Kicking the 53 yd at beginning was mistake

[juck]

Why didnt we go for it? 1. We would have gotten it. 2 it may have crushed Baileys confidence.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why didnt we go for it? 1. We would have gotten it. 2 it may have crushed Baileys confidence.

You don't know that we would have gotten it. It was in his range that is why they kicked it.

 

[diehard2294]

I would have punted in that spot

 

[natedoug]

I thought that early 50+ yard FG attempt was too early in a 0-0 game. I would have punted the ball and tried to pin the Cardinals inside the 20.

 

[goshan]

I would have gone for it as well.
But that isn't a clear cut right or wrong decision.

 

[TheCount]

What was weird was lining up to go for it, and then changing our minds.

You could tell that Romo was under the impression that we would go for it on 4th, which is why he made the throw he did. Even after it was incomplete, you can hear him yell, "We're going for it!". He doesn't even think twice about it.

Then we took the timeout or whatever, because no one ever knows what the heck they are doing on our offense so everyone is milling around looking foncused, and I guess Garrett overruled him.

At first I thought the hold was bad on the miss, but on the sidelines Bailey said it was good and he just pulled it.

It was just a really strange series of events.

 

[JoeCorrado]

You don't know that we would have gotten it. It was in his range that is why they kicked it.

Wrong answer.

It was a poor decision. THAT is why we tried a kick from the fringe instead of going for a 4th and 1 on our first drive.

Bailey has never been expected to be a long distance kicker. Isn't that why Beulher is sucking up air at Valley ranch? Just in case we need that long FG to win a game?

You don't know that we would have gotten it. It was in his range that is why they kicked it.

The defeatist mind set that ruled the day in OT too. How did that work out? The "odds" of making a 53 yarder, or making a 1 yard gain, or pinning them inside the 20 on a punt... not much variation but pretty sure the best bet is to play for the win, like we "expect" to do "grab this thing"... ya' know?

 

[Doomsday101]

Wrong answer.

It was a poor decision. THAT is why we tried a kick from the fringe instead of going for a 4th and 1 on our first drive.

Bailey has never been expected to be a long distance kicker. Isn't that why Beulher is sucking up air at Valley ranch? Just in case we need that long FG to win a game?

Wrong answer? according to who?

You have an opinion. It was within Bailey reach so that was an option. Going for it was an option or punting it was an option.

 

[JoeCorrado]

Wrong answer? according to who?

You have an opinion. It was within Bailey reach so that was an option. Going for it was an option or punting it was an option.

My opinion- a fans opinion- and it matters to me.

You say that they were in his range... obviously- you are wrong... or Garrett, or whatever idiot decided that Bailey and Beuhler are the same guy because their names each begin with the letter B... c'mon man

Why is Beuhler here again? Oh, I remember JJ saying something about possibly needing a long FG at some point.

53 yards is not Bailey range... if you "expect" 3 points. Of course if you just want to watch him kick.. sure.

CONTEXT... better odds at 53, or getting a first on 4th and 1? That is the CONTEXT of the discussion. Can he make a FG from there? Sure, but the odds aren't such that you "expect" him to make it.

On the other hand- we better EXPECT the offense to pick up a yard when we need it.

You following this stuff?

 

[CoCo]

1. Punt and pin them deep
2. Go for the 1st down on 4th & 1
3. Kick the long FG

You can make a case for any of those choices and pre-snap you'd probably get fans split fairly evenly. Once the choice is made and decision failed its pretty easy to 2nd guess it all.

Frankly, my choice would have been to run it on 3rd down.

 

[JoeCorrado]

1. Punt and pin them deep
2. Go for the 1st down on 4th & 1
3. Kick the long FG

You can make a case for any of those choices and pre-snap you'd probably get fans split fairly evenly. Once the choice is made and decision failed its pretty easy to 2nd guess it all.

Frankly, my choice would have been to run it on 3rd down.

Mine too, or on 4th... but hey... what do fans know? Our opinions are like the wind... oh, wait- you can "hear" the wind... or is that the leaves? Whatever.

:laugh2:

 

[TheCount]

My opinion- a fans opinion- and it matters to me.

You say that they were in his range... obviously- you are wrong... or Garrett, or whatever idiot decided that Bailey and Beuhler are the same guy because their names each begin with the letter B... c'mon man

Why is Beuhler here again? Oh, I remember JJ saying something about possibly needing a long FG at some point.

53 yards is not Bailey range... if you "expect" 3 points. Of course if you just want to watch him kick.. sure.

CONTEXT... better odds at 53, or getting a first on 4th and 1? That is the CONTEXT of the discussion. Can he make a FG from there? Sure, but the odds aren't such that you "expect" him to make it.

On the other hand- we better EXPECT the offense to pick up a yard when we need it.

You following this stuff?

You are being belligerent.

 

[Doomsday101]

My opinion is as valid as yours. You say that they were in his range... obviously- you are wrong... or Garrett, or whatever isiot decided that Bailey and Beuhler are the same guy because their names each begin with the letter B.

Why is Beuhler here again? Oh, I remember JJ saying something about possibly needing a long FG at some point.

53 yards is not Bailey range... if you "expect" 3 points. Of course if you just want to watch him kick.. sure.

CONTEXT... better odds at 53, or getting a first on 4th and 1? That is the CONTEXT of the discussion. Can he make a FG from there? Sure, but the odds aren't such that you "expect" him to make it.

On the other hand- we better EXPECT the offense to pick up a yard when we need it.

You following this stuff?

Yes your opinion is as valid. So when you say it was the wrong one it is your opinion it was wrong nothing more.

Bailey has hit from 51 with ease during warm-up they saw he was hitting it with no problems so going for the 3 was a clear cut option regardless if you would have gone for it.

Why is Beuhler here again? He is on IR so what does that have to do with a damn thing? Nothing


Great part is you can make the call with no consequences, if you go for it and your wrong no big deal


Last thing yes I understand this game very much played it for years been a fan even longer so while I fully agree that we all have opinion I don't need you trying to teach me football. I know you think you are the guru of football but that too is your opinion nothing more

Are you following this stuff?

 

[Doomsday101]

Mine too, or on 4th... but hey... what do fans know? Our opinions are like the wind... oh, wait- you can "hear" the wind... or is that the leaves? Whatever.

:laugh2:

Your opinion is just that. I did not say you were wrong or right. You make a choice you have nothing to lose. You can sit at home and make all the calls you want but in the end you don't pay the price for the call you have the luxury of second guessing.

Had Garrett gone for it would I have been upset? No it would be a risk but a risk he was willing to take. Would I have been upset with a punt? no chance to pin them back inside their 10 to 20 or do I trust my FG who has shown great accuracy and frankly good distance? Again a legit option.

 

[JoeCorrado]

Yes your opinion is as valid. So when you say it was the wrong one it is your opinion it was wrong nothing more.

Bailey has hit from 51 with ease during warm-up they saw he was hitting it with no problems so going for the 3 was a clear cut option regardless if you would have gone for it.

Why is Beuhler here again? He is on IR so what does that have to do with a damn thing? Nothing


Great part is you can make the call with no consequences, if you go for it and your wrong no big deal


Last thing yes I understand this game very much played it for years been a fan even longer so while I fully agree that we all have opinion I don't need you trying to teach me football. I know you think you are the guru of football but that too is your opinion nothing more

Are you following this stuff?

Escape and evasion tactics?

Beuhler was taking up a roster spot for a specific reason. We all know it- for you to say it has nothing to do with this conversation and Bailey attempting to hit from 53 yards is a lame argument and deflection at it's finest.

Nice to know that you have been a fan for a long time... and played too... wow... in America, THAT is rare indeed .... I will save you a cookie. I'll need a factory if everybody who fits that description is getting one.

Teach you football? I don't have the time or the inclination. You don't know me, I don't know you. Your conclusions in this regard are faulty, at best. And yes... I do know football- 'nuff said since I don't seek to "pretend" anything more than being a fan. Although yes, I too have played, coached and enjoyed the game for decades more as simply a fan.

Your opinion regarding the Cowboys, is relevant and welcomed. We can disagree all day long today, and then agree tomorrow- it's the way it goes. Don't get testy over it or you will get ulcers.

:laugh2:

 

[JoeCorrado]

Your opinion is just that. I did not say you were wrong or right. You make a choice you have nothing to lose. You can sit at home and make all the calls you want but in the end you don't pay the price for the call you have the luxury of second guessing.

Had Garrett gone for it would I have been upset? No it would be a risk but a risk he was willing to take. Would I have been upset with a punt? no chance to pin them back inside their 10 to 20 or do I trust my FG who has shown great accuracy and frankly good distance? Again a legit option.

We're cool. I was just stating my opinions here. It's what we do.

I know some days are harder than others for you guys here on the Zone. Comes with the territory.

 

[Hoofbite]

Better question,

Why did Dallas pass on a 52 yarder on the very next possession and then come back a little later and attempt a 50 yarder followed up by setting up a similar kick as the winner?

Anyone figure this out yet.

53 is worth a shot, as is 50 even if it's a game winner but 52 just isn't worth it.

 

[Deep_South]

My opinion- a fans opinion- and it matters to me.

You say that they were in his range... obviously- you are wrong... or Garrett, or whatever idiot decided that Bailey and Beuhler are the same guy because their names each begin with the letter B... c'mon man

Why is Beuhler here again? Oh, I remember JJ saying something about possibly needing a long FG at some point.

53 yards is not Bailey range... if you "expect" 3 points. Of course if you just want to watch him kick.. sure.

CONTEXT... better odds at 53, or getting a first on 4th and 1? That is the CONTEXT of the discussion. Can he make a FG from there? Sure, but the odds aren't such that you "expect" him to make it.

On the other hand- we better EXPECT the offense to pick up a yard when we need it.

You following this stuff?

You know, they do go out on the field before the game and have Bailey kick the ball in both directions to find out what his effective range will be for that particular game. They aren't guessing.

 

[JoeCorrado]

You know, they do go out on the field before the game and have Bailey kick the ball in both directions to find out what his effective range will be for that particular game. They aren't guessing.

Oh, sure, I understand that- a very "clean operation" it is too... pre-game warm ups with no players involved- just the kicker and his thoughts. No need to get the ball over the d-line, no snap to contend with, able to set the ball just so-so before you practice the kick, no pressure... ah yes.... a perfectly clean operation every time. Well, except for a cheerleader maybe. Know what I mean?

Hey, I've had my say- I'm moving on. Just like I hope this team does.

Maybe, they were just looking past the Cardinals to the Giants game? I know that they would deny it, but...

As somebody else stated- it's all opinion. And Garrett's opinion is the only one that mattered yesterday, and will again next week.

 

[KJJ]

Why didnt we go for it? 1. We would have gotten it. 2 it may have crushed Baileys confidence.

The biggest mistake other than Garrett top icing his own kicker was settling for a FG that was only 4 yards shorter than the one they missed when the Cowboys still had 2 time outs and 24 seconds left on the clock. There was plenty of time to get a little closer but once again Garrett got conservative playing not to lose. He didn't trust Romo to throw the ball in that situation or even to run another play he played scared and it cost us AGAIN.