Ken Hamlin getting released...

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masomenos85;3329247 said:
I have to think that either we have a lot of faith in Alan Ball or Mike Hamlin, or we're comfortable having a rookie back there. I just can't see Jerry paying big money (and a pick) for a guy like Atogwe, unless we change the role that the FS plays in our defense.


If Ken Hamlin was doing his job well hed still be here.

Clearly Jerrys looking to upgrade. However Id rather have Adam present before I talk about how to go about acquiring Atogwe.

I think theyll try but not go nuts over it. They do have Ball, the good Hamlin, and 2 picks in the top 59.

The draft is shaping up weird this year. Were kind of sitting in no mans land at both picks. I think they rather have like 40 and 45 rather than 27 and 59.

Lets see what happens but one thing they can do is a trade down than back up. Getting Nate Allen and Roger Saffold.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;3329284 said:
If Ken Hamlin was doing his job well hed still be here.

Clearly Jerrys looking to upgrade. However Id rather have Adam present before I talk about how to go about acquiring Atogwe.

I think theyll try but not go nuts over it. They do have Ball, the good Hamlin, and 2 picks in the top 59.

The draft is shaping up weird this year. Were kind of sitting in no mans land at both picks. I think they rather have like 40 and 45 rather than 27 and 59.

Lets see what happens but one thing they can do is a trade down than back up. Getting Nate Allen and Roger Saffold.

See, I don't think the move necessarily does clearly show that Jerry wants to upgrade the position. I think that, if Hamlin hadn't been scheduled to make $6 million then he'd probably still be around. Now, I don't think Hamlin was a great player, but I do think he did what he was asked to do in our scheme. Unfortunately for him, there's just no need to pay a guy that kind of money for the responsibilities he was asked to shoulder.

I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't draft a safety (I also wouldn't be shocked if we did). As some other posters have suggested, it may make more sense to draft a guy like Devin McCourtey and then have Ball and M. Hamlin battle it out for the FS position. If that's what happens, then I think we'll see a similar role for the FS as last year. However, if we do draft a safety high, then I would bet that it meant a shift in our defensive scheme.

As far as the picks, I think you're right that a trade down is a serious possibility.
 

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masomenos85;3329321 said:
See, I don't think the move necessarily does clearly show that Jerry wants to upgrade the position.

I think he said something about wanting more turnovers from the defense. Him or Wade. Either way, he was a bum and needed to go.
 

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masomenos85;3329321 said:
See, I don't think the move necessarily does clearly show that Jerry wants to upgrade the position. I think that, if Hamlin hadn't been scheduled to make $6 million then he'd probably still be around. Now, I don't think Hamlin was a great player, but I do think he did what he was asked to do in our scheme. Unfortunately for him, there's just no need to pay a guy that kind of money for the responsibilities he was asked to shoulder.

I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't draft a safety (I also wouldn't be shocked if we did). As some other posters have suggested, it may make more sense to draft a guy like Devin McCourtey and then have Ball and M. Hamlin battle it out for the FS position. If that's what happens, then I think we'll see a similar role for the FS as last year. However, if we do draft a safety high, then I would bet that it meant a shift in our defensive scheme.

As far as the picks, I think you're right that a trade down is a serious possibility.


At the same time I think theyd gladly give Atogwe a similar deal. That would mean they could keep Ball where he is and get up for Mike Iupati

I think we are in a position where we dont have to reach for a Nate Allen at 27. A guy like Mccourty could be a jack of all trades in year 1, then start in Newmans place year 2.

I think Iupati will be gone so what this draft will come down to is do they like Mccourty enough to not trade down.

And if for some reason Dez Bryants there does he roll the dice, or does he take what we think would be a nice deal from TB trying to get back up into the 1st for him.

Something to keep in mind is next yeas CB class looks weak and we obviously are in line for a starter opposite Jenkins.
 

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First "false Start Flozell" is released now this fool...oh glory what a dam good FRIDAY it is!!!

(could care less which was released first) their gone that's all that matters.......:bow:
 

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BrAinPaiNt;3328790 said:
This does not automatically indicate we take a FS at No. 27.

We could trade down. We could take our chance later in the draft, we could take our chance moving Ball to FS, we could take a chance with the other Hamlin on the roster or we can bring in a FS via a trade of FA.

Courses of action that I like, in this particular order:

1. Trading down, select Nate Allen or Morgan Burnett.
2. Start Alan Ball at FS
3. ???
 

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The Cowboys might not owe Ken Hamlin $1.09 million after all
Posted at 3:22 PM on Fri., Apr. 2, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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We've written how the Cowboys still owe Ken Hamlin $1.09 million of his base salary in 2010 as part of the six-year deal he signed in 2008.

Technically, that is correct, but we've since learned that there is an off-set in there. If Hamlin signs with a team, which undoubtedly will happen, then the Cowboys would have to make up the difference if it is less than $1.09 million.

The minimum salary for a player of Hamlin's experience is $755,000. If Hamlin signs a one-year deal worth the minimum, then the Cowboys would still owe Hamlin $335,000. It is similar to what happened to with Greg Ellis last year. The Cowboys owed him $1.5 million, but Oakland ended up paying him more than that, so they didn't have to fork over any money to Ellis.

http://www.sportsfanlive.com/web/ar...d=8521462&team=nfl-dallas_cowboys&tid=twitter
 

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casmith07;3329406 said:
Courses of action that I like, in this particular order:

1. Trading down, select Nate Allen or Morgan Burnett.
2. Start Alan Ball at FS
3. ???

How do you not even mention Michael Hamlin in this.

Pay attention.
 

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dcfanatic;3329502 said:
How do you not even mention Michael Hamlin in this.

Pay attention.

Because the coaches liked him more as a SS? :confused:

If he's going to be looked at for FS, we might as well start hating him now since he has the same last name as Ken.
 
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MarionBarberThe4th;3329340 said:
At the same time I think theyd gladly give Atogwe a similar deal. That would mean they could keep Ball where he is and get up for Mike Iupati

I think we are in a position where we dont have to reach for a Nate Allen at 27. A guy like Mccourty could be a jack of all trades in year 1, then start in Newmans place year 2.

I think Iupati will be gone so what this draft will come down to is do they like Mccourty enough to not trade down.

And if for some reason Dez Bryants there does he roll the dice, or does he take what we think would be a nice deal from TB trying to get back up into the 1st for him.

Something to keep in mind is next yeas CB class looks weak and we obviously are in line for a starter opposite Jenkins.


If Allen runs a sub 4.5 then 27 wouldn't be a reach. And Newman has a lot more left in him then a year. If we do select Mccourty I think he'd replace Newman in 3-4 years. Not year 2. JMO. Plus what if KW's on the board?
 
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Just watch. Next year Hamlin's going to have 5+ INT and 90+ tackles and everyones going to ***** about how Jerry released him.
 

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CanuckCowboysFan;3329558 said:
Just watch. Next year Hamlin's going to have 5+ INT and 90+ tackles and everyones going to ***** about how Jerry released him.

and no
 

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If Allen runs a sub 4.5 then 27 wouldn't be a reach. And Newman has a lot more left in him then a year. If we do select Mccourty I think he'd replace Newman in 3-4 years. Not year 2. JMO. Plus what if KW's on the board?

You think Newmans going to start at 35 or 36?

W/ Devin Mccourty I know we are getting a B+, 8 out of 10, 4 stars, CB. And also a ST ace and great character guy.


Kyle Wilson is a bit of a gamble IMO. He was suspended before and takes gambles.
 
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