Keyshawn opposite Steve Smith

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I watched the Carolina Panthers today. While I am glad the Commanders beat them...it was really obvious to me why the Panthers offense looked horrendous. Keyshawn is a true professional, warrior, good (not very good and not great) WR....but he is effective when you are trying to play a certain way. He is good when you are trying to dictate the tempo. But when you try and it fails...he becomes useless. And that is not HIS fault...he is what he is. But you can only win with him a CERTAIN way.

That is why in spite of all the drama...pairing Terry Glenn and TO has given this offense the versatility to play any way we want. I think back to the first Philly game...in spite of all the things that went wrong in that game...there we were in the game near the end...knowing we needed a deep pass...Terry Glenn gets behind the safety anway....if Micheal Lewis does not commit pass interference...that game is going into OT. The point being...we can make a play at anytime from anywhere on the field with these types of talent on the outside.

Since Romo is cutting his teeth in the NFL with these kinds of weapons...it is imperative for the Cowboys to keep our stable of WRs stock with size and speed.

 

[MONT17]

Joey for Meyshawn was a great trade!!!

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'm forgetting Keyshawn more and more, because he's dropping passes as well so T.O. isn't the only one but the media rides him all day long. T.O. and Glenn are one of the scariest combo's in the NFL and believe me other team's defenses know it...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Im not really sure what this whole you can use Keyshaun only when youre trying to control the tempo thing means.

Last time I checked Key was able to run routes in any kind of situation and get open at a decent rate.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

The Cowboys have been associated with many of the leagues best receivers of late. Galloway, Keyshawn, Jimmy Smith (early on) and even Terrence Copper is coming up big in New Orleans. Then you look at our own roster, Glenn, Owens, Crayton and some promising youngsters in Hurd, Austin and Rector. Someone in this organization knows something about receivers.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

The Cowboys have been associated with many of the leagues best receivers of late. Galloway, Keyshawn, Jimmy Smith (early on) and even Terrence Copper is coming up big in New Orleans. Then you look at our own roster, Glenn, Owens, Crayton and some promising youngsters in Hurd, Austin and Rector. Someone in this organization knows something about receivers.

I think Parcells favorite right now might be a guy who's not really playing, Miles Austin, 6'3 and 220 lbs runs a 4.3/4.4 with good hands. Parcells has a slight man crush on the kid, LMAO!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Im not really sure what this whole you can use Keyshaun only when youre trying to control the tempo thing means.

Last time I checked Key was able to run routes in any kind of situation and get open at a decent rate.

I think it means that Key is good for a team that is in control of games, but when you need to come from behind, and need a big play, Key's inability to get seperation alot of the times hurts, esp. when Ds are keying in on your big play guy at WR, in Carolina's case, Steve Smith, and in our's last year, Terry Glenn

when BP said that Key doesn't need to be open, that you can just throw it to him, and he will get it, was a nice way of saying Key is not going to have much seperation, so don't worry about that, just throw it to him, IMO that's good for converting on 3rd downs, but not for getting big plays in the passing game

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think it means that Key is good for a team that is in control of games, but when you need to come from behind, and need a big play, Key's inability to get seperation alot of the times hurts, esp. when Ds are keying in on your big play guy at WR, in Carolina's case, Steve Smith, and in our's last year, Terry Glenn

when BP said that Key doesn't need to be open, that you can just throw it to him, and he will get it, was a nice way of saying Key is not going to have much seperation, so don't worry about that, just throw it to him, IMO that's good for converting on 3rd downs, but not for getting big plays in the passing game

Like I said I dont understand what he means. I know for a fact that Key made some big catches dowfield for us when the pressure was on in the fourth quarter.

Maybe hes lost a step but the whole pigeonholing thing im not buying.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I know for a fact that Key made some big catches dowfield for us when the pressure was on in the fourth quarter.

examples?

I rememember there was the Seattle game, I'm at a loss for the other times he's made plays downfield for us late in games

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

examples?

I rememember there was the Seattle game, I'm at a loss for the other times he's made plays downfield for us late in games

Aye the Seattle game before Bledsoe took another dump.

My memory is pretty shot due to activities in the 90s but I know for a fact that he was getting opne deep on us earlier in the season. His infamous drop this season.

Moreso what this really seems to me is poor coaching by the Panthers if this is indeed the case. Its not as if possesion routes arent useful especially when youre trying to keep the clock from running.

 

[Dale]

I would gladly welcome Keyshawn on to my team any day, any year. Great hands, footwork and can work the sideline better than perhaps any other player in the league.

At the beginning of the year, the Johnson-Smith duo was labeled one of the league's best, if not the best. It's lost its sizzle since, in large part I think, because Delhomme has been inconsistent of late. Just peek at his numbers.

Carolina is muddled in problems right now. Foster is hurt, they don't have a Stephen Davis-type back like they did when they made their Super Bowl run, etc.

If Delhomme could find his targets, though, I don't think Keyshawn would look so ineffective these last few weeks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

My memory is pretty shot due to activities in the 90s

I don't think it's bad coaching, I think it's just that Key can be taken out of a game w/ single coverage, and that's good if you're ahead in games, and do the whole TOP thing, but not good for you if you need big plays and teams can double Smith, and guard you at the same time w/ just one guy, they dont' have very good TEs and Drew Carter is raw

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think it's bad coaching, I think it's just that Key can be taken out of a game w/ single coverage, and that's good if you're ahead in games, and do the whole TOP thing, but not good for you if you need big plays and teams can double Smith, and guard you at the same time w/ just one guy, they dont' have very good TEs and Drew Carter is raw

If Key can no longer beat single coverage than he needs to retire.

What I remember him doing is running outs and hooks and comebacks where he could use his size to shield defenders. If they cheated then he could go over the top. Thats his game and that works in late and close situations b/c he can get out of bounds.

I havent seen him play but once this year but if he can no longer beat single coverage he has no business playing in this league.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If Key can no longer beat single coverage than he needs to retire.

What I remember him doing is running outs and hooks and comebacks where he could use his size to shield defenders. If they cheated then he could go over the top. Thats his game and that works in late and close situations b/c he can get out of bounds.

I havent seen him play but once this year but if he can no longer beat single coverage he has no business playing in this league.

you never caught any of our late season games last year?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you never caught any of our late season games last year?

I watched most of them depended when I had to work. My memory is more wholistic in nature. I dont seems to remember specific plays like many people do. Especially with it came to Key. I really have an overall impression of his play than a catalogue.

That and I drink when I watch football.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I watched most of them depended when I had to work. My memory is more wholistic in nature. I dont seems to remember specific plays like many people do. Especially with it came to Key. I really have an overall impression of his play than a catalogue.

That and I drink when I watch football.

well take it from me, Key was getting covered w/ just one guy, he had a hard time getting seperation, and they were doubling TG, passing game struggled

didn't hurt that our max-protect wasn't very good, and Witten was a part of that, not in his routes

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

well take it from me, Key was getting covered w/ just one guy, he had a hard time getting seperation, and they were doubling TG, passing game struggled

didn't hurt that our max-protect wasn't very good, and Witten was a part of that, not in his routes

What I really remember from last year was our turnstiles at OT. The receivers not getting time to get open.

I never ever came away from a game thinking that Key was unable to get open.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I don't think it's bad coaching, I think it's just that Key can be taken out of a game w/ single coverage, and that's good if you're ahead in games, and do the whole TOP thing, but not good for you if you need big plays and teams can double Smith, and guard you at the same time w/ just one guy, they dont' have very good TEs and Drew Carter is raw

You my friend get "it"....and I am not knocking those who do not...but you have to watch games to understand where I am coming from. He needs guys to run clearing routes for him...which is why Antonio Bryant is not in Dallas anymore....he was tired of being a decoy to get Keyshawn open....I have said it 1000 times...TO can drop 2 balls every week AND we would still get the kind of coverages that will allow Terry and Jason the opportunity to make plays. The presence of 2 dynamic playmakers makes everyone's life easy.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

You can double a lead WR if Key is the other guy in the offense. Though he is a good WR, he doesn't have seperation speed. 1 on 1 he'll get open by using his body. He's a big target, and it has it's advantages, but I don't think that teams really game plan for Keyshawn Johnson. He'll get his catches, but he won't burn you with too many big plays.

Keyshawn hasnt been a force in this league for years. But he isn't a bad option at #2. He brings other intangibles to a team, leadership, blocking, etc.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

You can double a lead WR if Key is the other guy in the offense. Though he is a good WR, he doesn't have seperation speed. 1 on 1 he'll get open by using his body. He's a big target, and it has it's advantages, but I don't think that teams really game plan for Keyshawn Johnson. He'll get his catches, but he won't burn you with too many big plays.

Keyshawn hasnt been a force in this league for years. But he isn't a bad option at #2. He brings other intangibles to a team, leadership, blocking, etc.

He brings intangibles....but ask Terry Glenn what life has been like with TO on the other side. It's about how teams defend you. Keyshawn presence on a field makes it harder for and offense to score. Not saying you cannot score, but you have to work harder. Look I watched the Panthers/Skins...heck I watched the Panthers/Cowboys....the Commanders defense manhandled the Panthers offense. We went INTO their house and crushed that offense. That little double move where Key dropped the pass is more a problem with Anthony Henry than a great play by Keyshawn. Why would you ever let someone that big and slow get you on a double move. And I am not one of those who thinks Henry is JUST having a bad year...I think he is who he is..personally, I have ALWAYS said he could be our CB for 2 - 3 years...then he would need to be moved to FS...he is just to slow to play CB. But he is hanging in there