Kiper's grades

[Mr Cowboy]

I agree...who wants to learn from an established veteran? Those rooks should just keep the bad habits that they came with.

:laugh2:

omg

Yeah, who wants players who are ready step in and play....... only in Dallas do rookie players need years on the bench to learn the game!

 

[NJ22]

I think Mel summed it up pretty well. The picks were solid players but we ignored our biggest needs.

 

[Ratmatt]

Where did he say that?

Reading is fundamental!

Did Tractor 1 not say in his post.The owner/GM is not going to change,and I don't think it should,so why continue calling for it to take place.

 

[jjktkk]

I've frequented this site for a few years without posting much. Most of the discusions are entertaining and informative, some, not so much. It's hard to understanding the purpose of those who continually berate the owner/GM, coaches, and personel decisions. What does it accomplish? I was born the same year the Cowboys were, and have been a fan for as long as I can remember. The owner/GM is not going to change, and I don't think it should, so why continue calling for it to take place? Move on. Life is too short to allow something as trivial as football to steal your joy. The Cowboys will return to the top, and when they do, the wait will have made the experience more enjoyable.

He thinks hes being informative.

 

[5Stars]

Yeah, who wants players who are ready step in and play....... only in Dallas do rookie players need years on the bench to learn the game!

How many years do you think it will take any of these players to hit the field?

I bet all of them hit the field in one way or the other this coming year whether it is special teams or even starting. That is even if they make the team.

But you must think that all those draft picks will sit for years.

 

[5Stars]

Did Tractor 1 not say in his post.The owner/GM is not going to change,and I don't think it should,so why continue calling for it to take place.

I guess he did...

My bad, bro.

 

[Fansince64]

I've frequented this site for a few years without posting much. Most of the discusions are entertaining and informative, some, not so much. It's hard to understanding the purpose of those who continually berate the owner/GM, coaches, and personel decisions. What does it accomplish? I was born the same year the Cowboys were, and have been a fan for as long as I can remember. The owner/GM is not going to change, and I don't think it should, so why continue calling for it to take place? Move on. Life is too short to allow something as trivial as football to steal your joy. The Cowboys will return to the top, and when they do, the wait will have made the experience more enjoyable.

Where did he say that?

Reading is fundamental!

Yes it is!!! You should learn to read sometime.


Monte Sliger

 

[5Stars]

Yes it is!!! You should learn to read sometime.


Monte Sliger

You are right!

:laugh2:

 

[DFWJC]

Bennett didnt work out because he didnt earn Romo's trust by dropping key passes and failing to line up properly multiple times even in his latter years,Romo will not target you if he feels you are not reliable catcher.

By late 2012 season, he was on Eli's bad list too for similar reasons.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Kiper was very fair with his assessment. This team needed to come out of this draft with a minimum of 2 starters at a position of need. No matter how much you want to spin it, Escobar, Williams, Wilcox, or Webb will not be walk in starters. This team is not good enough to be selecting back up players or developmental players.

You can what if Witten, Austin, Church, Scandrick, get hurt all you want, but its more likely that Ratliffe and Hatcher gets hurt, then what? What if Smith gets hurt, or one of the guards?

I don't have a problem with the Center pick, but last year Jerry convinced us that with better guard play the center would be better. This year he's telling us that with better Center play the OL will be better.

But bottom line, they should of selected the best safety in the second round, best OL/DT available in the 3rd and 4th round. Not players who will sit and learn from established veterans.

The biggest problem with all of this is your asking for need based drafting. That is almost always a huge fail, and the reason for some of our absolutely horrible drafts in the past.

Saying you will just take the best safety available in the second round, without looking at the talent available at other positions, is just a terrible way to build talent on a football team. The draft is for talent acquisition, not filling needs.....and the only place need should creep in is higher up in the draft.

 

[Randy White]

I think Mel summed it up pretty well. The picks were solid players but we ignored our biggest needs.

Wait a second. Our biggest needs were OL (interior), DL, and Safety. We drafted a C in the first round and a Safety in the 3rd round.

How's that ignoring our biggest needs ?

 

[Ratmatt]

The biggest problem with all of this is your asking for need based drafting. That is almost always a huge fail, and the reason for some of our absolutely horrible drafts in the past.

Saying you will just take the best safety available in the second round, without looking at the talent available at other positions, is just a terrible way to build talent on a football team. The draft is for talent acquisition, not filling needs.....and the only place need should creep in is higher up in the draft.

Well Frederick was a need based pick.There is no way he was the BPA on their board at that time.He may have been the best center on their board,but not the BPA.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well Frederick was a need based pick.There is no way he was the BPA on their board at that time.He may have been the best center on their board,but not the BPA.

I agree, although that was in the 1st round where need should be a part of the equation. Was it a slight reach, of course, but with all the OL already taken, don't think they had much of a choice cause if he goes before 47......then what.......I will tell you what, alot of people complaining here we didn't do anything for the OL and having to hear that for the rest of the year.

Now we have 2 young first rounders on our OL, pretty good thing to build on if you ask me.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think Mel summed it up pretty well. The picks were solid players but we ignored our biggest needs.

What were our biggest needs that didn't get addressed?

 

[LynnFoster]

Kiper was very fair with his assessment. This team needed to come out of this draft with a minimum of 2 starters at a position of need. No matter how much you want to spin it, Escobar, Williams, Wilcox, or Webb will not be walk in starters.

And that is exactly what is wrong with Mel Kiper. 2nd round draft picks are very rarely starters from day one and for literally decades Kiper has based his analysis on the idea they do. Vacarro was the only safety in this draft capable of being a solid starter from the first day of the season and he went long before the Cowboys pick.

 

[DFWJC]

I would list our needs pre-draft as:

1. RG starter
2. FS starter
3. RT starter
4. C starter
5. RB backup (easiest to fill)
6. DT rotation
7. DE rotation
8. LG rotation
9. SS depth
10. WR 3/4 rotation
11. OLB rotation
12. CB depth
13. ILB backup
14. TE backup2
15. QB3

 

[wileedog]

What were our biggest needs that didn't get addressed?

Safety. More OL. DL depth and youth.

All more important than another TE, another WR and another CB.

 

[Risen Star]

Here's The Sporting News' Vinny Iyer's draft grade....

Dallas Cowboys: They're down here because they didn't get either an offensive tackle or defensive lineman, and didn't get in on the run of top safeties. Wisconsin center Travis Frederick could have been had after Round 1, and although San Diego State tight end Gavin Escobar and Baylor wide receiver Terrance Williams have bright futures, it was a case of the Cowboys adding to what they already had. William and Mary slot corner B.W. Webb might end up helping them most in '13.

Grade: C

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...=maing-grid7|main5|dl19|sec1_lnk3&pLid=305266

 

[Randy White]

I would list our needs pre-draft as:

1. RG starter
2. FS starter
3. RT starter
4. C starter
5. RB backup (easiest to fill)
6. DT rotation
7. DE rotation
8. LG rotation
9. SS depth
10. WR 3/4 rotation
11. OLB rotation
12. ILB backup
13. TE backup2
14. QB3

Travis Frederick is going to start at either guard or center, so that answers your list's #1 or #4 and #8 needs.

Terrance Williams answers your list's #10 need

J. J. Wilcox answers your list's #9 need, maybe by the end of training camp #2 as well.

Joseph Randle answers your list's #5 need.

DeVonte Holloman answers your list's #11 need.

Gavin Escobar answers your list's #13 need.

Even going by your own list, which doesn't necessarily reflect completely the team's needs, this draft just tried to fill 7 out of the 14 positions you just posted. Also, keep in mind we only have 7 draft picks, which makes it a little hard to fill all 14 of those needs.

 

[Risen Star]

Travis Frederick is going to start at either guard or center, so that answers your list's #1 or #4 and #8 needs.

Terrance Williams answers your list's #10 need

J. J. Wilcox answers your list's #9 need, maybe by the end of training camp #2 as well.

Joseph Randle answers your list's #5 need.

DeVonte Holloman answers your list's #11 need.

Gavin Escobar answers your list's #13 need.

Even going by your own list, which doesn't necessarily reflect completely the teams needs, this draft just tried to fill 7 out of the 14 positions you just posted.

Dude, he bolded the ones he felt we addressed.