Kamerion Wimbley

[Hoofbite]

I posted a little about him in the Huff thread but I think it warrants it's own topic.

He's set to take up 11M in cap space this year.

His contract is longer than Routt's was but of similar structure so maybe they let him go. I think it's unlikely but it's the Raiders and they operate under a different mindset than the rest of the league.

If he gets cut, I think he is a guy who you absolutely have to bring in.

I think he'd be a great addition and a legitimate player for offenses to worry about across from Ware.

Thoughts?

 

[Eskimo]

Isn't he more of a pure rush end?

We need a guy who is more well-rounded and can drop into coverage better. He will be worth more to a team looking for a pure pass rusher and he is too young to accept a role as a pass rush specialist.

He is a good player but he is going to be worth more to some other team.

What I don't understand is why the Raiders are going to release him when he is their best pass rusher. Then again, I don't understand most of the things that the Raiders do but I had always assumed that was due to the demented mind of Al Davis.

 

[Hoofbite]

Isn't he more of a pure rush end?

We need a guy who is more well-rounded and can drop into coverage better. He will be worth more to a team looking for a pure pass rusher and he is too young to accept a role as a pass rush specialist.

He is a good player but he is going to be worth more to some other team.

What I don't understand is why the Raiders are going to release him when he is their best pass rusher. Then again, I don't understand most of the things that the Raiders do but I had always assumed that was due to the demented mind of Al Davis.

I haven't watched enough of his play to know if he's well-rounded, to be honest.

I know he played with Rob for a season so I'm assuming he could handle the role. Looking at his career breakdown, it looks like Rob moved him from the right side to the left side for the one season he played under Rob.

I would imagine that Rob had him in more of a pure pass rusher role but not sure if that's because he's not very good at the other stuff or because he was the best the Browns had at the time at getting to the passer.

Here's a quote from Ryan on him.

(On Kamerion Wimbley and if he can return to his form from his rookie season) - "I think the young man has great ability to rush the passer. With the numbers, again numbers say a lot of things and a lot of times they don't paint the right picture. I think the guy has great talent. He is a hard worker and he does what the coaches ask him to do. We've asked him to concentrate on pushing the pocket and using more bull rush and speed rushing. Hell, the guy does it everyday. You see him working on the things you tell him and I believe he is only going to get better with great coaching. I think that is what he has in Bryan Cox and Matt Eberflus, the two guys that are working with him, who are two of the top coaches in football. I really think he is going to have a tremendous year for us."

Here's a little ESPN piece about him.

Whether he’s dropping into coverage, pursuing the running back or collapsing the pocket with regularity, Kamerion Wimbley can be seen all over the field on Sundays as an outside linebacker for the Oakland Raiders. It’s safe to say that he learned to develop a versatile approach to the game from his days in high school at Northwest (Wichita, Kan.), where he spent time literally all over the field getting snaps as a linebacker, lineman, quarterback, receiver and punter.

Granted, it's a feel good piece about so its unlikely they'd say he can't cover worth a squat in it.

I think the point you made about them not getting rid of him is pretty solid though. I doubt he becomes available.

 

[neosapien23]

I would absolutely love it if Dallas could sign Wimbley. While I don't think he is in the class of Mario Williams he would definitely be a double digit sack player lined up opposite from Ware. This would go a long to fix the defense and Dallas could probably afford to trade down and select Dontari Poe to get a push in the middle.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I dunno. At this rate we're going to have an entire team of Rob Guys, only five or six years older than when he had them the first time.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Isn't he more of a pure rush end?

We need a guy who is more well-rounded and can drop into coverage better. He will be worth more to a team looking for a pure pass rusher and he is too young to accept a role as a pass rush specialist.

He is a good player but he is going to be worth more to some other team.

What I don't understand is why the Raiders are going to release him when he is their best pass rusher. Then again, I don't understand most of the things that the Raiders do but I had always assumed that was due to the demented mind of Al Davis.

The Raiders were $25 million over the cap, and only have a 5th and 6th round draft choice this year. They may need to cut everyone who makes over $3 mill a year. I expect them to have the most UFAs on the roster this year.

 

[Hoofbite]

The Raiders were $25 million over the cap, and only have a 5th and 6th round draft choice this year. They may need to cut everyone who makes over $3 mill a year. I expect them to have the most UFAs on the roster this year.

Wow.

That's a lot of bloodshed to be happening.

 

[Romo2Bryant4Six]

Good post. I would be on board with this signing for the right price. I have always been a fan of Wimbley

 

[Yeagermeister]

The Raiders were $25 million over the cap, and only have a 5th and 6th round draft choice this year. They may need to cut everyone who makes over $3 mill a year. I expect them to have the most UFAs on the roster this year.

They are just trying to load up on comp picks

 

[supercowboy8]

I posted a little about him in the Huff thread but I think it warrants it's own topic.

He's set to take up 11M in cap space this year.

His contract is longer than Routt's was but of similar structure so maybe they let him go. I think it's unlikely but it's the Raiders and they operate under a different mindset than the rest of the league.

If he gets cut, I think he is a guy who you absolutely have to bring in.

I think he'd be a great addition and a legitimate player for offenses to worry about across from Ware.

Thoughts?

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Wimbley was with Cleveland and ryan traded him to Oakland. If ryan didn't want him with the browns why would you think he would want him now. Same with Huff. If ryan didn't want huff last year why would he want him this year.

 

[Hoofbite]

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Wimbley was with Cleveland and ryan traded him to Oakland. If ryan didn't want him with the browns why would you think he would want him now. Same with Huff. If ryan didn't want huff last year why would he want him this year.

Ryan traded him?

A DC trading a player?

Guess that means we can call the Roy Williams trade a Garrett decision. We know better than that however.

What if they were so far apart on a new contract that they decided to get something instead of losing him for nothing the following year.

Ryan also had some pretty good things to say about him.

 

[supercowboy8]

Ryan traded him?

A DC trading a player?

Guess that means we can call the Roy Williams trade a Garrett decision. We know better than that however.

What if they were so far apart on a new contract that they decided to get something instead of losing him for nothing the following year.

Ryan also had some pretty good things to say about him.

So you don't think a DC has any say about a player that he coaches. Sorry to tell you but they do. Why would they trade a good player if the DC likes him. Why wouldn't they resign him if the coaches liked him? Doesn't make sense. I have never seen a player traded to another team that was good and the coaches liked. But way to reach on something. Ryan also had good things to say about ball and newman. He also said good things about Huff and you dont see him here

 

[Hoofbite]

So you don't think a DC has any say about a player that he coaches. Sorry to tell you but they do. Why would they trade a good player if the DC likes him. Why wouldn't they resign him if the coaches liked him? Doesn't make sense. I have never seen a player traded to another team that was good and the coaches liked. But way to reach on something. Ryan also had good things to say about ball and newman. He also said good things about Huff and you dont see him here

Sure, coordinators have input.

But that doesn't mean a team won't do what is in the best interest of the franchise if a coordinator is against it. If Rob Ryan wants to keep Anthony Spencer but Jerry & Stephen don't want to pay him, does that mean Rob wants to get rid of Spencer?

Management decisions don't indicate one way or another any particular coaches feeling on any specific move. I have little doubt that coaches advocate to acquire players who fit their model or ditch players who don't but sometimes players either have to come and go because of any number of reasons.

Throw in the fact that Rob had been there 1 whole season and that team is about as lousy and turbulent at the coaching position as it gets and I doubt they even thought they would have Rob for anything more than a couple of years. If Rob were gonna be a guy who would be there a while and needed time to build his defense, I could see being the catalyst for getting rid of Wimbley.

However, it's just as likely that Rob would have preferred to keep him.

Who knows why they ditched him. He was a 1st round pick and had a couple of seasons that were less productive than you would want from a 1st rounder.

Maybe they had decided they wouldn't re-sign him and wanted something in return while they could.

Maybe they hit the nail on the head at the time but he's improved and now wish they hadn't gotten rid of him. Who knows.

I'm sure the Commanders are wishing they would have re-signed Carlos Rogers after seeing him play this year. I wouldn't say they would refuse to sign him at this point because at some other point in time they didn't want him back.

I'd bet the Chargers would love to have Darren Sproles back.

Hell, I'd bet they wouldn't mind Michael Turner either.

What a team does at point A with a player should have no bearing on point B if that same player can upgrade a position.

I don't think there's any question he'd provide some rush from that side, I just haven't seen him play enough to say he can do all the other things.