Kitna gets vocal

[SDCowboy]

After this many years i expect Romo to be the same as he has always been.

I guess it doesn't matter. People will say he he doesn't get on his player no matter what he does.

 

[TD-33]

Peyton doesn't get vocal huh? YOu don't want him play often, do you?

want or watch? no I'm from Dallas I rarely get Colt's games and yes I know he get's onto guys but he doesn't like Brady has been.

The whole argument is pointless. Romo is on another level compared to Kitna and his body of work proves it. I am glad Kitna is playing well for the Cowboys until Romo is ready though.

 

[Stautner]

I guess it doesn't matter. People will say he he doesn't get on his player no matter what he does.

Romo doesn't get on players. One can argue whether that's good or bad I suppose, but he doesn't. As for me, i don't want to see Romo or anyone else be an ******* who is constantly getting on someone's butt, however i wouldn't mind him being a little more assertive with teammates and putting his foot down ast to what's expected. The guys all love Romo, but I want them to shut the hell up and do what Romo wants and expects - and demands, and only Romo can make that happen.

want or watch? no I'm from Dallas I rarely get Colt's games and yes I know he get's onto guys but he doesn't like Brady has been.

The whole argument is pointless. Romo is on another level compared to Kitna and his body of work proves it. I am glad Kitna is playing well for the Cowboys until Romo is ready though.

I don't think anyone has questioned that Romo is the more talented player.

 

[SDCowboy]

Romo doesn't get on players. One can argue whether that's good or bad I suppose, but he doesn't. As for me, i don't want to see Romo or anyone else be an ******* who is constantly getting on someone's butt, however i wouldn't mind him being a little more assertive with teammates and putting his foot down ast to what's expected. The guys all love Romo, but I want them to shut the hell up and do what Romo wants and expects - and demands, and only Romo can make that happen.



I don't think anyone has questioned that Romo is the more talented player.

He does get on his teammates. He just tells them what they did wrong and teaches them how to do it again correctly instead of going ballistic. Just yelling at someone doesn't help nor make them do anything any better if don't know what to do. Kitna on the other hands yells are the receiver even if he was the one who threw a bad ball.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Your analysis of Kitna as a leader is based on what? How vocal he is in between plays? Anything else that's relevant that we're able to see as fans?

It is based off the reports from people close to the situation who say Kitna has a much better feel and much better command of the team. Romo is cliquish, and I think it shows with Kitna at the helm.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

It is based off the reports from people close to the situation who say Kitna has a much better feel and much better command of the team. Romo is cliquish, and I think it shows with Kitna at the helm.

How can that possibly show?

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

The only thing that has shown with Kitna at the helm is that we would've beaten the Saints and Eagles with Romo playing.

Also, if they don't accidentally point a directional mic at Kitna just in time to hear him yelling at Gronk then none of this is even said. Do any of you really believe if Romo was out there and a rookie FB wasn't coming on the field like he was supposed to that Romo wouldn't yell across the field at him? :laugh2:

 

[TD-33]

Romo doesn't get on players.

yes he does. often.

 

[Doomsday101]

The only thing that has shown with Kitna at the helm is that we would've beaten the Saints and Eagles with Romo playing.

Also, if they don't accidentally point a directional mic at Kitna just in time to hear him yelling at Gronk then none of this is even said. Do any of you really believe if Romo was out there and a rookie FB wasn't coming on the field like he was supposed to that Romo wouldn't yell across the field at him? :laugh2:

Offense and Kitna did enough to win vs Philly and NO only thing those 2 games have proven is our defense can't stop anyone. I expect if my offense is putting up 27 points that the defense should be able to hold their own.

 

[The Emperor]

It is based off the reports from people close to the situation who say Kitna has a much better feel and much better command of the team. Romo is cliquish, and I think it shows with Kitna at the helm.

Yet when comparable sources attest to Romo's leadership, they're suddenly discredited and the Dan Forgers of the sports world.

 

[Stautner]

He does get on his teammates. He just tells them what they did wrong and teaches them how to do it again correctly instead of going ballistic. Just yelling at someone doesn't help nor make them do anything any better if don't know what to do. Kitna on the other hands yells are the receiver even if he was the one who threw a bad ball.

Sounds like a touchy /feely approach to me. The fact is, a lot of teaching shouldn't be necessary on game day. Sure there has to be some discussion about what went wrong, and we've seen that with Kitna as well as Romo, but they aren't drawing new plays in the sand on game day, and to a large degeree if players are running the wrong routes it's generally a lack of focus or hustle. Yes, Romo makes a gesture about where they should have gone, but I don't see the stern rebuke, the demeanor that conveys that they either get it right or they won't get the chance anymore. Romo talks to them on the sidelines, and Kitna does as well, but like I said in an earlier post, it strikes me with Romo as more as a discussion where thoughts are exchanged rather than a take charge, force them to understand kind of thing.

There is no room on game day for the receiver to have his own ideas. He has to be where the QB expects him to be. Maybe Romo gets that across, maybe not, and maybe Kitna doesn't get it across as well as I think, but the demeanor from Kitna seems more in line with getting it across. I just don't like having the impression that receivers be treated as if everything's all right, we can talk about it and get it right next time. To me the expectation has to be to get it right this time, and if you don't you are failing to do your job.

And before you go there, I understand that I don't know exactly what is said or hw the players receive Romo or Kitna, I'm just going with what I perceive from what I see, just like we all are.

 

[Stautner]

The only thing that has shown with Kitna at the helm is that we would've beaten the Saints and Eagles with Romo playing.

Also, if they don't accidentally point a directional mic at Kitna just in time to hear him yelling at Gronk then none of this is even said. Do any of you really believe if Romo was out there and a rookie FB wasn't coming on the field like he was supposed to that Romo wouldn't yell across the field at him? :laugh2:

You're kidding, right? The Kitna led offense consistently puts up big yards and big points, yet it's the Kitna led offense that is to blame for the Saints and Eagles putting up 30 points apeice?

I suppose it's the Kitna led offense that's to blame for the Colts and Washington putting up 35 and 30 points to make those games close. Doesn't matter that the Kitna led offense put up 38 and 33, it was still their fault it was close.

Is that how it works?

 

[SDCowboy]

Sounds like a touchy /feely approach to me. The fact is, a lot of teaching shouldn't be necessary on game day. Sure there has to be some discussion about what went wrong, and we've seen that with Kitna as well as Romo, but they aren't drawing new plays in the sand on game day, and to a large degeree if players are running the wrong routes it's generally a lack of focus or hustle. Yes, Romo makes a gesture about where they should have gone, but I don't see the stern rebuke, the demeanor that conveys that they either get it right or they won't get the chance anymore. Romo talks to them on the sidelines, and Kitna does as well, but like I said in an earlier post, it strikes me with Romo as more as a discussion where thoughts are exchanged rather than a take charge, force them to understand kind of thing.

There is no room on game day for the receiver to have his own ideas. He has to be where the QB expects him to be. Maybe Romo gets that across, maybe not, and maybe Kitna doesn't get it across as well as I think, but the demeanor from Kitna seems more in line with getting it across. I just don't like having the impression that receivers be treated as if everything's all right, we can talk about it and get it right next time. To me the expectation has to be to get it right this time, and if you don't you are failing to do your job.

And before you go there, I understand that I don't know exactly what is said or hw the players receive Romo or Kitna, I'm just going with what I perceive from what I see, just like we all are.

I take it you haven't watched any of the mic'd up segments on NFL Network.

 

[Stautner]

I take it you haven't watched any of the mic'd up segments on NFL Network.

I haven't. If I've missed something that would have given me a different impression that's unfortunate. I am a fan of Romo and would love to see something that would give me a better sense that he has a strong hand and the players view him as an authority figure on the team.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Yet when comparable sources attest to Romo's leadership, they're suddenly discredited and the Dan Forgers of the sports world.

Don't put words in my mouth. I not once said I thought Romo was a bad leader, or anywhere close.

I said I thought Kitna was a better leader.

 

[SDCowboy]

I haven't. If I've missed something that would have given me a different impression that's unfortunate. I am a fan of Romo and would love to see something that would give me a better sense that he has a strong hand and the players view him as an authority figure on the team.

I suggest you check them out. Even if they don't change your opinion they are pretty cool.

 

[Stautner]

I suggest you check them out. Even if they don't change your opinion they are pretty cool.

I've seen some of it before, just not with Romo. It is pretty cool.

 

[Doomsday101]

I've seen some of it before, just not with Romo. It is pretty cool.

I have seen Romo get after guys along the OL and that is just what the camera showed.

 

[The Emperor]

Don't put words in my mouth. I not once said I thought Romo was a bad leader, or anywhere close.

I said I thought Kitna was a better leader.

You still haven't answered this question, and that doesn't mean you avoided it. You probably didn't see it. So, I'll post it again:

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When did you come to this conclusion [that Kitna is a better leader than Romo]?

After he blew a 20-7 lead against the Giants?

After we got blown out by the Jaguars?

Or after we got blown out by the Packers?

And were you impressed with Kitna's leadership in 2007 when the Detroit Lions started out 6-2 and then lost the next six games to ultimately finish 7-9?

I'm not saying these things to denigrate Kitna. I'm saying these things so you folks don't get crazy and believe he's somehow better than Romo. I think Kitna is benefitting from a Jason Garrett-coached team that isn't lax and lazy and lacking attention to detail like we had with Wade Phillips. That's the reality of the matter.

 

[SDCowboy]

You still haven't answered this question, and that doesn't mean you avoided it. You probably didn't see it. So, I'll post it again:

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When did you come to this conclusion [that Kitna is a better leader than Romo]?

After he blew a 20-7 lead against the Giants?

After we got blown out by the Jaguars?

Or after we got blown out by the Packers?

And were you impressed with Kitna's leadership in 2007 when the Detroit Lions started out 6-2 and then lost the next six games to ultimately finish 7-9?

I'm not saying these things to denigrate Kitna. I'm saying these things so you folks don't get crazy and believe he's somehow better than Romo. I think Kitna is benefitting from a Jason Garrett-coached team that isn't lax and lazy and lacking attention to detail like we had with Wade Phillips. That's the reality of the matter.

It must have been after Kitna took the Lions to 0-16.