Kiwanuka Moving to LB for Giants

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Kiwanuka makes Giant move

BY RALPH VACCHIANO
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Monday, April 30th 2007, 4:00 AM

The Giants found some much-needed linebacking help, and they didn't need to use one of their draft picks.

Mathias Kiwanuka, the Giants' first-round pick last year, is switching positions from defensive end to linebacker, coach Tom Coughlin and GM Jerry Reese revealed after the draft ended yesterday. Coughlin called the move an "experiment" that he'll watch closely during spring drills. But Reese said, "We have (Kiwanuka) penciled in as our starting (strong-side) linebacker right now. There's no question he can make the transition to outside linebacker. No question about it. He can play SAM (strong-side) linebacker for us. He's athletic, he's long, he's tall. You want your SAM to have some height. He can do all that stuff."

"Our idea there is to try to get as many quality players on the field at the same time as best we can," Coughlin added. "I think he can play well in that position."

In a way, he already has. In the hybrid 4-3/3-4 defense that former defensive coordinator Tim Lewis often ran for the Giants last season, Kiwanuka, who has been a defensive end since high school, was called on several times to drop off the line of scrimmage and into coverage. He performed well enough to make two interceptions. With new defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo expected to play more of a traditional 4-3, Kiwanuka might not get those opportunities if he stayed at end.

Also, if he did, he'd be stuck as a backup behind Pro Bowlers Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora. Dropping him to linebacker gives the Giants a huge, speedy, impact player at that position - the kind they've been seeking for years.

The Kiwanuka switch is why the Giants didn't make linebacker a first-day priority in the draft. Despite having a seemingly glaring need on either side of middle linebacker Antonio Pierce, they went cornerback (Texas' Aaron Ross), receiver (USC's Steve Smith) and defensive tackle (Penn State's Jay Alford) in the first three rounds.

"I told you guys (Saturday), we have linebackers," Reese said with a smile. "I didn't tell you Kiwanuka was a linebacker, but I told you we had linebackers. It wasn't a pressing need for us."

Now they have a glut of linebackers after drafting Brown linebacker Zak DeOssie - son of former Giants linebacker Steve DeOssie - in the fourth round yesterday. Reese said DeOssie can be penciled in as Kiwanuka's backup, which could be bad news for Reggie Torbor. The weak-side starter either will be second-year pro Gerris Wilkinson or free-agent signee Kawika Mitchell, who said he was going to play the strong side when he signed with the Giants a few weeks ago.
 

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By the end of the season, Strahan will be injured and Kiwanuka will be a DE again.
 

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Crown Royal;1482209 said:
By the end of the season, Strahan will be injured and Kiwanuka will be a DE again.

:hammer:


I'd like to see that 6'8" frame of his try and turn his hips and cover Jason Witten down field. Gonna be comical to watch.
 

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Rack;1482211 said:
:hammer:


I'd like to see that 6'8" frame of his try and turn his hips and cover Jason Witten down field. Gonna me comical to watch.

1) I agree with you - he is a go-forward player, especially in the 4-3. If they were 3-4, MAYBE (big maybe) this would work. But this is just silly.

2) He is way too talented to be used as a LBer. Not saying an SOLB is something anyone can do, but this guy is going to be a solid member of the line long after Strahan is gone.
 

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Kiwanuka was turning into a monster at DE. I know the Giants are weak at LB, but is this a good idea? You start moving ends to linebacker in a 4-3 scheme and you're liable to ruin them.

Plus, Strahan's at the end of his rope. He's about to 50/50 platoon status. But hey, go for it, Gints. If he doesn't have his hand down he's got another couple of yards to go before he gets to Romo. Works for me and I'm sure it works for Tony.
 

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He simply is not athletic enough to play 4-3 LB, he could have some production in the 3-4, but the Giants don't have the personnel for a full time switch to 3-4.
 

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Kiwanuka had two interceptions last year in the regular season and 1 more in the preseason. I was saying last year he was mobile enough to play OLB in the 3-4, but we supposedly needed someone more "versatile" .. .and by versatile, I mean mediocre.
 

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InmanRoshi;1482229 said:
Kiwanuka had two interceptions last year in the regular season and 1 more in the preseason. I was saying last year he was mobile enough to play OLB in the 3-4, but we supposedly needed someone more "versatile" .. .and by versatile, I mean mediocre.


I was all aboard the Kiwanuka bandwagon, and had been since he was a junior. I was deflated as hell when the giants took him.

That being said - I don't think Carpenter is mediocre.
 

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Rack;1482211 said:
I'd like to see that 6'8" frame of his try and turn his hips and cover Jason Witten down field. Gonna me comical to watch.
He's actually 6'5". Almost 6'6".

But here are his timed numbers:

40 Yrd Dash: 4.70
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.15
3-Cone Drill: 7.29

That Shuttle is shocking. The cone is average. But I wouldn't imagine those numbers are too much worse than Witten's.
 

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InmanRoshi;1482229 said:
Kiwanuka had two interceptions last year in the regular season and 1 more in the preseason. I was saying last year he was mobile enough to play OLB in the 3-4, but we supposedly needed someone more "versatile" .. .and by versatile, I mean mediocre.
Kiwanuka would have been a major reach at 18. That said, Bobby's a much better athlete, and will be a much better LB regardless.
 

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I'd like to see that 6'8" frame of his try and turn his hips and cover Jason Witten down field. Gonna me comical to watch.[/QUOTE]

very comical, just like trying to move ellis from de to olb... no wait....:bang2:
 

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Teague31;1482247 said:
I'd like to see that 6'8" frame of his try and turn his hips and cover Jason Witten down field. Gonna me comical to watch.

very comical, just like trying to move ellis from de to olb... no wait....:bang2:[/quote]

:lmao2:


I was thinking the same.
 

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Teague31;1482247 said:
I'd like to see that 6'8" frame of his try and turn his hips and cover Jason Witten down field. Gonna me comical to watch.

very comical, just like trying to move ellis from de to olb... no wait....:bang2:[/quote]

smarta5150;1482259 said:
very comical, just like trying to move ellis from de to olb... no wait....:bang2:

:lmao2:


I was thinking the same.[/quote]

Ellis did fine, don't know why you guys are ridiculing the move
 

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Bob Sacamano;1482262 said:
very comical, just like trying to move ellis from de to olb... no wait....:bang2:



:lmao2:


I was thinking the same.[/quote]

Ellis did fine, don't know why you guys are ridiculing the move[/quote]


You felt comfortable when Ellis was out in space and had to cover people?

:puke:
 

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You guys need to learn how to work the "quote" feature. I'm so confused.
 

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theogt;1482268 said:
I thought Carpenter was a reach as well, but that single video clip isn't convincing me that he's a better pick at 18 than Carpenter.

There's about 6 more that I can show you. Including one where he knocks Romo back so hard for a sack and forced fumble that Tony almost does a summersault in mid air.

He would have been a Top 10 pick if he had came out as a junior. Was Bobby ever considered a potential Top 10 pick? Kiwanuka falling that far in the draft is a classic example of paralysis by analysis. He was penalized because he received a lot of (well deserved) hype and he was over analyzed more than other prospects were. The moment he stepped on the field in Giants training camp he was making jaws drop and they were trying to think of ways they could get him on the field with Strahan and Kiwanuka. Bobby had a hard time stealing playing time away from Al Singleton.
 
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