Kyle Kosier

[21Savage]

It's not just Broadus. Mosely has reported the same assessment from a variety of scouts.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/tag/_/name/kyle-kosier

You said by COACHES. I'm still waiting


You may be an avid follower, but you seem to be a selective follower.
But he's not. Again, this is your logic we're following. Not mine. You're the one who suggested that a player's salary is necessarily indicative of their worth to the team. And, currently Williams makes far more than Austin, and Barber makes far more than Jones.

I meant player status as a whole. Not just how much they're making now. Doesn't mean Rat wasn't a better player than Spears when he was making less. It did mean however that, not long after, his new contract was gonna prove what our staff already thinks. Austin will eventually earn more and we'll show we value him more that way. What do you think Kosier's contract offer is going to be after the season?

I would also argue that Jerry Jones is taking a wait-and-see approach with Austin's situation, hence the lack of a new contract. Jones took precisely the same tact with Romo in 2007. Romo didn't sign a new contract until November, only after the Cowboys were certain he could maintain his level of play.

Kosier may be an average player; however, the bottom line is this: he's the most consistent player on the interior of the line, hence the deficiencies in pass protection when he's absent.

Consistently average. Gurode, over the past few years, has played like 75% great, 10 % average and 15% subpar. Bigg, maybe 60:20:20. And that was last year. In 2007, if might've been our best Olineman.

Deficiencies that are there even when he's present in the line. But somehow seem to be conveniently forgotten by fans who want to rake on Gurode and Bigg for being stupid.

Now, let's consider your "best O-line":

LT: Free LG: Holland C: Gurode RG: Davis RT:Baron

This is essentially the same line that started the game Saturday night. The results were thus:

-- Multiple sacks on Tony Romo in a half.

-- Less than a hundred yards of total offense in a half.

-- Less than 15 yards rushing for the entire game.

Dude. Seriously?

You should be honest and note what I said about Columbo. If the Columbo against the Vikings and the Raiders is who we're getting then yeah, Barron is better.

And are you seriously extrapolating their performance in that preseason game (the first in which that group has played together and in which they played against 8 and 9 man fronts without a game plan) to what they'll do over the course of a season? Since we're comparing single game performances, how about you compare that to the default line's performance in the Vikings game and see how they fare. Especially, let's see how Kosier fares.

 

[dbair1967]

The OL wasn't. The team was good, and able to compensate for losing an OG, but having Kosier out of the lineup was a much bigger adjustment for us than anybody expected.

If Romo hadnt gotten hurt, we were gonna be in the playoffs with or without Kosier, period.

The Felix Jones loss had a bigger impact than Kosier's loss did.

 

[Idgit]

If Romo hadnt gotten hurt, we were gonna be in the playoffs with or without Kosier, period.

The Felix Jones loss had a bigger impact than Kosier's loss did.

Maybe, and probably. But neither of those things mean that the Kosier loss wasn't a significant blow to the OL.

 

[dbair1967]

Maybe, and probably. But neither of those things mean that the Kosier loss wasn't a significant blow to the OL.

It hurt, but we were a playoff team without him if we could have kept some of the others healthy. Romo and Jones' injuries were the killers though.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It hurt, but we were a playoff team without him if we could have kept some of the others healthy. Romo and Jones' injuries were the killers though.

Romo hurt his hand and lost his accuracy right?

 

[dbair1967]

Romo hurt his hand and lost his accuracy right?

You have a different opinion of it?

Not really debatable, he didnt throw the ball anywhere near as well after he came back, and I still firmly believe if Johnson hadnt been so bad he'd have stayed out another 2-4 weeks.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have a different opinion of it?

Not really debatable, he didnt throw the ball anywhere near as well after he came back, and I still firmly believe if Johnson hadnt been so bad he'd have stayed out another 2-4 weeks.

Nah I just remember he got hurt two years in a row down the stretch and we were screwed.

 

[theogt]

Come to think of it, if we had Kosier healthy in 2008, Romo would have been healthy in 2008.

If the left guard doesn't get blown up, Flozell was about to pick up the guy that sacked Romo and broke his finger in the 2008 game against Arizona. He had to stop and help block the guy that owned the guard (Proctor, I believe). That leaves a clean shot at Romo, and the rest is history.....

 

[ScipioCowboy]

You said by COACHES. I'm still waiting

You do realize that the Cowboys organization employs scouts to perform player analysis for the coaching staff, don't you? When reporters cite various scouts, they're very likely referring to those employed by the Dallas Cowboys. So let's tally the evidence, shall we?

Cowboys' scouts confirm that Kosier is the team's most consistent interior lineman.

Non-Cowboys' scouts confirm that Kosier is the team's most consistent interior lineman.

Other GMs, such as Ron Wolfe, confirm that Kosier's importance to the team.

Visual evidence from 2008 confirms Kosier's importance when his absence served as the impetus for the disintegration of line play throughout the year.

And, finally,to satiate your incessant pleas for some type of obvious verification of Kosier's importance from the coaching staff, I would point out they've made no effort to replace Kosier with any other player, least of all Montrae Holland who's been on the roster for two years.

I meant player status as a whole. Not just how much they're making now. Doesn't mean Rat wasn't a better player than Spears when he was making less. It did mean however that, not long after, his new contract was gonna prove what our staff already thinks. Austin will eventually earn more and we'll show we value him more that way. What do you think Kosier's contract offer is going to be after the season?

But Austin is not currently making more than Williams; ergo, your contention that salary is necessarily indicative of value to the team proves erroneous.

Deficiencies that are there even when he's present in the line. But somehow seem to be conveniently forgotten by fans who want to rake on Gurode and Bigg for being stupid.

Fans aren't the only group "raking" on Gurode and Bigg. Several scouts and pundits have commented on their deficiencies as well.

You should be honest and note what I said about Columbo. If the Columbo against the Vikings and the Raiders is who we're getting then yeah, Barron is better.

And are you seriously extrapolating their performance in that preseason game (the first in which that group has played together and in which they played against 8 and 9 man fronts without a game plan) to what they'll do over the course of a season? Since we're comparing single game performances, how about you compare that to the default line's performance in the Vikings game and see how they fare. Especially, let's see how Kosier fares.

Now, this is a capital point -- extrapolating potential performance from limited data!

Let's apply this very point to your "best O-line for the Cowboys": What data would possibly lead you to the conclusion that Holland should start over Kosier? Dazzle me with your couch-side scouting. From what wealth of evidence do you extrapolate that Holland is the superior player?

 

[Idgit]

Nah I just remember he got hurt two years in a row down the stretch and we were screwed.

The year he had the broken hand he had 7 or 8 fumbles that really hurt us. But it was a huge relief to get him back given how badly Brad Johnson crapped the bed.

 

[theogt]

The year he had the broken hand he had 7 or 8 fumbles that really hurt us. But it was a huge relief to get him back given how badly Brad Johnson crapped the bed.

I remember everyone complaining about his fumbles (6 in the first 6 games), but we were 4-2 and Romo had the best stretch of QB rating he's ever had in his career. We would have been 5-1 if not for the O-line problems.