Kiper rankings

[DBOY3141]

I've seen a couple of posts that show the rankings out our drafted players.

Gosslein - 2 in top 100
Brandt - 2 in top 100
CBS Sportsline - 8 in top 136

Does anyone know where Kiper had them ranked. I think it's on ESPN, but I don't have the insider.

 

[Big Dakota]

Tuesday, April 28, 2009

THE KIPER-MCSHAY DEBATES



KIPER & MCSHAY - SO HAPPY TOGETHER???


As a rule, I don't like to get in the middle of lovers quarrels--but for these two guys--I will make an exception. And in this case I will say both are wrong, but one is less wrong than the other.

In the NFL draft aftermath, it is part of the process to grade each teams performance in drafting potential future players. In the ESPN battle of the talking heads/draft gurus McShay took a stab or two at Kiper for giving teams ANY grade at all. He feels like you can't grade the draft until a few years out. DUH!!! But the whole reason these two grace our screens for this event is to give an "educated guess" on the "presently unknown - future prospects" of these collegians.

It's the whole purpose of ranking guys and having a draft list!!! And you can't venture an educated guess on which team did a better job of it than another.

C'mon McShay get a clue. You have your list of players ranked with razor sharp precision--somebody is ranked #1, #2, etc. And the teams are conveniently drafting in an eerily similar fashion--numerical order #1, #2, etc.

So can you not back into a reasonable grade, based on your list going into the draft and comparing it versus each team? Let's say we have Team A who drafts in the 1st, 33rd, 65th, 97th and 129th spot and gets the #1, #33, #65, #97 and #129 ranked prospect--then that team did about as well as expected--BASED ON YOUR MAGIC LIST.

And could you not conclude that if they get lower ranked players based on their draft slot CONSISTENTLY, then they received good value? And the opposite would be true as well.

It seems like this was the nexus of a lot of the debate about GOOD CHOICE/BAD CHOICE
that filled time between choices.

So you are either telling us that this ranking of players--your area of expertise--is just so much show-filler or you don't have the confidence or expertise to translate it into a team grade, which seems to be a relatively simple exercise.

Why were eyebrows raised when the Raiders took Heyward-Bey? Because he wasn't the highest ranked receiver, and his ranking on both of your lists was higher than the slot he was selected at--i.e. BAD PICK or a reach. Too many of those and a team could find itself rebuilding for a decade.

OK, enough for pounding the McShay position. Now on to Kiper. I cannot for the life of me understand how Mel can continually give the Jets and the Bucs almost anyone who trades up to get "their" guy solid grades.

MEL'S GRADES LISTED HERE:
http://www.faniq.com/article/Mel-Kiper-Jr-2009-NFL-Draft-Team-Grades-1561200

Part of it could be I'm not real sold on Sanchez. He was over-hyped by the USC hype machine. If you watch most of the highlights, his receivers were so wide open, I could have drop-kicked passes to them and completed a good number. We'll see how good he is when he has to throw into tight windows after getting smacked in the mouth a time or two--something else he has limited experience with.

How do the Bucs get a good grade for mismanaging their roster so much that they NEED to trade up to get a project QB, who may not help them for years? That is almost beyond belief.

At least you give out grades, Mel. BRAVO. But having the cajones to trade up does not always make a good draft. The Eagle made a good "trade-up" to get Maclin who was a great value at the spot due to the domino effect of the Raiders reaching for DHB earlier. There was not another impact WR that they could have sat in their spot and waited for--they spotted an opportunity and pounced on it. The Bucs likely could have had Freeman later and Sanchez at minimum has to bring the Jets a playoff victory very soon to justify the hype and the cost to obtain him.

But, I was wrong about Eli, so who knows.

Posted by Charles Slavik, CPT*D at 2:02 PM
Labels: Mel Kiper, NFL Draft

 

[speedkilz88]

Gil Brandt's Top 100

68. Mike Mickens
76. Stephen McGee
85. Michael Hamlin
100. DeAngelo Smith

 

[DBOY3141]

Gil Brandt's Top 100

68. Mike Mickens
76. Stephen McGee
85. Michael Hamlin
100. DeAngelo Smith

my bad. I thought I read only two. I have alot of respect for Brandt. I think he still knows alot about football players.

 

[AdamJT13]

Gil Brandt's Top 100

68. Mike Mickens
76. Stephen McGee
85. Michael Hamlin
100. DeAngelo Smith

That's not correct. Brandt ranked players in tiers -- groups of 10, listed alphabetically within each tier. And we had five players in his top 100 (you missed Brandon Williams).

Tier 1 - Top 10 Players(Alphabetically Within Tier) - WR Michael Crabtree, LB Aaron Curry, QB Josh Freeman, DE/DT Tyson Jackson, WR Jeremy Maclin, OT Eugene Monroe, DE Brian Orakpo, OT Andre Smith, OT Jason Smith, QB Matthew Stafford

Tier 2 - 11-20 - DE Robert Ayers, DE Everette Brown, LB Brian Cushing, CB/S Malcolm Jenkins, DT Peria Jerry, DE Aaron Maybin, OT Michael Oher, DT B.J. Raji, QB Mark Sanchez, RB Chris Wells

Tier 3 - 21-30 - OT William Beatty, OT Eben Britton, CB Vontae Davis, WR Percy Harvin, DE Michael Johnson, LB James Laurinatis, LB Clay Matthews Jr., LB Rey Maualuga, RB Knowshon Moreno, TE Brandon Pettigrew

Tier 4 - 31-40 - WR Kenny Britt, RB Donald Brown, DE/OLB Larry English, WR Darius Heyward-Bey, DT Evander Hood, C Alex Mack, OT Jamon Meredith, WR Brian Robiskie, CB Alphonso Smith, C Max Unger

Tier 5 - 41-50 - DE/OLB Connor Barwin, CB Darius Butler, S Patrick Chung, S Louis Delmas, DE/DT Jarron Gilbert, TE Cornelius Ingram, OT Phil Loadholt, WR Hakeem Nicks, CB D.J. Moore, LB Clint Sintim

Tier 6 - 51-60 - TE Jared Cook, DE Paul Kruger, RB LeSean McCoy, DT Fili Moala, S William Moore, WR Louis Murphy, TE Shawn Nelson, OG Duke Robinson, WR/QB Pat White, WR Derrick Williams

Tier 7 - 61-70 - CB Kevin Barnes, DT Ron Brace, CB Jairus Byrd, TE James Casey, RB Shonn Greene, S Rashad Johnson, DT Sen'Derrick Marks, CB Mike Mickens, CB Sean Smith, C Eric Wood

Tier 8 - 71-80 - DE/OLB Cody Brown, OT Gerald Cadogan, WR Juaquin Iglesias, DT Ricky Jean-Francois, DT Alex Magee, QB Stephen McGee, TE Richard Quinn, G/T Kraig Urbik, S Chip Vaughn, CB Donald Washington

Tier 9 - 81-90 - CB Kevin Barnes, TE Travis Beckum, RB Andre Brown, LB Marcus Freeman, S Michael Hamlin, OG Andy LeVitre, WR Mohammed Massaqoi, DE Lawrence Sidbury, DE Brandon Williams, QB John Parker Wilson

Tier 10 - 91-100 - LB Darry Beckwith, QB Rhett Bomar, LB Jasper Brinkley, C/G Antoine Caldwell, TE Anthony Hill, CB Keenan Lewis, S Darcel McBath, S/CB Sherrod Martin, CB Chris Owens, CB DeAngelo Smith

 

[Quarterback Coach]

Does It Matter????? Kiper Ranked Minnesota's 2005 Draft An A+ And None Are Even On The Team Now...

 

[Marktui]

Does It Matter????? Kiper Ranked Minnesota's 2005 Draft An A+ And None Are Even On The Team Now...

, Right on the money there.....way to early to grade the 09 draft.