Larry says if cowboys play same as last 4 yrs in december we will lose again

[LittleBoyBlue]

I give up.....who's Larry?

He was one of the triplets...





















Moe, Larry & Curly

 

[cowboyjoe]

who dis !1!!~ who is larry man if you are Larry and your talking about yourself in the third person that is really annoying! and makes you look stupid

ok guys, larry is a guy that has been pretty accurate on things about the cowboys the last 5 years, campo era, parcells thing, he coached football and played football,

whereas some of us, havent done that, played or coached, so to a degree us guys that havent played football or coached, sometimes dont have a clue to what really is going on.

like one guy posted, and i heard it too, from a writer for sports news, said that he heard through reliable source that parcells would beat the cowboys up during the season, especially going into november and december. Parcells would beat them up during the week, so that come game time, most of the players were to beat up to play.

If you guys havent noticed, one of Parcells pure weaknesses, along with his stubborness to attack on defense instead of playing safe defense, was playing guys hurt. I give you a good example. Stephen Peterman, this guy was a road blocker, just would kill you in run blocking, and he was big and thick. He got hurt on one play, so Peterman waived to get off the field. Parcells best of my memory met him at the sideline, chewed him out, and told him to go back in. On the next play, compensating for his injury, he misplayed the block, and wound up hurting himself further, which resulted in tearing up his knee. To me, Parcells should have gotten his butt kicked by Jerrry Jones for that. Sure, you have to play guys hurt sometimes. but when they come off the field, with the player complaining of injury, you just dont rush them back onto the field.

So, all you guys that want to get onto Larry, he is a friend of mine, not make up guy, and yes, to me he is chicken to not post on the board himself. But he loves it when you guys say some of the things you do about him.

Finally, I agree with what one guy said, about Wade Phillips getting the team to play better with his lighter approach to things. If you look at what Wade Phillips has done after he came to a team, he always has taken that team to the playoffs that year after he became the head coach. I do thing that Parcells was too hard sometimes on the players. Yet, sometimes, players have to be accountable too.

Yet, at same time, I am like my friend Larry B.........., I want to see what the players will do in December, if they have that fire and determination, before I say what they will do. I am sure you all agree with me, towards the old saying, teams that get hot during the season, say like in november, they win, and keep winning, they dont lose like we have the last 5-7 years in december. You just have to win games in december, make a run in late november and december getting hot and ready for the playoffs. Have that killer instinct, to win and put teams away. I havent see that in Dallas since 1995. What that problem is, I dont know, whether its the players, the coaching or what, but that attitude needs to be fixed.

 

[WoodysGirl]

So, all you guys that want to get onto Larry, he is a friend of mine, not make up guy, and yes, to me he is chicken to not post on the board himself. But he loves it when you guys say some of the things you do about him.

So Larry is just a fan like yourself. Maybe more knowledgeable, but just a fan. Cool. Gotcha. This is not a knock on him, but next time, just leave him out of the post or thread title. He's important to you, but no one other than you knows him. Since he's not a regular poster, credible or otherwise, and not a NFL player, analyst, etc., I doubt anyone other than you cares what he thinks.

He should start posting and then maybe his opinion might become a bit more valued...at least on this board. Again, not a knock on him. If you're going to pass on his opinions that you believe, then you should just post them as your own, not state, "well this is what my friend said."

 

[theebs]

I give you a good example. Stephen Peterman, this guy was a road blocker, just would kill you in run blocking, and he was big and thick. He got hurt on one play, so Peterman waived to get off the field. Parcells best of my memory met him at the sideline, chewed him out, and told him to go back in. On the next play, compensating for his injury, he misplayed the block, and wound up hurting himself further, which resulted in tearing up his knee

I love it when people bring this up! It is such a weak argument. He did this with everyone, Ware was banged up against houston in the preseason of his rookie year, limped off, got yelled at and then went out and finished the game.

Guys played hurt for parcells, that is one of parcells strong points, funny how larry doesnt mention that.

Also Larry Doesnt know his history very well. Parcells played defense the same way at every stop. Belichick mixed things up for him from time to time, but at the end of the day they were always a two gap, read and react defense relying on intelligence and ability.

No one ever brings this up, maybe larry doesnt know this in his infinite wisdom but parcells prefers The 3-4 defense because it gives the defense the ability to drop 8 in coverage at anytime. Even the media here in Dallas blew it all the time constantly saying that it gives you the option of hiding the 4th rusher, that is true of phillips, not of parcells for parcells it was always about having the ability to drop 8 into coverage and flood zones taking away lanes, particularly against west coast offenses.

Blaming everything on Parcells is ignorant and short sighted. It looked to me like roy williams was injured, the free safety position couldnt do anything right and marcus spears was awful up front. Knowing all that he played Defense to protect them and try and keep everything in front of them with zones and trying to make coverage reads as simple as possible for the defense, particularly the secondary. Without ellis to bring a pass rush to compliment ware, this team could not play defense. No ellis, with awful play from fs, spears and then in the end everyone struggling he went to the most basic scheme he could, I believe trying to protect the players knowing they were struggling, giving them the least to think about and just get out there and play.

It didnt work, but to say its because he is conservative or doesnt know defense which is what your inferring is crazy. That was his philosophy, 34 two gap, read and react with the ability to drop 8 into coverage. thats it.

I am sure larry knows all that though. And I am sure larry thinks phillips has a magic wand.

 

[zrinkill]

So, all you guys that want to get onto Larry, he is a friend of mine, not make up guy

:laugh2:

That shut me up.

 

[peplaw06]

Hmmmm... I'm wondering why you needed "Larry" to bring your attention to December fades of late. I coulda told you that... You could even call me "Larry"

ok guys, Larry says are we going to play with the same old lack of fire like we did in december the last 4 years. then the cowboys will be flat again, and lose in december and if they make the playoffs, then fall flat without any fire.

Shocking insider information Larry is providing you there!!!

 

[Zimmy Lives]

ok guys, Larry says are we going to play with the same old lack of fire like we did in december the last 4 years. then the cowboys will be flat again, and lose in december and if they make the playoffs, then fall flat without any fire.

in other words, are the players going to have an attitude this year, about teams like the rams and last but not least the detroit lions whom beat them and laughed at them at the end of the game. Remember, we always have fallen flat in december, like lost desire to play, just going through the motions.

so what team is going to show up in december

Don't forget that Larry also said that if 22 guys show up at a football field dressed in football gear, then a football will be played.

And...Larry said if you're wet then it's raining...or, Ed Jones just spit on you.

Note: Sincere apologies to C-Joe and Larry if you find offense to this post.

 

[AbeBeta]

Guys played hurt for parcells, that is one of parcells strong points, funny how larry doesnt mention that.

If you can't play hurt you can't play in the NFL. Period

 

[skinsscalper]

Larry may even be Norman Einstein's brother, but he's right about folding in December and losing in the playoffs, if you even get that far.

I think the last few Decembers were the result of Parcells' stifling, smothering, wet blanket of rigid conservative play based on fear of losing, thereby guaranteeing the losses because that's what he focused on. He couldn't let go and just let them play as he was afraid they would lose and the team picked up on his morbid depression and just fell flat. They had lost all confidence in him.

I think Wade's more positive attitude and coaching style is going to bring out the fire in this team.

BP was trying to cook his dinner without using any fire and it didn't work. He picked up some pretty good ingredients but he couldn't light the stove and the meal turned out lousy.

I think chef Wade is going to serve a good hot meal.

I think that there is something, psychological, that many people dismiss about Parcells. Smothering negativity can have the opposite of the desired effect. Let's put it this way: If you constantly ride your kids about grades, chores, etc. how successful do you really think that they see themselves? Good was never good enough for Parcells. Parcells was a masochist and expected everyone else to be one too. The guy had worked himself so hard that he was completely miserable and made sure that everyone else was too.

There's also the flip side of that coin. You can praise someone to high heaven for even the most minimal of victories/accomplishments, and they end up thinking TOO highly of themselves and their acheivments (or lack thereof). There IS a balance that can be met. The perfect example is Jimmy Johnson.

Johnson rode his team's *** like anyone in the business, but he was also smart enough to lay off when it was time to lay off. Another aspect that Jimmy mastered was the psychological "planting". Jimmy NEVER said "don't fumble the ball". The reason? Because the word "fumble" was part of his command. He never wanted the negative aspect of what he was teaching to be verbalized because that was word that would stick in the mind. Instead he would yell "secure that ball!" or "hold on to the ball!" May sound like jibberish to some, but it's hard to argue the results of what he produced here. Johnson could be just as mean as Parcells. The difference was Johnson was focusing (psychologically) the team on winning. Parcells seemed to try and motivate them out of fear of losing. Completely different approaches with undeniable results.

Parcells DID have success in this league with his approach, no doubt. And he does have former players that love him to death (Hell, I STILL have a soft spot for the guy), but his overbearing style tires quickly with EVERYONE in an organization. I think when it was all said and done, the gloom and doom approach (in Dallas) had completely lost it's effectiveness.

If you can't play hurt you can't play in the NFL. Period

There's a difference between playing hurt and playing injured. Like it or not Peterman was forced back onto the field when he had no business being out there. The result: a season ending injury and a wasted draft pick. These guys are some of the most gifted (and most violent) athletes on the planet. Sending someone out there when they are (obviously) unable to compete well enough to even protect their own bodies is negligent and reckless. There's a line between bravado and stupidity. The line was crossed in Peterman's case. And, I may be wrong on this one, but didn't Bill send Juluis out for one more play when he had a broken clavicle because Jones took himself out of the game? Like I said, I may very well be wrong (could be a preconception), but if that truly is the case then there's all the evidence you need (stressing once again, IF that truly is the case).

SS

 

[theebs]

Parcells DID have success in this league with his approach, no doubt. And he does have former players that love him to death (Hell, I STILL have a soft spot for the guy), but his overbearing style tires quickly with EVERYONE in an organization. I think when it was all said and done, the gloom and doom approach (in Dallas) had completely lost it's effectiveness.

That is true, but ultimately, parcells style of coaching works when you win those tight playoff games. We didnt. So it becomes a burden. When you win those games you believe in the coach and the system more. This team didnt do that, all his other teams did win.

 

[superpunk]

I love it when people bring this up! It is such a weak argument. He did this with everyone, Ware was banged up against houston in the preseason of his rookie year, limped off, got yelled at and then went out and finished the game.

Guys played hurt for parcells, that is one of parcells strong points, funny how larry doesnt mention that.

Also Larry Doesnt know his history very well. Parcells played defense the same way at every stop. Belichick mixed things up for him from time to time, but at the end of the day they were always a two gap, read and react defense relying on intelligence and ability.

No one ever brings this up, maybe larry doesnt know this in his infinite wisdom but parcells prefers The 3-4 defense because it gives the defense the ability to drop 8 in coverage at anytime. Even the media here in Dallas blew it all the time constantly saying that it gives you the option of hiding the 4th rusher, that is true of phillips, not of parcells for parcells it was always about having the ability to drop 8 into coverage and flood zones taking away lanes, particularly against west coast offenses.

Blaming everything on Parcells is ignorant and short sighted. It looked to me like roy williams was injured, the free safety position couldnt do anything right and marcus spears was awful up front. Knowing all that he played Defense to protect them and try and keep everything in front of them with zones and trying to make coverage reads as simple as possible for the defense, particularly the secondary. Without ellis to bring a pass rush to compliment ware, this team could not play defense. No ellis, with awful play from fs, spears and then in the end everyone struggling he went to the most basic scheme he could, I believe trying to protect the players knowing they were struggling, giving them the least to think about and just get out there and play.

It didnt work, but to say its because he is conservative or doesnt know defense which is what your inferring is crazy. That was his philosophy, 34 two gap, read and react with the ability to drop 8 into coverage. thats it.

I am sure larry knows all that though. And I am sure larry thinks phillips has a magic wand.

Magnificent postings, theebs.

I, for one, am sick of seeing all our shortcomings chalked up to buzzwords like "conservative" when the people tossing them out there clearly don't know what they mean, and realize even less how little they apply to our team last year. Like the myth that every time it's third and long, we run the ball on a draw to Barber. Statements like that leave me wondering if these people are actually watching the Cowboys, instead of having opinions spoonfed to them by the local malcontent media.

Bill Simmons wrote a piece today about Doc Rivers, one of the worst coaches in the NBA, detailing why he is not raked over hot coals by the media for his team's lackluster performance ON the court. It's because he's a nice guy - he handles the media remarkably well. A contrast can be painted between the media relations here over the past 4 years, and how analysis has been skewed due to personal bias.

I recall a few months ago, when one of the project managers left our company - for three months, anything that went wrong was most definitely "Joseph's fault." Similarly today, almost all evils associated with our team can be brushed away under the guise of "Parcells fault", and the eternal promise that springs anew because "we have heard more out of mini-camps in two months under Wade than we did in 4 years under Parcells." Yes, it appears Wade's magic brush of media-pacification has done wonders for the overall talent level of our team. The pathetic "Son-of-bum" nicknames will subside, for now. Hopefully they'll be put away permanently as the product on the field improves dramatically. I think those expecting miracles to be worked in the cases of guys like Julius Jones, Marcus Spears and Bradie James are setting themselves up for disappointment, based in large part to increased media access, and ease of media work.

 

[peplaw06]

I am sure you all agree with me, towards the old saying, teams that get hot during the season, say like in november, they win, and keep winning, they dont lose like we have the last 5-7 years in december.

I love that old saying. Much like another of my favorites... Teams that have a good defense can usually, sometimes, play pretty good, and if they play their cards just right a good defense can sometimes win a championship, not losing in December or January or February.

 

[skinsscalper]

That is true, but ultimately, parcells style of coaching works when you win those tight playoff games. We didnt. So it becomes a burden. When you win those games you believe in the coach and the system more. This team didnt do that, all his other teams did win.

Excellent analogy, theebs. The style may have been more bearable if success had followed. The fact of the matter is that success DIDN'T follow.

Many people want to blame the failure of our season on a botched FG snap. In reality, with the defensive scheme we were playing that day, Seattle probably would have driven the ball right back into field goal range. With the defense that Seattle fielded that day T.O and Glenn should have had a field day. The safe and simple approach cost us the game just as much as the botched FG attempt. Which is another reason (I think) that Parcells lost this team. The refusal to adjust his scheme to the situation (in particular 3-4 defense to cover a 3 WR set and the lack of cajones to attack a CB that was selling insurance the week before), the lack of production (in December or the playoffs) and the overbearing style were a recipe for disaster for Parcells. He did as much self destructing as the team did underacheiving. I was sad to hear that Parcells walked away (believe it or not), but in hindsight it may have been the best thing for the team, because when it is all said and done, Bill's way didn't work here. That doesn't mean that I think Wade Phillips is going to take Dallas to the promised land. It just means that when it comes to playoff wins he couldn't possibly fare worse.

SS

 

[RealCowboyfan]

ok guys, larry is a guy that has been pretty accurate on things about the cowboys the last 5 years, campo era, parcells thing, he coached football and played football,

whereas some of us, havent done that, played or coached, so to a degree us guys that havent played football or coached, sometimes dont have a clue to what really is going on.

like one guy posted, and i heard it too, from a writer for sports news, said that he heard through reliable source that parcells would beat the cowboys up during the season, especially going into november and december. Parcells would beat them up during the week, so that come game time, most of the players were to beat up to play.

If you guys havent noticed, one of Parcells pure weaknesses, along with his stubborness to attack on defense instead of playing safe defense, was playing guys hurt. I give you a good example. Stephen Peterman, this guy was a road blocker, just would kill you in run blocking, and he was big and thick. He got hurt on one play, so Peterman waived to get off the field. Parcells best of my memory met him at the sideline, chewed him out, and told him to go back in. On the next play, compensating for his injury, he misplayed the block, and wound up hurting himself further, which resulted in tearing up his knee. To me, Parcells should have gotten his butt kicked by Jerrry Jones for that. Sure, you have to play guys hurt sometimes. but when they come off the field, with the player complaining of injury, you just dont rush them back onto the field.

So, all you guys that want to get onto Larry, he is a friend of mine, not make up guy, and yes, to me he is chicken to not post on the board himself. But he loves it when you guys say some of the things you do about him.

Finally, I agree with what one guy said, about Wade Phillips getting the team to play better with his lighter approach to things. If you look at what Wade Phillips has done after he came to a team, he always has taken that team to the playoffs that year after he became the head coach. I do thing that Parcells was too hard sometimes on the players. Yet, sometimes, players have to be accountable too.

Yet, at same time, I am like my friend Larry B.........., I want to see what the players will do in December, if they have that fire and determination, before I say what they will do. I am sure you all agree with me, towards the old saying, teams that get hot during the season, say like in november, they win, and keep winning, they dont lose like we have the last 5-7 years in december. You just have to win games in december, make a run in late november and december getting hot and ready for the playoffs. Have that killer instinct, to win and put teams away. I havent see that in Dallas since 1995. What that problem is, I dont know, whether its the players, the coaching or what, but that attitude needs to be fixed.

Pass me, Vick, Rickey Williams, and Quincy the joint you smoking.

 

[JPM]

I love that old saying. Much like another of my favorites... Teams that have a good defense can usually, sometimes, play pretty good, and if they play their cards just right a good defense can sometimes win a championship, not losing in December or January or February.

My favorite one: Don't pee into the wind.