Kickoff rules- for those that dont understand

[dbair1967]

I cant believe almost a week after the fact, this is still being bantered about in threads.

"Why didnt we just kick the ball out of bounds???!!!!"..."An ingenius idea!!!!"

When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff

 

[CCBoy]

I cant believe almost a week after the fact, this is still being bantered about in threads.

"Why didnt we just kick the ball out of bounds???!!!!"..."An ingenius idea!!!!"



http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff

But even in this case scenario, the Dallas 45 would still have been much better than the outcome that went down. At least an attempt for a field goal could have been much easier to have driven for in response to.

Thanks for presenting the rule...

 

[dbair1967]

But even in this case scenario, the Dallas 45 would still have been much better than the outcome that went down. At least an attempt for a field goal could have been much easier to have driven for in response to.

Thanks for presenting the rule...

Its still crazy. Why would you WANT the other team to start on your half of the field?

You should be able to hold people to 20-25 yd returns consistently. Havign the other team start at your 45 on purpose is foolish.

It was just bad special teams play. After being rock solid last yr, the kick coverage this yr has been mediocre.

 

[jakester]

i thought the same -kick out of bounds and dont give a chance at a good return.take your chances let them start at the 40 .

 

[DanteEXT]

Its still crazy. Why would you WANT the other team to start on your half of the field?

You should be able to hold people to 20-25 yd returns consistently. Havign the other team start at your 45 on purpose is foolish.

It was just bad special teams play. After being rock solid last yr, the kick coverage this yr has been mediocre.

They were talking about the coverage units on Talkin' Cowboys the other day. They were talking about how many of the leading tacklers from last years units are no longer here.

I don't know where to get those stats from. If anyone knows, be nice to compare the units and such.

 

[dbair1967]

i thought the same -kick out of bounds and dont give a chance at a good return.take your chances let them start at the 40 .

its just not a good play...kickoff returns for tds, even very long returns are pretty rare...in fact forcing a fumble on a kickoff return is probably at least as likely, if not more likely than a kick return fior a TD

its pretty simply math...Buehler, even on his "poor" kicks normally kicks to the goalline or very close to it, meaning his short kickoffs travel 70 yds...70+ 15 is 85, your special teams should be able to hold the other team to no better than a 20-25 yd return, meaning the worst the other team should have started out was their own 35 or 40. When he nails them though, they go deep into the endzone (75 to almost 80 yds), and in that case he would have gotten the kick to the 10 or even deepeer.

 

[CCBoy]

Its still crazy. Why would you WANT the other team to start on your half of the field?

You should be able to hold people to 20-25 yd returns consistently. Havign the other team start at your 45 on purpose is foolish.

It was just bad special teams play. After being rock solid last yr, the kick coverage this yr has been mediocre.

Crazy, not when dealing with the hypothetical of outcome and what would have been the alternative. There would have been no chance of runback. Just as when a touchdown on a final first half play would have been averted with a kneel down.

I wouldn't have gambled as such, but logic is there. Only degree is debateable in hindsight.

I am wondering how long the transition line will be until this unit reaches a similar hightide mark that last year achieved. It may have been 'better' due to the number of end zone kicks by Buehler then also.

 

[CCBoy]

its just not a good play...kickoff returns for tds, even very long returns are pretty rare...in fact forcing a fumble on a kickoff return is probably at least as likely, if not more likely than a kick return fior a TD

its pretty simply math...Buehler, even on his "poor" kicks normally kicks to the goalline or very close to it, meaning his short kickoffs travel 70 yds...70+ 15 is 85, your special teams should be able to hold the other team to no better than a 20-25 yd return, meaning the worst the other team should have started out was their own 35 or 40. When he nails them though, they go deep into the endzone (75 to almost 80 yds), and in that case he would have gotten the kick to the 10 or even deepeer.

Solid post....

 

[Yeagermeister]

In hindsight it might have been good to kick it out of bounds but I agree you can't think like that. The coverage team should have made the tackle.

 

[Smith22]

Our kickoff coverage has been poor this year. The Commanders returned at least 2 kicks 30-45 yards against us.

 

[Chuck 54]

My question all along was why we didn't squib it the way you do at the end of a game when you don't want a big return...or why didn't you pooch one of the high ones on the sideline around the 35...or why not drive a line drive kick that maybe eludes the returner and rolls into the endzone...or maybe just put Witten and Columbo on the kick coverage team as wedge busters after the penalty....(yes, I know wedges are not allowed anymore...I knew some kill joy anal freak would bring that up if I didn't).

 

[Reality]

I cant believe almost a week after the fact, this is still being bantered about in threads.

"Why didnt we just kick the ball out of bounds???!!!!"..."An ingenius idea!!!!"



http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff

This was actually posted during the first 24 hours after the last game. Still worth a repost though..

-Reality

 

[TNCowboy]

My question all along was why we didn't squib it the way you do at the end of a game when you don't want a big return...or why didn't you pooch one of the high ones on the sideline around the 35...or why not drive a line drive kick that maybe eludes the returner and rolls into the endzone...or maybe just put Witten and Columbo on the kick coverage team as wedge busters after the penalty....(yes, I know wedges are not allowed anymore...I knew some kill joy anal freak would bring that up if I didn't).

I'd bet that the majority of squib kicks wind up at around the same position that the ball would if it were kicked out of bounds....around the 40 (or the Cowboys' 45, in this case).

 

[Jarv]

I cant believe almost a week after the fact, this is still being bantered about in threads.

"Why didnt we just kick the ball out of bounds???!!!!"..."An ingenius idea!!!!"



http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff

Thanks, I didn't know that.

 

[jimmy40]

This was actually posted during the first 24 hours after the last game. Still worth a repost though..

-Reality

maybe even the first hour

 

[hornitosmonster]

You can't kick the ball out of bounds!!! This isn't even debatable!! There are some seriously demented Monday morning coaches around here

 

[Hoofbite]

I didn't know that rule at the time.

 

[Hoofbite]

You can't kick the ball out of bounds!!! This isn't even debatable!! There are some seriously demented Monday morning coaches around here

If the rule would have given the Titans the ball at their own 40, you sure can kick out of bounds.

But, the rule doesn't......so you can't.

 

[Hostile]

My bad. I think I started that whole idea because I did not know that fine point of detail. I was wrong to think it would be at the 40 based on that info. I still doubt that Tennessee had enough left to score without that return and the penalty.

Doesn't matter, Titans won and we rue.

 

[nalam]

its just not a good play...kickoff returns for tds, even very long returns are pretty rare...in fact forcing a fumble on a kickoff return is probably at least as likely, if not more likely than a kick return fior a TD

its pretty simply math...Buehler, even on his "poor" kicks normally kicks to the goalline or very close to it, meaning his short kickoffs travel 70 yds...70+ 15 is 85, your special teams should be able to hold the other team to no better than a 20-25 yd return, meaning the worst the other team should have started out was their own 35 or 40. When he nails them though, they go deep into the endzone (75 to almost 80 yds), and in that case he would have gotten the kick to the 10 or even deepeer.

+1