Keep An Eye On Josh Ball This Preseason

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I am hearing Richards is getting better,same with Shepley. Bass not so much yet. As far as Ball,heck I could care less if we cut him then Washington gets him. They can have him. I must be missing something about Ball. I dont understand what folks in the coaching world are seeing with him,clearly. I was wrong about Steele,but on this..he just hasnt gotten better.
 

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The only reason Ball is still around is due to the FO investing a 4th round pick on him. Waletsko is still around because we used the 5th rounder from Amari trade on him. Otherwise these two injury prone projects would've been gone a while ago.
 

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The only reason Ball is still around is due to the FO investing a 4th round pick on him. Waletsko is still around because we used the 5th rounder from Amari trade on him. Otherwise these two injury prone projects would've been gone a while ago.
thats must be it. They are taking up roster spots where we could be using better players. This front office is so hard headed.
 

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  1. He’s really coming on, finally.
  2. Moved up the depth chart in hopes he has a decent preseason outing so we can trade him for a 7th.

Zero trade value . Cut then someone like the Giants or Commodes put him on PS .
 

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I've seen players come in as rookies and dominate game #1.

I've seen players take more than three seasons before having a breakout.

They all learn at different speeds. For multiple seasons I read "cut him!" and "trade him!" posts about guys like Dalton Schultz, Dorance Armstrong, and Jordan Lewis. it took a little more time but they are now contributors in the NFL.

Three fifths of the offensive line that won three Super Bowls in the 90's were guys that were considered bubble players and career backup, at the most.

Nate Newton was an undrafted free agent with an eating disorder.

Mark Tuinei, another undrafted rookie, was a backup DT his first seasons, even recording a sack. Then he spent a season as the backup center before becoming the starting LT for 12 seasons.

John Gesek was a 10th round pick of the Raiders and was a backup his first two seasons. Considered expendable, he was traded to the Cowboys and ended up starting in two Super Bowls.

Hopefully, Ball can help raise the level of competition for all of them and may the best players play.
sadly you will find that those examples are very rare. To have gotten three like that all about the same time was truly a lottery win.
Jethro thought you could keep doing that and was one of the reasons he refused to use a first rd pick on a OL until Tyron Smith.
 

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If you look at the new unofficial depth chart the Cowboys published, you will see Josh Ball listed as the primary backup RG, ahead of Beebe. He’s not even on the depth chart as a tackle anymore

Why?
1. Because he’s a terrible tackle (sorry Josh)

2. ALSO Because before he got hurt playing tackle due to injuries to Waletzgo in the last preseason game, he played RG in game 3 and absolutely dominated. I mean DOMINATED. McCarthy even mentioned him in the presser afterwards. In my analysis for game 3 he was my top rated OL for the game by a wide margin. Sadly, that was the only game he played OG, so small sample size.

Keep an eye out for him this weekend. He might be a random guy that impresses as an OG going forward. Then again…he’s injury prone
Could be, but these depth charts seem to primarily be built around seniority/experience. Thus, Edoga is the starting left tackle over both Guyton and Richards.
 

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Ball would be hard pressed to even make the team....

Cowboys keep ten

Edoga, Smith, Hoffman, Martin, Steele

Beebe, Bass, Richards, Guyton, Thomas.
You know, we seem to be mainly giving Thomas a spot based on the fact that he was a draft pick this year. It was a late-rounder, so I'm not sure he's guaranteed the 53. Might come down to him, Waletzko and Ball. All three are our draft picks, with Ball being the earliest.
 

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….Thats literally what I said in the OP…He played last preseason and did well, so keep an eye on him building on that…that was the actual OP
Not to be pedantic, but here's what you said verbatim, copy and paste...


If you look at the new unofficial depth chart the Cowboys published, you will see Josh Ball listed as the primary backup RG, ahead of Beebe. He’s not even on the depth chart as a tackle anymore

The implication of this may be to some of us... I know me, for a fact... was that no one here has looked at a depth chart since the last time Ball would have been listed at tackle... which... necessarily would have been before April 2023, when the head coach said publicly that they were switching Ball to guard.


before he got hurt playing tackle due to injuries to Waletzgo in the last preseason game, he played RG in game 3 and absolutely dominated. I mean DOMINATED. McCarthy even mentioned him in the presser afterwards. In my analysis for game 3 he was my top rated OL for the game by a wide margin. Sadly, that was the only game he played OG, so small sample size.


Ball played RG all preseason last year, not just in game 3 vs. the Raiders. In fact, he barely played that game, getting injured in the 1Q.

Here was what was said about his game #2 performance vs. the Seahawks...

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That said... I completely agree that I'm remaining hopeful to see Ball succeed. He's been a whipping boy among fans practically straight out of the gate... and on cue... to-date, in this current thread.

I'd like to see him get some comeuppance, for sure.
 

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You know, we seem to be mainly giving Thomas a spot based on the fact that he was a draft pick this year. It was a late-rounder, so I'm not sure he's guaranteed the 53. Might come down to him, Waletzko and Ball. All three are our draft picks, with Ball being the earliest.
Agreed. Also Chuma and Asim are viewed as tackles, so if you’re being a purist where you want a backup for each position, Bass, Ball, and Beebe are the inside backups
 

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Agreed. Also Chuma and Asim are viewed as tackles, so if you’re being a purist where you want a backup for each position, Bass, Ball, and Beebe are the inside backups
I think the versatility of the tackles allows us to go with more of them, so I'm not counting out Waletzko. Both Edoga and Richards can play guard, and McCarthy gave Waletzko a little praise just the other day. I think he's a left tackle and needs to be playing there, and the move to RT last year was too hard for him. But the shoulder surgeries may keep his career from ever getting started.
 

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Not to be pedantic, but here's what you said verbatim, copy and paste...


If you look at the new unofficial depth chart the Cowboys published, you will see Josh Ball listed as the primary backup RG, ahead of Beebe. He’s not even on the depth chart as a tackle anymore

The implication of this may be to some of us... I know me, for a fact... was that no one here has looked at a depth chart since the last time Ball would have been listed at tackle... which... necessarily would have been before April 2023, when the head coach said publicly that they were switching Ball to guard.


before he got hurt playing tackle due to injuries to Waletzgo in the last preseason game, he played RG in game 3 and absolutely dominated. I mean DOMINATED. McCarthy even mentioned him in the presser afterwards. In my analysis for game 3 he was my top rated OL for the game by a wide margin. Sadly, that was the only game he played OG, so small sample size.


Ball played RG all preseason last year, not just in game 3 vs. the Raiders. In fact, he barely played that game, getting injured in the 1Q.

Here was what was said about his game #2 performance vs. the Seahawks...

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Ball played RG all preseason last year, not just in game 3 vs. the Raiders. In fact, he barely played that game, getting injured in the 1Q.
Sort of. You are right, he played RG, but he also played RT in the preseason (he got hurt playing tackle). And even though he started at RG because of Martins holdout against Jacksonville, the broadcast listed him as a T which reflects the team depth chart (I had to go back and watch to confirm). I don’t disagree that they wanted him at RG as early as summer of 23, but he was listed as a T last preseason, despite playing a healthy amount of G. I think his performance against the Jags and especially the Seahawks solidified that his strength is at G.

Good call on Jags though. I forgot he played the first half at G
 

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he also played RT in the preseason (he got hurt playing tackle)
Good call on that part... I'd thought he started all 3 games at RG, but you're right, he started at RT in the Raidas game. Surfing back through the follow-up stories, they'd been so impressed with last preseason's work, they were considering him as something like an O-line swiss army knife, including swing tackle.
 

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You know, we seem to be mainly giving Thomas a spot based on the fact that he was a draft pick this year. It was a late-rounder, so I'm not sure he's guaranteed the 53. Might come down to him, Waletzko and Ball. All three are our draft picks, with Ball being the earliest.
I think they've seen enough of Ball and Waletzko, both can't stay healthy....Waletzko showed promise in his rookie year in camp but I think Thomas was considered a steal for Dallas where he was selected, so unless he falls flat on his face in these preseason games,I think Dallas will move forward with Thomas instead of Ball and Waletzko
 

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I think they've seen enough of Ball and Waletzko, both can't stay healthy....Waletzko showed promise in his rookie year in camp but I think Thomas was considered a steal for Dallas where he was selected, so unless he falls flat on his face in these preseason games,I think Dallas will move forward with Thomas instead of Ball and Waletzko
I think health is definitely an issue and may be the deciding factor. Thomas may have been considered a steal, but he was still just a sixth-round pick, basically no better than a UDFA. I want to see him play and play well before giving him that final spot just because we drafted him this year.
 

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Ball is on the last year of his contract. Has made over 2.5 million the last 3 years. Will make 915,000 this year. I bet he will improve. It’s his contract year. His guaranteed was only 499,000 and he got that for his signing bonus.
 

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FWIW, Josh is on the last year of his rookie deal.
He is an UFA next year. So, he would need to be in the top 8 to get a roster spot.
He is definitely not.
Good point about the contract year.
Not gonna invest in a player to develop him in his contract year.
 

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You know, we seem to be mainly giving Thomas a spot based on the fact that he was a draft pick this year. It was a late-rounder, so I'm not sure he's guaranteed the 53. Might come down to him, Waletzko and Ball. All three are our draft picks, with Ball being the earliest.
Everyone that has mentioned Thomas has said he's been good too. There just are a lot of guys playing good. He should make the team. He's an excellent run blocker.
 

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Everyone that has mentioned Thomas has said he's been good too. There just are a lot of guys playing good. He should make the team. He's an excellent run blocker.
I just have not really seen anything about Thomas. Maybe I've missed it.
 
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