Kraft ashamed

[Dallas]

do yourself and me a favor, and crawl out of my butt, don't like the discussion, don't join it

the other thread was arguing whether Inman's analogy made sense anyways

Go back and read that entire thread again genius. I am pretty certain you never did in the beginning. Go back and read that whole thing and tell me when it stopped talking about the class of BB. Yea IR had some silly analogy but much of that thread is all about what you are trying to stir in this thread.

I am just calling you out on it. Don't like it? Take it to the OTHER thread.

 

[the kid 05]

wait since when has Nors been back? (happy belated welcome back bud)

i went to that patsfans.com and still couldn't find a link to where it says Mr. Kraft he is ashamed

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Kicking FG when you are in FG isn't running the score up, running dives and traps thru the 2 and 3 gap that result in TDs isn't running up the score. Going for it on 4th and 5 or throwing a bomb into the endzone is, when you have a lead like they have going vanilla shows sportsmanship. It is just like the unspoken rule no bunting to break up a no hitter if the winning team is up by 5 runs or more.

ok, say they kick the FG, they scored on another drive w/ their backup QB in the game, that's 10 more points added to the score

I agree that it was unsportsmanlike to go for the 4th and 1 instead of kicking the FG, but the only way the Pats weren't running up the score is if they were to kneel on every possession

 

[Nors]

Oh Please !

I just threw up in the back of my throat. Thanks Nors. No really!

TELL ME YOUR DALLAS FAN HISTORY IN 2 MINUTES?

Kmart PR put us back on the map versus Eagles.
Jeffcoat a great Cowboy under the radar.

Adderly, Alworth, Hill, Morton, Jordan, Green, Manders, Nye, Neely, Wright, Lilly, Pugh, Parks, Too Tall, Cole, Toomay, Renfron. Golden Richards, Bowling Ball, ,Fitz, Butch, DD, Walt, Roger, Manster, Martin, Dutton, Fugett, Preston, Waters and Cliff, Bates, White, TD, Lockhart, Walls. Walker, Downs, Cosbie, Newt and into 1990's.

You want to call me on Dallas fan - you are offbase. I can go to school all day every day

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Go back and read that entire thread again genius. I am pretty certain you never did in the beginning. Go back and read that whole thing and tell me when it stopped talking about the class of BB. Yea IR had some silly analogy but much of that thread is all about what you are trying to stir in this thread.

I am just calling you out on it. Don't like it? Take it to the OTHER thread.

I did, and it degenerated into a shouting match about how much Inman's analogy makes sense, and the last 2 pages are talking about the game of golf and Tiger Woods and Jack Nicholas, and I'm not stirring anything up, if I want to continue this discussion away from the golf talk, I can, this is an open forum, meaning I'm free to post where, and whenever I please, I don't have to move it anywhere else but where I feel like, and I'm esp. not going to move to another thread because some punk kid tells me to, so again, if you don't like the discussion, you can teeny-bop your young arse down the street, and come back and talk to me when your balls drop

 

[Nors]

ok, say they kick the FG, they scored on another drive w/ their backup QB in the game, that's 10 more points added to the score

I agree that it was unsportsmanlike to go for the 4th and 1 instead of kicking the FG, but the only way the Pats weren't running up the score is if they were to kneel on every possession

Sac: for what it is worth, dominator hoodie today said as ex DC, Kicking a FG or letting up is more an insult to a team than giving them a chance to stop you there. This is not Pee Wee football.

We lauded Redball for doing the same, we called it "killer mentality" Put the opponent away.....

 

[Nors]

wait since when has Nors been back? (happy belated welcome back bud)

i went to that patsfans.com and still couldn't find a link to where it says Mr. Kraft he is ashamed

Happy to be back - can't find that link either -

If you find it please post it. Yet again ESPN making stuff up. Nothing new there.....

 

[Royal Laegotti]

You realize Brady has 20 TD's in first half and only 10 in second half.

Defenses need to stop Brady in first half, but so far they can't.

Brady scored TD's in first 7 of 9 drives yesterday. Maybe defenses should be embarassed and not whining about getting caned publicly. Godfrey really has no cred - ooooohhhhh weeeee are going to get Pats next time - LOL

I really don't care one way or another if the Pats are running up the score on teams or not. It has no effect on my life what so ever. But i'll say it again like I said last night on here, if the Commanders or anybody else, including the Cowboys, ain't good enough to stop their opponent from scoring as many points as they want, then they should be man enough to take the beating like a man, don't whine about it and move on. Anybody who whines about somebody running the score up on them or their team is soft. IMO.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sac: for what it is worth, dominator hoodie today said as ex DC, Kicking a FG or letting up is more an insult to a team than giving them a chance to stop you there. This is not Pee Wee football.

We lauded Redball for doing the same, we called it "killer mentality" Put the opponent away.....

it's funny because I've seen a couple guys who've condemned Belicheat, laugh at Georgia's team celebrating in the Gator's endzone after a score

 

[ScipioCowboy]

fair enough, but don't you think the talent differential was pretty great yesterday

Allow me to explain my point via analogy: Assume a team has a 40 point lead in the fourth quarter yet continues to score. We can't really accuse that team of running up the score if they've removed all their starters and they're doing nothing offensively other than running their fullback off tackle. However, if the team with a 40 point lead is continuing to score because their starters are throwing into the endzone, we can start to question their integrity in victory.

and it's pretty hard to prove intent unless you know one's state of mind, for all we know Bill could have been using that to practice converting 4th downs, what better way to do that than in a real, live game situation?

As I stated last night, league-wide perception of Belichik's actions is key here, and etiquette is all about perception and consideration of others.

Running up the score may not be Belichik's intention, but clearly, many coaches and players around the league seem to perceive he's running up the score and showing disrespect for his opponents.

 

[Cochese]

it's funny because I've seen a couple guys who've condemned Belicheat, laugh at Georgia's team celebrating in the Gator's endzone after a score

Thats quite the odd phenomena, isn't it?

 

[theogt]

Thats quite the odd phenomena, isn't it?

Considering that they're entirely different scenarios, no, it's not really odd at all.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Allow me to explain my point via analogy: Assume a team has a 40 point lead in the fourth quarter yet continues to score. We can't really accuse that team of running up the score if they've removed all their starters and they're doing nothing offensively other than running their fullback off tackle. However, if the team with a 40 point lead is continuing to score because their starters are throwing into the endzone, we can start to question their integrity in victory.

c'mon, aren't you being a little extreme here? now I can see if they put in the backups, yeah, but when do we make a case for when the Pats should let up? I mean the game was over at half-time, and they did eventually pull Brady

As I stated last night, league-wide perception of Belichik's actions is key here, and etiquette is all about perception and consideration of others.

Running up the score may not be Belichik's intention, but clearly, many coaches and players around the league seem to perceive he's running up the score and showing disrespect for his opponents.

Gibbs thinks otherwise, and today I got the Washington Post, and there's a bunch of quotes from Commander players actually lauding the Pat's after the fact, and how they don't see anything wrong w/ what the Pats did, in fact I think one guy said that they should never have let that happen, that it was on them

 

[Nors]

He yanked Brady early 4th quarter.
But Skins failed at onsides and were turning ball over in their end all game.

What was BB to do? Tell his team to give it to Skins to keep it close?

Parcells was very pro BB tonight on ESPN and Gibbs had no issue. Skins were routed and wounds self inflicted for most part.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Considering that they're entirely different scenarios, no, it's not really odd at all.

you would be right if some of those condeming Belicheat weren't throwing out things such as, "it's not right to show up the opposing team", "classless", and other assorted cliches

and I don't see a big difference between running up the score and disrespecting a team by dancing your whole unit in their endzone

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Thats quite the odd phenomena, isn't it?

it's not that odd since everyone hates Belicheat and everything he stands for, that the Pats get more press, they beat us, Brady is better than Romo, etc etc and how everyone generally dislikes the Gators from their Fun and Gun days and Steve Spurrier, don't think those things dont' factor into the polar reactions of each respective incident

 

[ScipioCowboy]

c'mon, aren't you being a little extreme here? now I can see if they put in the backups, yeah, but when do we make a case for when the Pats should let up? I mean the game was over at half-time

Extreme? How so?

Are you referring to my fullback off tackle comment?

That example was actually lifted from a Texas A&M/Oklahoma game in 2003 that OU won by 77 points. The Sooners weren't trying to run up the score. In fact, from the onset of the 4th quarter until the end of the game, their offensive playing calling consisted of nothing but dives and off tackles. Yet, they continued to gain 9 and 10 yards on each play.

Obviously, the NFL level poses a different challenge. If a team is enjoying a substantial lead in the fourth quarter, it doesn't have to run an off tackle every play, but it probably should stay grounded - it's simply good strategy. Running the ball prevents clock stoppage, shortens the game, and lessens the chance of turnovers.

Gibbs thinks otherwise, and today I got the Washington Post, and there's a bunch of quotes of Commander players actually lauding the Pat's, and how they don't see anything wrong w/ what the Pats did, in fact I think one guy said that they should never have let that happen, that it was on them

Gibbs says one thing, but his post game actions suggest a different opinion.

Another aspect of league etiquitte is being noncritical of other coaches.

Also, we should note that Gibbs isn't the only person to have expressed consternation with Bill Belichik.

 

[Rack]

Guys, he likes both teams. Nothing wrong with that.

There's a difference between "liking" a team and being a fan of that team.

Hell I "like" the chargers, but I sure as hell ain't no chargers fan.

He's an instigator....always has been.

X 1000

Instigator is exactly what he is.

I tell ya, he doesn't really "attack" anyone, but there isn't a peron on earth that I can stand LESS then I stand Nors.

Oh Please !

I just threw up in the back of my throat. Thanks Nors. No really!

You too?

I coughed up the drink of Pepsi I just gulped down, then threw up in my mouth.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

For all we know that clip of Kraft and company looking somewhat uncomfortable while looking at the TV screen could have been them watching an episode of "When Sharks attack"? Who knows?

On the other hand.... sometimes someone does something wrong and no one see's them.... does it mean that they havent done something wrong?

 

[TexasReferee]

All this discussion is BORING. I'm out losers!