Kevin Burnett?

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There was something about this guy that rubbed me the wrong way before TC. I can't put my finger on it. But something gave me some concern. I posted it here and stated my concern back then. I think it was from hearing him speak on a few short occasions. He came across a little arrogant. It was also known that he disliked the Cowboys and he never said anything to refute that. Shortly after that, BP reitterated my perception when he referred to KB as "cocky".

Now I don't know anything about his current circumstance and much less about what he may become. For all I know, he might a future team leader and Pro Bowler for us for years to come. But with the lack of info on him currently combined with his minimal playtime, I am afraid this may be the one pick from our glorious draft that turns out to not be a success story in Dallas.

I realize I'm jumping the gun here but I just feel that there is just something about this guy that isn't being said.

Anyone else?
 

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It's real simple...

What's the worst that can happen? He turns into a bust.


Ware
Spears
Burnett
Barber
Canty
Petitti
Ratliff
Beriault


If only one of those ends up being a bust I'll be very happy. No need to worry about Burnett. If he doesn't pan out it'll pale in comparison to the rest of that draft class.
 

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Kevin B is a huge talent with a huge ego. I thinkk his injury in camp really slowed down his progress and his work ethic is not where it needs to be thus he is in BP dog house. I think once he gets what BP is selling and completely buys into it, he will be a major force.I remember watching him at Tenn and he is much like arrington with the skins. Had a hard time playing the scheme but was always around the ball. I think he will be fine, if not 7 out of 8 is not bad for a draft.
 

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I'm a UT fan (not easy these days, though), and I saw virtually every single play of Burnett's college career.

He has a ton of talent. He's got great speed, he's always around the ball, and he's capable of delivering vicious hits. But he also seems to play stiff sometimes, almost never actually makes the big play (though he's frequently in position to do so), and overruns a lot of plays and is susceptible to any sort of cutback or misdirection.

I hope he works out, but I have serious doubts about him ever being a dependable starter. I hope I'm wrong.
 

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The Burnett story that caught my eye was when the rookies were at their big NFL rookie convention were they get all the incoming players together and introduce them to the league. Burnett got all the Cowboy players out of bed and did conditioning drills early in the morning. He is going to be the leader on the Defense someday not Ware or Spears it will be Burnett. He is just taking a little more time to get adjusted. He really hasn't been given alot of playing time with the 1st team. I have been to 3 games this year and watch him on KO's he is the first one down field breaking up the wall. Damn near knocked himself out last week breaking up the wall.
 

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Qwickdraw said:
There was something about this guy that rubbed me the wrong way before TC. I can't put my finger on it. But something gave me some concern. I posted it here and stated my concern back then. I think it was from hearing him speak on a few short occasions. He came across a little arrogant. It was also known that he disliked the Cowboys and he never said anything to refute that. Shortly after that, BP reitterated my perception when he referred to KB as "cocky".

Now I don't know anything about his current circumstance and much less about what he may become. For all I know, he might a future team leader and Pro Bowler for us for years to come. But with the lack of info on him currently combined with his minimal playtime, I am afraid this may be the one pick from our glorious draft that turns out to not be a success story in Dallas.

I realize I'm jumping the gun here but I just feel that there is just something about this guy that isn't being said.

Anyone else?
I'm willing to bet you he changes your mind. Just getting acclimated to the NFL and had a couple of injuries.
 

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Just thought of something else about why Burnett is struggling. Even though he made it into TC he was the last pick to sign.

I'm telling you there is something to be said about getting the deal done early. Spears was 2nd to last and struggled a bit as well.
 

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I'm glad he's got an attitude. Let him channel it on the opposing offense.

Actually, as much as I like the way the defense is progressing, I think they need to still establish a clearer identity as the year progresses. And what I'd like to see is a bit more of a mean streak in them..

..guys like Roy W. supply part of it with their hitting, but for this defense to really step up, they need a couple of dudes to play a bit more vicious and cocky. Not nasty, but to be real enforcers and vocal on the field to keep guys involved and fighting.

As well as be hitters and playmakers.

Burnett has the tools.

I suspect that because he had those surguries, the hip think, etc., he's had to let that settle before he could really get it going. That's natural.

And I don't think there was any urgency at the LBer position until Singleton went down, either..as Fujita was acquired and Ware was playing well.

I don't think they (the coaches) imparted to Burnett the same urgency they probably did with Ware and Spears and Canti going into TC and others whom everybody knew would immediately get playing time from the start on the DL..where everybody knew those guy were going to have the biggest challenge in converting from 4-3 to 3-4.

Same thing with MBIII. He started out slower, had an injury to his foot with the infection and got sent down the depth list as obviously, they were trying to groom Thompson to make the roster and MBIII just wasn't pressed to be ready.

Of course, that's all changed for Burnett and MBIII, becoming players moving up to direct backup status now with A-Train gone and JJ being hurt.

Now they have to turn it up a notch and stop just studying film and doing bit parts on scout teams and start using their skills and perform more with bullets flying.

MBIII has done it, Pettiti has, too. So can Burnett.

That's a big change for any rookie. Especially with playing for BP and his attitude about injuries and playing injured, etc.

Both MBIII and Pettiti and Burnett have had to navigate that road early in their time here. Also add in Spears to that list, as he had to deal with his injuries also, late in TC and like JJ did last year and is doing again now.

I think Burnett will be fine.

Again, like with guys like Torrin Tucker having to step up after having been sat down or had playing time decreased or having read comments from the coaches about sub-par showings..

..it takes time and different approaches to get young players involved and it also makes you have to make adjustments when you do play them. And for some, like with Tucker, possibly a position change does it and a second chance to step up and play.

Whatever.

But if Burnett is cocky AND good..we'll be fine. I'd like to have a fiery player at LBer that will be playing alot and provide hitting and emotional sparks for the front 7.

:strongarm

Sort of like Williams does for the secondary. Our secondary has an enforcer and lead hitter in him. The LBers need one also at that level of the defense.

So far, the LBers for us, other than Ware, haven't really dominated the LOS as I thought they need to, yet. Dat's steady but too small, Singleton was steady but not an impact player (and gone), Shanly and James are steady but they aren't playmakers nor momentum changers.

And Ware, he's really a pass rusher and disrupter on the DL as much or more than a LBer. They move him around alot to get confusion from the OL as to account for him and he's really primarily good at pressure on the QB.

Which is great, but he's not an enforcer of the variety that Roy Williams is at safety. Sitting behind the LOS waiting to lay a lick on a RB or TE coming across the field. To me, you have to have an impact player you can sort of turn loose at all three levels of the defense..

..the DL, at the LBers and also the secondary..

..that can be allowed to play a bit looser and freer than the rest of the positions who must fill gaps and control areas to maintain containment.

These other guys, these guys with playmaker and headhunter playmaker ability, you move them around, lessen their immediate responsibilities and let them play to their instincts to make big plays.

You let them react instead of just sitting back and reading their keys and the rest of the guys at the various positions play less risky assignments, but nonetheless, essential assignments at their positions.

To me, Ware does this on the DL, Williams does this at the secondary level with his hitting and LOS patroling, but in the middle layer of defense,the true LBers, we lack an impact,headhunter type player.

Burnett, if he's can do it, has an opportunity to bring that..IMO. Already, we've heard consistant rumors that next year's draft will be looking for more LBer help.

Burnett's lack of playing and progress to date must be having a baring on those rumors. He needs to put a cork in that and fill the need right now as he has the chance to make his presence known.

Can he..? Will he..?

As a rookie, he'll be on a short-lease to begin with to just plug in and get the basic responsibilities down.

But towards the end of the year, hopefull he'll show some of this. Or maybe Fujita will now that's he's starting. Fujita obviously was brought in because Burnett wasn't showing he was ready.

To me, Fujita has done great and maybe a terrific pickup at such a cheap cost from KC..but with Burnett being drafted with expectations to contribute more than he has his first year..it will be interesting to see how Burnett responds to this new situation of him getting more action.

Whatever.

But it's one of those things where we need a guy at LBer that is going to be enforcing b/w 3-7 yards behind the LOS with big hits and fumble-causing hits and be a guy the RBs want to avoid their areas and the OL aren't able to contain well.

Find me that guy in addition to Ware and Williams that will step up and create concern in the front 7 and we're well on our way to getting more identity as a defense and physically a rep as being a bit more dominating coming into games.

We'll see.

parcellswaterboy
 

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Hostile said:
I'm willing to bet you he changes your mind. Just getting acclimated to the NFL and had a couple of injuries.
:hammer: The kid's a player. For the life of me I don't know why fans are so in a hurry to get rid of or knock a player especially those in the 1 to 3 year range.
 

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I see what you are saying 'waterboy but I'm not sure I agree 100%. For one thing I see Glover as the enforcer in the DL not Ware. Ware IS a LB and we can't aford to have too many people freelancing. I don't expect Fujita to be doing anything but playing his assignments since the Sam or SOLB is a position that requires discipline. The only position in the LB corps that has the flexibility to be that freelancer is the Will or WOLB spot and we have Ware there.

I agree with the attitude thing. As long as he is not a disruption and channels that attitude to the field I like it. And I agree that we could use a little more attitude on the defense. But I think that will come with a little more experince for these young guys. They will start to get a little more nasty once they get it down, know the limits they can push and are less afraid of screwing up.
 

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JackMagist said:
But I think that will come with a little more experince for these young guys; they will start to get a little more nasty once they get it down, know the limits they can push and are less afraid of screwing up.

Well said. Tuna mentioned just few days ago the kids are just at the 'reactive stage' now. Once they are more sure of their assignments and better grounded in the knowledge of each other's roles, they will be more 'creative'.

Burnett was one of the few rookie players I have heard Bill say was mentally ahead of the curve. He made it sound like KB was pretty precocious. That was said in late spring or early summer, and may have ended up submerged by the hip injury..but Tuna also used the word 'cocky' re Burnett.

Smart and cocky is a damn nice combination in a linebacker.
 

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:iggles: :trophy: :suxiggle: :disseags: Just a few weeks ago people on this board were calling Barber a bust and look how that turned out.
 

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Just a few weeks ago people on this board were calling Barber a bust and look how that turned out.
Premature evaluation.
 

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Just to clarify, I wasn't seeking out the only possible blemish in our impeccable draft. Whether KB works out or not doesn't matter. This draft is one of the best in the history of the NFL. (so far)

I was just wondering if anyone else has gotten the sense that there might be a litlle something about Burnett that isn't be told just yet or just hasn't been entirely realized yet. That something seems a little off. Just a feeling. I could be (and probably am) entirely wrong.

My feelings are only exacerbated by the fact that after our draft was complete, Burnett was the only choice that I questioned. Not that I didn't like the pick because I did. Alot. But I remember hoping we would get a WR with that 2nd round pick especially when Terrence Murphy was still on the board when our pick came up.
 

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KB is a heck of a LB but the team has to decide whether to play him inside or out and let him play every down.
 

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jterrell said:
KB is a heck of a LB but the team has to decide whether to play him inside or out and let him play every down.
I don't doubt that KB has a lot of ability and am not in anyway against him. I recognize that he is behnd the curve due to his injuries and he is a rookie. I'm just not sure (not having seen much of him in college) that he is any better than the guys we are putting on the field already. James, Shanle and Fujita all have more experience than he does and are all of similar size (or bigger) and have similar speed. I just think he is going to have a hard time breaking into the starting lineup. He may have to wait in the wings until a spot opens up due to injury the way Shanle did.
 

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I don't doubt that KB has a lot of ability and am not in anyway against him. I recognize that he is behnd the curve due to his injuries and he is a rookie. I'm just not sure (not having seen much of him in college) that he is any better than the guys we are putting on the field already. James, Shanle and Fujita all have more experience than he does and are all of similar size (or bigger) and have similar speed. I just think he is going to have a hard time breaking into the starting lineup. He may have to wait in the wings until a spot opens up due to injury the way Shanle did.
No one was bigger on Shanle entering this season than me.
I thought he was better than AlS last year and was just good.

I played LB thru high school and it is a position where I feel I have some idea of what good or bad play is beyond simple numbers. IMHO KB is a heck of a LB. He is not as stiff as Bradie James or as small as a guy like Shanle. I know that they list at almost identical size but Burnett is a natural 240 pound guy who can hold another 10-15 pounds easily and Shanle is 245 or so but at his max size. I feel both guys are better than Bradie James. Markedly.

KB is probably our 2nd best pass rushing LB. Not saying much I know but he can pressure the QB.

BP is gonna push him like a dog til he proves himself. Thats good. By this time next year I suspect posts about KB will be wondering if he makes the Pro Bowl.
 

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Burnett suffers from the dreaded "all the free agents and other draft picks are playing well" disease. Extremely high standard of play was expected from him immediately following the draft. Late signing + preseason injury + previously mentioned disease = late bloomer this year. Now he has the chance to step with Al S. hurt so lets see if he can turn this thing around. Above all remember he is still a rookie.
 
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