on our beloved Quarterback. Ignore Ignited....

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Franchise QBs are going to get paid big bucks. It's just the way it is.

I agree. But know what you got...regardless of what you paid him...and know what he needs around him to be successful.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

His ceiling is not Russell Wilson lol

His ceiling was reached in 2016. That was the best, most complete, and most efficient version of Dak we've seen. That's a Dak that we can win with. He's been chasing that ghosts ever since.

He definitely is not as good as Russell. But the best version of Dak is what Russell was for those teams is my point.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I said I don't have a problem with Dak getting paid. But much like Jerry expected Zeke to carry the load last year, he expects Dak to elevate average WRs. Mostly because of how much of the cap is allocated to them. Zeke being forced to carry the load was Jerry's way of sending the message that your paycheck demands you EARN it. And Jerry has ALWAYS been like this. But sports is NOT like this. If you are hurt, you are hurt. I don't care if you are the highest paid or on a veteran minimum. Zeke was HURT last year. It happens. Next man up. But not in Jerry world.

Daks price tag suggest he should be elevate average WRs in Jerry's mind. And yes, a lot of other QBs have the same price tag. But does not make Dak or them great. So put the right team around Dak to set him up for success!

I agree with this, and it's why the FO needs to be more proactive. Dak has the skills, in my view, to get us where we need to go. However, when your most experienced WRs are Noah Brown followed by CeeDee Lamb (excluding Washington and Gallup, who are hurt), that's kind of a problem. We need to add at least one more WR like Sanders or DJax. If we do that, then this team can go to the next level. This defence is excellent, the WRs, not so much. We also, as I've said, need to make sure our NTs stay top notch.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

He definitely is not as good as Russell. But the best version of Dak is what Russell was for those teams is my point.

The Legion of Boom years version of Wilson? I thought you meant that his ceiling is prime years Russell Wilson. My bad.

Yeah, I can see that, because Wilson was carried big time in those years by that defense and handing the ball to Lynch.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

You talk about Russell Wilson as if he's a bum. You do know that guy is one of the very top QBs in the league right?

Love him. He could play for me any day. But he has not been the same since there run. Not saying it is his fault. Not saying what is going in Dallas is Dak's fault. I am just wondering out loud why Jerry would downgrade the talent on the team in the middle of Daks prime and with Zeke nearing the end!

 

[john van brocklin]

I don't have a problem with Dak getting paid. It is what it is. But just because you paid him...that does not mean his performance equates to his paycheck. Jerry should KNOW this. Just because Dallas is the most highly valued franchise in all of sports...that does not mean the product on the field is the cream of the crop. Jerry is reluctant to pay people because he is not sure their performance will equal their paycheck...but he has no problem stuffing his pockets with all the money he can, all the while the performance of his team does not reflect the franchise value.

Dak is who he is. His ceiling is Russell Wilson. BUT. BUT. You have to have the right pieces around him. Coaching, the Legion of Boom, the running game and defense allowed Russell Wilson to be the best version of himself and he maximized his potential and had a couple of Super Bowl runs. Why would we take the #1 offense in the NFL last year....and downgrade the WRs corps by a lot? The Oline is downgraded. The RB position is downgraded (Zeke is who he is at this point...and you don't get better as you age). Mike McCarthy is no Pete Carrol. And AT&T stadium is not the homefield advantage that Seattle had.

We have seen Dak without WRs before. It was not pretty. We are trying something that has already failed. Teams are going to load the box and force Dak to beat them with Lamb and (3rd round rookie, USFL star, undrafted rookie etc...). We will try to run into a loaded box. Get into predictable 3rd and longs when the run is stuffed. And be under a lot of pressure to convert unfavorable down and distances multiple times per drive. Oh, I forgot to mix in a penalty from the OL. Like I said, we have seen this before, it is not rocket science. Oh, I almost forgot, we will probably put up enough yards to appear.....

I cannot take this team seriously. I knew not to take them seriously when I witnessed the comedy club act at McCarthys signing. Then he immediately went to work proving to be the clown we now know he is. The one thing Jerry had done over the Garrett years and now McCarthy... is keep enough talent on the field to give off the appearance of a title team in SPITE of the coaching. But the one thing you HAVE to have when your talent on the field is AVERAGE....is good coaching. And going into this season, I seriously question the talent on the field. And we now know it was not McCarthy in Green Bay, it was Rodgers. And I don't care what stats Dak has/will put up...he ain't Rodgers.

Zekes contract is the one I worry about.

 

[foofighters]

Dak has been one of the best and most accurate deep ball passers in recent years. Seriously don't know what you are talking about.

This whole QB thing is interesting. I was pretty involved back in the Romo days and now that we have Dak, I find myself distancing myself from this conversation. Dak is fine. My issue with Dak is that I'd like him to hit guys in stride a little better. You bet he's got good accuracy but his WRs could get more yardage (at times) if he'd hit them in stride on a more consistent basis. That being sad, Dak is good enough to bring home a trophy. Just like I used to say that Romo was never going to be good enough to overcome the leadership above, I doubt Dak will be able to do it either. Jerry talks a good game. He's got millions of people thinking he cares about football and he does but it's not his first priority. Money and fame (infamy) are what drives the Jones boys and that's not conducive to winning championships.

 

[blueblood70]

I don't have a problem with Dak getting paid. It is what it is. But just because you paid him...that does not mean his performance equates to his paycheck. Jerry should KNOW this. Just because Dallas is the most highly valued franchise in all of sports...that does not mean the product on the field is the cream of the crop. Jerry is reluctant to pay people because he is not sure their performance will equal their paycheck...but he has no problem stuffing his pockets with all the money he can, all the while the performance of his team does not reflect the franchise value.

Dak is who he is. His ceiling is Russell Wilson. BUT. BUT. You have to have the right pieces around him. Coaching, the Legion of Boom, the running game and defense allowed Russell Wilson to be the best version of himself and he maximized his potential and had a couple of Super Bowl runs. Why would we take the #1 offense in the NFL last year....and downgrade the WRs corps by a lot? The Oline is downgraded. The RB position is downgraded (Zeke is who he is at this point...and you don't get better as you age). Mike McCarthy is no Pete Carrol. And AT&T stadium is not the homefield advantage that Seattle had.

We have seen Dak without WRs before. It was not pretty. We are trying something that has already failed. Teams are going to load the box and force Dak to beat them with Lamb and (3rd round rookie, USFL star, undrafted rookie etc...). We will try to run into a loaded box. Get into predictable 3rd and longs when the run is stuffed. And be under a lot of pressure to convert unfavorable down and distances multiple times per drive. Oh, I forgot to mix in a penalty from the OL. Like I said, we have seen this before, it is not rocket science. Oh, I almost forgot, we will probably put up enough yards to appear.....

I cannot take this team seriously. I knew not to take them seriously when I witnessed the comedy club act at McCarthys signing. Then he immediately went to work proving to be the clown we now know he is. The one thing Jerry had done over the Garrett years and now McCarthy... is keep enough talent on the field to give off the appearance of a title team in SPITE of the coaching. But the one thing you HAVE to have when your talent on the field is AVERAGE....is good coaching. And going into this season, I seriously question the talent on the field. And we now know it was not McCarthy in Green Bay, it was Rodgers. And I don't care what stats Dak has/will put up...he ain't Rodgers.

it does, hes a top 10 qb, top 7 numbers, and now his deal is now around 7-8 for starting qbs,,

when you wipe the hater troll egg blast off your face let me know..typi g a book doesn't make your horribly off base opinion any stronger.

the hate for dak around here is insane. go play somewhere else..im not reading past the first line..

 

[blueblood70]

I don't have a problem with Dak getting paid. It is what it is. But just because you paid him...that does not mean his performance equates to his paycheck. Jerry should KNOW this. Just because Dallas is the most highly valued franchise in all of sports...that does not mean the product on the field is the cream of the crop. Jerry is reluctant to pay people because he is not sure their performance will equal their paycheck...but he has no problem stuffing his pockets with all the money he can, all the while the performance of his team does not reflect the franchise value.

Dak is who he is. His ceiling is Russell Wilson. BUT. BUT. You have to have the right pieces around him. Coaching, the Legion of Boom, the running game and defense allowed Russell Wilson to be the best version of himself and he maximized his potential and had a couple of Super Bowl runs. Why would we take the #1 offense in the NFL last year....and downgrade the WRs corps by a lot? The Oline is downgraded. The RB position is downgraded (Zeke is who he is at this point...and you don't get better as you age). Mike McCarthy is no Pete Carrol. And AT&T stadium is not the homefield advantage that Seattle had.

We have seen Dak without WRs before. It was not pretty. We are trying something that has already failed. Teams are going to load the box and force Dak to beat them with Lamb and (3rd round rookie, USFL star, undrafted rookie etc...). We will try to run into a loaded box. Get into predictable 3rd and longs when the run is stuffed. And be under a lot of pressure to convert unfavorable down and distances multiple times per drive. Oh, I forgot to mix in a penalty from the OL. Like I said, we have seen this before, it is not rocket science. Oh, I almost forgot, we will probably put up enough yards to appear.....

I cannot take this team seriously. I knew not to take them seriously when I witnessed the comedy club act at McCarthys signing. Then he immediately went to work proving to be the clown we now know he is. The one thing Jerry had done over the Garrett years and now McCarthy... is keep enough talent on the field to give off the appearance of a title team in SPITE of the coaching. But the one thing you HAVE to have when your talent on the field is AVERAGE....is good coaching. And going into this season, I seriously question the talent on the field. And we now know it was not McCarthy in Green Bay, it was Rodgers. And I don't care what stats Dak has/will put up...he ain't Rodgers.

just because you are allowed to post, doesn't make this post any more valid. you are a below average clown of a fan..does that vibe with your post?? we all have opinions, chew on that for a while.

 

[blueblood70]

Exactly, has the OP seen the money Murray just got paid? And his leadership sucks and he doesn't know what game tape is. Dak's contract looks like a bargain by comparison, and wait until Lamar Jackson gets paid.

apparently not and now daks salary is now around 7-8 for starting qbs.,.seems about right ((shrug))

dak haters are now ESPN for me

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

apparently not and now daks salary is now around 7-8 for starting qbs.,.seems about right ((shrug))

dak haters are now ESPN for me

And it's going to go down that pole as more QBs get signed.

 

[Creeper]

The subject line of this thread applies to every player on the team.

A similar concept is, just because you draft a player in the first round does not make him a better player.

 

[pitt33]

But it's gonna be hard for any QB to find success on a Jerry Jones run team.

This is exactly why you need an elite quarterback to advance this team deeper in the playoffs. Dak does not fall into that category.

This FO has proven it cannot build a solid foundation around a quarterback.

This is my point regarding the quarterback position. He has to be a superior talent to get this team where it wants to go.

 

[Big D]

Love him. He could play for me any day. But he has not been the same since there run. Not saying it is his fault. Not saying what is going in Dallas is Dak's fault. I am just wondering out loud why Jerry would downgrade the talent on the team in the middle of Daks prime and with Zeke nearing the end!

I get it. I think instead of bringing in one of these weirdos like ab or obj in for talent, we can redistribute those touches to pollard since we spent all last year lobbying for it.

 

[McKDaddy]

His ceiling is Russell Wilson.

Not a bad post but man you lost me on this statement. Dak has never sniffed being the player Russ is. If he were, there wouldn't be all the discussions about where he struggles.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

just because you are allowed to post, doesn't make this post any more valid. you are a below average clown of a fan..does that vibe with your post?? we all have opinions, chew on that for a while.

Clown of a fan? That's funny. Your football IQ disqualifies you from sitting at the table with me.

Find some other kids in this forum to play with. You don't have the credentials to enter the room I'm in.

 

[shabazz]

Not a bad post but man you lost me on this statement. Dak has never sniffed being the player Russ is. If he were, there wouldn't be all the discussions about where he struggles.

the voice of reason…….95% of us wish we had Russell Wilson…..weve got Kirk Cousins 2.0

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Not a bad post but man you lost me on this statement. Dak has never sniffed being the player Russ is. If he were, there wouldn't be all the discussions about where he struggles.

I agree, that is why I said that is his ceiling. He will never be Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes. But he can play a Russell Wilson type role with the right pieces around him. I love Russell Wilson. I also like Dak. Get Dak the right environment and we can be successful.