Just re-watched the game..

[RoyTheHammer]

Just Rewatched the Game

Couple thoughts:​

Our OL played a DAMN good game. That Lion defensive front is friggin tough with Suh, Corey Williams, and Van Damme. Kosier played particularly well going against Suh most of the time, with help from Costa. The OT's looked good as well, and Nagy did a good job with some pulls too. Got a nice push in the run game as well, you could tell especially in the third and fourth quarters, when we did decide to run the ball we were having pretty good success at getting chunks of yards at a time. Good sign for the young OL.​

Watched Newman again on D, and i still don't get how far he lines up off his man most of the time. Watch Jenk, or Ball/Walker when they play the outside..none of them line up that far off their man nearly as much. I don't know if he just doesn't have confidence or what, but the last couple years he does that alot, and its no coincidence that he gives up so many catches in front of him. My count was at least 6 completions in front of him against the Lions. He simply doesn't contest passes nearly enough for a guy with his athletic ability. I'll give him credit he usually makes the sure tackle, but you can throw passes underneath on him all day.​

Walker had a silly penalty at the end there in the end zone, but why the hell is he being asked to cover a huge physical TE at the goalline anyway? Pettigrew isn't a scrub. Seems silly.. and it happened once before in the game where Walker made a nice play to break up the TD catch.​

Lee played another good game, although he didn't show up in the box score as much. He's going to be very very good for a long time if he can stay healthy.​

Ware really needs to learn not to jump upfield so far in his pass rush. There were a few times this game where he did that and it seemed like the Lions knew he probably would because they ran right where he lined up and got some nice runs out of it. I noticed this problem with Ware last season, but he does have a tendancy to go upfield too much, too quickly and run himself out of the play.​

Sean Lissemore.. i bet we'll be hearing from this guy alot more. He seems like a disruptive guy at DE who will only get better with experience and i wouldn't be suprised to see him starting next season. I saw him near the ball or pushing the pocket alot against the Lions. Nice job.​

...and Felix. I think this guy gets a bad rap. He's playing with a seperated shoulder and has had two very nice games in a row now. Not as many big plays against the Lions but just a couple solid runs and he shows the ability to make something out of nothing on the reg. Carried some defensive players a couple times as well. He's alot better and tougher than some give him credit for.. def not a scat back.​

I'll give Sensabaugh some credit.. he's key to communicating on the back end apparently because we were simply not as good when he went out. I think there's probably something to what the one Lions receiver said about the defense not playing as hard in the second half though. You could definitely tell because we didn't get much pressure at all compared to the first half. Sad to see that crap happening with a Ryan D.​

 

[kristie]

Just Rewatched the Game

Couple thoughts:​

Our OL played a DAMN good game. That Lion defensive front is friggin tough with Suh, Corey Williams, and Van Damme. Kosier played particularly well going against Suh most of the time, with help from Costa. The OT's looked good as well, and Nagy did a good job with some pulls too. Got a nice push in the run game as well, you could tell especially in the third and fourth quarters, when we did decide to run the ball we were having pretty good success at getting chunks of yards at a time. Good sign for the young OL.​

Watched Newman again on D, and i still don't get how far he lines up off his man most of the time. Watch Jenk, or Ball/Walker when they play the outside..none of them line up that far off their man nearly as much. I don't know if he just doesn't have confidence or what, but the last couple years he does that alot, and its no coincidence that he gives up so many catches in front of him. My count was at least 6 completions in front of him against the Lions. He simply doesn't contest passes nearly enough for a guy with his athletic ability. I'll give him credit he usually makes the sure tackle, but you can throw passes underneath on him all day.​

Walker had a silly penalty at the end there in the end zone, but why the hell is he being asked to cover a huge physical TE at the goalline anyway? Pettigrew isn't a scrub. Seems silly.. and it happened once before in the game where Walker made a nice play to break up the TD catch.​

Lee played another good game, although he didn't show up in the box score as much. He's going to be very very good for a long time if he can stay healthy.​

Ware really needs to learn not to jump upfield so far in his pass rush. There were a few times this game where he did that and it seemed like the Lions knew he probably would because they ran right where he lined up and got some nice runs out of it. I noticed this problem with Ware last season, but he does have a tendancy to go upfield too much, too quickly and run himself out of the play.​

Sean Lissemore.. i bet we'll be hearing from this guy alot more. He seems like a disruptive guy at DE who will only get better with experience and i wouldn't be suprised to see him starting next season. I saw him near the ball or pushing the pocket alot against the Lions. Nice job.​

...and Felix. I think this guy gets a bad rap. He's playing with a seperated shoulder and has had two very nice games in a row now. Not as many big plays against the Lions but just a couple solid runs and he shows the ability to make something out of nothing on the reg. Carried some defensive players a couple times as well. He's alot better and tougher than some give him credit for.. def not a scat back.​

I'll give Sensabaugh some credit.. he's key to communicating on the back end apparently because we were simply not as good when he went out. I think there's probably something to what the one Lions receiver said about the defense not playing as hard in the second half though. You could definitely tell because we didn't get much pressure at all compared to the first half. Sad to see that crap happening with a Ryan D.​

very, very well said.

 

[CCBoy]

Just Rewatched the Game

Couple thoughts:​

Our OL played a DAMN good game. That Lion defensive front is friggin tough with Suh, Corey Williams, and Van Damme. Kosier played particularly well going against Suh most of the time, with help from Costa. The OT's looked good as well, and Nagy did a good job with some pulls too. Got a nice push in the run game as well, you could tell especially in the third and fourth quarters, when we did decide to run the ball we were having pretty good success at getting chunks of yards at a time. Good sign for the young OL.​

Watched Newman again on D, and i still don't get how far he lines up off his man most of the time. Watch Jenk, or Ball/Walker when they play the outside..none of them line up that far off their man nearly as much. I don't know if he just doesn't have confidence or what, but the last couple years he does that alot, and its no coincidence that he gives up so many catches in front of him. My count was at least 6 completions in front of him against the Lions. He simply doesn't contest passes nearly enough for a guy with his athletic ability. I'll give him credit he usually makes the sure tackle, but you can throw passes underneath on him all day.​

Walker had a silly penalty at the end there in the end zone, but why the hell is he being asked to cover a huge physical TE at the goalline anyway? Pettigrew isn't a scrub. Seems silly.. and it happened once before in the game where Walker made a nice play to break up the TD catch.​

Lee played another good game, although he didn't show up in the box score as much. He's going to be very very good for a long time if he can stay healthy.​

Ware really needs to learn not to jump upfield so far in his pass rush. There were a few times this game where he did that and it seemed like the Lions knew he probably would because they ran right where he lined up and got some nice runs out of it. I noticed this problem with Ware last season, but he does have a tendancy to go upfield too much, too quickly and run himself out of the play.​

Sean Lissemore.. i bet we'll be hearing from this guy alot more. He seems like a disruptive guy at DE who will only get better with experience and i wouldn't be suprised to see him starting next season. I saw him near the ball or pushing the pocket alot against the Lions. Nice job.​

...and Felix. I think this guy gets a bad rap. He's playing with a seperated shoulder and has had two very nice games in a row now. Not as many big plays against the Lions but just a couple solid runs and he shows the ability to make something out of nothing on the reg. Carried some defensive players a couple times as well. He's alot better and tougher than some give him credit for.. def not a scat back.​

I'll give Sensabaugh some credit.. he's key to communicating on the back end apparently because we were simply not as good when he went out. I think there's probably something to what the one Lions receiver said about the defense not playing as hard in the second half though. You could definitely tell because we didn't get much pressure at all compared to the first half. Sad to see that crap happening with a Ryan D.​

Film review really is the real deal here.

You present a very good observation.

I would add both Brent and Anthony Spencer alongside your view of Lissemore as deserving future looks as well. They all three showed up in second half play.

I agree on the penalty called upon poor Watkins. It was a game changer, and worth noting to remove elements of futility being given this game.

I liked your analysis of the offensive line. That is very relevant, and I'm feeling that the Red Zone abilities will arrive as well. It is interesting to see just where Derrick Dockery will fit upon his return to play. Good stuff, as it means depth however it plays out.

As to Terence Newman's distance, I think that was schemed by Rob Ryan for this game and against one of the two top producing offenses in the NFL.

Thanks for sharing your look....

 

[28 Joker]

That was tough to watch, again. I watched it again, too. I admire you for that. I can usually watch a loss again (like the Jets), but this one really makes me mad. I had to turn it off before it ended. That young offensive line played really, really good.

If Felix Jones gets 20 rushes, Dallas wins this game, imso, despite all the stupid, sloppy football that was displayed (in the 2nd half). Garrett had an opportunity to salvage that win during the last 4:10, but he didn't do it when he chose not to give Jones the football.

Jones' 1st half/2nd half splits and his home split and his 4th quarter split certainly were in Dallas' favor, big time. However, Jones only rushed the football 2 times in the 4th quarter of this game despite netting 5 yards on his rush from the Dallas 21 (on 2nd down and 9 from the Dallas 21/30-24).

 

[RoyTheHammer]

That was tough to watch, again. I watched it again, too. I admire you for that. I can usually watch a loss again (like the Jets), but this one really makes me mad. I had to turn it off before it ended. That young offensive line played really, really good.

If Felix Jones gets 20 rushes, Dallas wins this game, imso, despite all the stupid, sloppy football that was displayed (in the 2nd half). Garrett had an opportunity to salvage that win during the last 4:10, but he didn't do it when he chose not to give Jones the football.

Jones' 1st half/2nd half splits and his home split and his 4th quarter split certainly were in Dallas' favor, big time. However, Jones only rushed the football 2 times in the 4th quarter of this game despite netting 5 yards on his rush from the Dallas 21 (on 2nd down and 9 from the Dallas 21/30-24).

I actually agree. We were gaining chunks of yards at a time when we ran the ball in the second half.. and there's absolutely no reason to take Felix out for Choice when we're trying to get first downs and run the clock out. He's simply not nearly as dynamic as Jones is. We should have continued to run the ball, if they arn't stopping us, don't let up.

 

[Ring Leader]

Newman takes away the deep ball well but has no chance to stop a quick slant, especially with a larger receiver. If Rob is dead set on playing him 10 yards off the line he needs a linebacker to drop into the inside lane, otherwise it's an automatic 5+ yard slantfest. Why we didn't press and bump Megatron at the LOS and put a safety over the top is puzzling.

 

[CCBoy]

Newman takes away the deep ball well but has no chance to stop a quick slant, especially with a larger receiver. If Rob is dead set on playing him 10 yards off the line he needs a linebacker to drop into the inside lane, otherwise it's an automatic 5+ yard slantfest. Why we didn't press and bump Megatron at the LOS and put a safety over the top is puzzling.

Simply, Rob Ryan had to see just where Terence Newman's skillset were against a top receiver and at crunch time. This will work back towards situations in future games.

 

[Ring Leader]

Simply, Rob Ryan had to see just where Terence Newman's skillset were against a top receiver and at crunch time. This will work back towards situations in future games.

I hope so. A healthy Scandrick and Sency will do wonders for the backfield as well.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I know some of you will think im insane or just dumb for this.. but im done with Terence Newman. These past couple years, he makes almost no attempt to contest passes at all. He gives up so many completions, even if he makes the tackle almost every time. You can throw at him underneath all day long and he won't do a damn thing about it. For as much athletic ability as he has, its pathetic. I'd rather see a player who's not as good like Frank Walker take over on the outside for the rest of the year and then draft a guy or sign a FA in the offseason. In the few games i've seen Walker play so far, he at least stays with his man and makes a play to contest the pass and knock the ball away the majority of the time. I'd rather have a guy who's working hard and trying to make a play then Newman who seems content to let up anything underneath so long as he doesn't get beat deep. You can't play corner effectively that way, and for all his talent.. its time for him to go.

 

[CCBoy]

I know some of you will think im insane or just dumb for this.. but im done with Terence Newman. These past couple years, he makes almost no attempt to contest passes at all. He gives up so many completions, even if he makes the tackle almost every time. You can throw at him underneath all day long and he won't do a damn thing about it. For as much athletic ability as he has, its pathetic. I'd rather see a player who's not as good like Frank Walker take over on the outside for the rest of the year and then draft a guy or sign a FA in the offseason. In the few games i've seen Walker play so far, he at least stays with his man and makes a play to contest the pass and knock the ball away the majority of the time. I'd rather have a guy who's working hard and trying to make a play then Newman who seems content to let up anything underneath so long as he doesn't get beat deep. You can't play corner effectively that way, and for all his talent.. its time for him to go.

Understood, in today's league, there is a very fine line between successfully defensing a pass and actually hurting your team more with a penalty that moves the ball to where it was defended any way. Last season was a career high in interceptions by Terence. It matched the team high by Sensabaugh as well, five. I wouldn't rain on a potential parade day just yet in the season, myself. Let's see how he does against New England. As those five to ten yarders have been seen frequently in the entire defensive scheme, and yet, that Defense is pronouncedly better. That, it's just a single game and a handful of practices into a Terence Newman season, even if the rest of the league has played a quarter of it's.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Understood, in today's league, there is a very fine line between successfully defensing a pass and actually hurting your team more with a penalty that moves the ball to where it was defended any way. Last season was a career high in interceptions by Terence. It matched the team high by Sensabaugh as well, five. I wouldn't rain on a potential parade day just yet in the season, myself. Let's see how he does against New England. As those five to ten yarders have been seen frequently in the entire defensive scheme, and yet, that Defense is pronouncedly better. That, it's just a single game and a handful of practices into a Terence Newman season, even if the rest of the league has played a quarter of it's.

I can't remember many short passes that were completely uncontested as the 5 or 6 that Newman let up last game.. all season long. The thing with him is, its not just the past couple games, its been a couple seasons now of the same from him. People talk about Ball being garbage because he let up a few first downs the one game against the Niners (even if he's played well all year so far beyond those couple plays) yet its like no one notices that teams do that kind of thing to Newman at will. I can remember more than a few critical 3rd downs where he let up a first last season, not even contesting the pass. Its simply time to move on and bring in a guy with more fight in him.

 

[CCBoy]

I can't remember many short passes that were completely uncontested as the 5 or 6 that Newman let up last game.. all season long. The thing with him is, its not just the past couple games, its been a couple seasons now of the same from him. People talk about Ball being garbage because he let up a few first downs the one game against the Niners (even if he's played well all year so far beyond those couple plays) yet its like no one notices that teams do that kind of thing to Newman at will. I can remember more than a few critical 3rd downs where he let up a first last season, not even contesting the pass. Its simply time to move on and bring in a guy with more fight in him.

Just talking this through here. At no point have either Mike Jenkins or Orlando Scandrick surplanted Terence Newman's role of sticking to the opponent's top receiver. There probably is a reliable reason for that.

That this has continued to the present, leads me to think that diminished footspeed is not a major concern as of yet. Right now, I think things are being directed by Dave Campo. And the real adjustment factor are his calls from a Wade Phillips run defense, to one directed by Rob Ryan. Having seen the recent changes, I would have to adjust to that direction and not a previous one in play by Newman.

As to physicality of Newman, he made a wharehouse full of stops last season. And that doesn't happen by being too pretty. Don't get me wrong, as I saw some questionable reads by him this past game. But for me, I'll await a current verdict upon case presented here on out. As the past rests in that graveyard on current values and applications. We'll adjust views, as all three: Newman, Jenkins, and Scandrick are on the carpet simultaneously.

 

[jjktkk]

I actually agree. We were gaining chunks of yards at a time when we ran the ball in the second half.. and there's absolutely no reason to take Felix out for Choice when we're trying to get first downs and run the clock out. He's simply not nearly as dynamic as Jones is. We should have continued to run the ball, if they arn't stopping us, don't let up.

Just guessing, but JG was probably preserving Jones's shoulder. I noticed Jones favoring his shoulder a few times, during the the game.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Good read


I agree 100% on Felix this guy does not get any credit. People are quick to rush him off and say he isn't an every down back. However this guy is running between the tackles and not going down on the first hit. He is don't a good job most of the time picking up hard earned yards. I don't understand the reasoning behind pulling him out for Choice when it was pretty obvious we needed to run the ball. There is a flaw when your starting RB gets 2 carries in the last 4 minutes when you have a lead. I would assume that is where you really want to get him going and setup some 3rd and shorts.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Also after you re-watched the game did you notice anything when it came to play action passes?

Reason I ask is I don't recall hardly any, and I am wondering where that has been this season.

Also what in the world is with this TE screen to Martyb. I would think when running a screen you want to run it with some speed.

 

[CCBoy]

Also after you re-watched the game did you notice anything when it came to play action passes?

Reason I ask is I don't recall hardly any, and I am wondering where that has been this season.

Also what in the world is with this TE screen to Martyb. I would think when running a screen you want to run it with some speed.

With the play-action, it is probably easier to set up with a tight end. On the Bennett screen, they got a first down yardage from it.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Just talking this through here. At no point have either Mike Jenkins or Orlando Scandrick surplanted Terence Newman's role of sticking to the opponent's top receiver. There probably is a reliable reason for that.

That this has continued to the present, leads me to think that diminished footspeed is not a major concern as of yet. Right now, I think things are being directed by Dave Campo. And the real adjustment factor are his calls from a Wade Phillips run defense, to one directed by Rob Ryan. Having seen the recent changes, I would have to adjust to that direction and not a previous one in play by Newman.

As to physicality of Newman, he made a wharehouse full of stops last season. And that doesn't happen by being too pretty. Don't get me wrong, as I saw some questionable reads by him this past game. But for me, I'll await a current verdict upon case presented here on out. As the past rests in that graveyard on current values and applications. We'll adjust views, as all three: Newman, Jenkins, and Scandrick are on the carpet simultaneously.

Newman sticks the opponents top receiver when that receiver is lined up on the outside and on his side.. otherwise, someone else covers him. Dallas doesn't move their corners around, other than moving Newman to the slot on 3rd downs sometimes.

When CJ lined up on Jenkins side of the field, it was he that stuck him. They didn't have Newman follow him around the field.. so the theory that the Cowboys play Newman against the other team's top WR all the time is false.

 

[CowboyStar88]

With the play-action, it is probably easier to set up with a tight end. On the Bennett screen, they got a first down yardage from it.

But if they ran that screen to a RB could it have gained more yardage. I just don't see the match up advantage running it to a slower TE.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Also after you re-watched the game did you notice anything when it came to play action passes?

Reason I ask is I don't recall hardly any, and I am wondering where that has been this season.

Also what in the world is with this TE screen to Martyb. I would think when running a screen you want to run it with some speed.

Its hard to focus on more than a few things and get a good analysis, but i did notice at least one play action pass was the big play to Robinson on the deep in route. It was a play action pass and the SS bit hard leaving the middle of the field wide open when Laurant beat his man.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

But if they ran that screen to a RB could it have gained more yardage. I just don't see the match up advantage running it to a slower TE.

There's definitely a matchup advantage running screens for Marty B. Guy is fast, and huge. He's tough to bring down. I'd keep that play handy all season and run it at least a couple times every game.