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Jongb35;3292153 said:
These picks weren't necessarily guys that I like. I was simply trying to do a semi-realistic mock. In fact, I really only like one of these guys (Micah Johnson). His 4.99 will drop him a bit, so that pick will be changed in our next mock.

I'm still not sure that Jacoby Ford won't last until the 4th. He really doesn't play that fast. I know Oakland is bound to jump all over him, but who knows.

Also, I realize Brown doesn't fit the typical lineman mold for Dallas, but I think they might have a change in philosophy. If they decide they are in desperate need of better pass pro, a guy like Brown or Trent Williams could be the pick (not that Williams will last until 27).
Oh hell no. I'm dead serious man. Hell no. I can't disagree with that more. The top 4 Offensive minds on this coaching staff are all guys from the big bulldozer school of blocking.

Good grief, if that was your reason for making that pick learn from the mistake. Because it is. I don't even dislike Brown the way some here will.

Really bad effort on this one. I can do better than this by trying to screw the team. Honestly one of the worst Mocks I have seen for us and I promise you I am not trying to be cruel just because I hate Bleacher Report.
 

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HomeAboutFilm Study/Stat AnalysisJoin UsMailbag2010 Cowboys-Only Mock Draft: Version 2.0
In our first Cowboys-only Mock Draft, we projected Dallas to select Penn State defensive tackle Jared Odrick and Ole Miss RB/WR Dexter McCluster with their first two picks. In Version 2.0 of our Cowboys Mock Draft, we will give you an alternate path the Cowboys may take come April 22nd.


Charles Brown
Round 1- Charles Brown, OT, USC

We profiled Charles Brown in our “Potential Draft Picks” Series, detailing why he is not the typical Cowboys’ lineman. Brown is just 300 pounds and could be a great choice for a West Coast offense, as he excels in pass protection. After the playoff loss in Minnesota, though, Dallas likely wants to upgrade their pass protection. If Brown is still on the board at pick #27, his selection could mean Dallas is changing their offensive philosophy a bit.


Morgan Burnett
Round 2- Morgan Burnett, S, Georgia Tech

Burnett is the sort of safety Dallas covets in that he is versatile enough to play either strong or free safety. Many people are speculating that the Cowboys could sign soon-to-be free agent Antrel Rolle. If that happens (which we still see as unlikely), Burnett would not be an option here. Also, if Texas safety Earl Thomas drops to the Cowboys’ first-round pick, expect him to be the pick and for the team to obviously go a different direction here.


Micah Johnson
Round 3- Micah Johnson, ILB, Kentucky

Micah Johnson certainly possesses all of the physical tools to excel in the NFL, but his health is a question mark. We listed his physical as one of ten things to watch at the Combine. If that ends up checking out, Johnson could rise up boards. He is a sideline-to-sideline player who, in our opinion, can play all three downs. Dallas will likely have to grab him in round three if they are interested.

**UPDATE: Micah Johnson just ran an unofficial 4.99 at the Combine. He did manage 34 reps on the bench press, but with this time and his injury history, Johnson will probably last until the fourth round. His pro day will be enormous for him.


Jacoby Ford
Round 4- Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson

After notching the fastest forty-yard dash (4.28 official time) at the Combine on Sunday, Ford may rise up some boards. The problem is that he is a poor route runner and doesn’t play nearly as fast as he tested. He is a track star that knows how to run fast in a straight line, but has yet to translate that speed to the football field. We saw him as a fifth or sixth round pick earlier, so expecting him to drop to the back of the fourth round is realistic. Dallas may view him as an upgrade at both return positions.


Corey Peters
Round 6- Corey Peters, DT/DE, Kentucky

Kentucky isn’t exactly a football powerhouse, but we have two of their defenders becoming Cowboys in this particular Mock Draft. Peters, a guy who would have to transition to the “five-technique” in Dallas’ 3-4, would be a project. He had a big-time senior season with 11 tackles for loss and four sacks. He would likely have to compete with practice squad DE Marcus Dixon for a roster spot.


Walter McFadden
Round 7- Walter McFadden, CB, Auburn

You can never have enough talented cornerbacks. McFadden would be a long-shot to have an impact in the near future, but he has good height and adequate speed. He would need to put on a bit of bulk, but perhaps he could push Scandrick to perform better in the slot.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this mock draft or suggest alternative options for upcoming mock drafts.
 

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Hostile;3292416 said:
Oh hell no. I'm dead serious man. Hell no. I can't disagree with that more. The top 4 Offensive minds on this coaching staff are all guys from the big bulldozer school of blocking.

Good grief, if that was your reason for making that pick learn from the mistake. Because it is. I don't even dislike Brown the way some here will.

Really bad effort on this one. I can do better than this by trying to screw the team. Honestly one of the worst Mocks I have seen for us and I promise you I am not trying to be cruel just because I hate Bleacher Report.

Again, I am not in the business of creating mocks of my favorite players or guys I would like to see in a Cowboys uniform. I formulate mocks based on value and what the team needs, whether I like the player or not. If I told you last year that Cowboys would draft a kicker you would have laughed in my face.

I'm not going to make a mock that coincides with the general consensus just to fit in or please you. I will stick to my own evaluations, which I would be willing to bet are generally more accurate than yours.
 

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Jongb35;3292456 said:
Again, I am not in the business of creating mocks of my favorite players or guys I would like to see in a Cowboys uniform. I formulate mocks based on value and what the team needs, whether I like the player or not. If I told you last year that Cowboys would draft a kicker you would have laughed in my face.

I'm not going to make a mock that coincides with the general consensus just to fit in or please you. I will stick to my own evaluations, which I would be willing to bet are generally more accurate than yours.
You'd lose that bet.
 

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Well PM me before the draft and we will set up some sort of competition. Not for money, but something to make it interesting.
 

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Jongb35;3292483 said:
Well PM me before the draft and we will set up some sort of competition. Not for money, but something to make it interesting.
Ask Dan if you really want to take this challenge.
 

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Hostile;3292489 said:
Ask Dan if you really want to take this challenge.

You act like I know nothing about the team. I am new to this forum, but not to the 'Boys. We will get it set up.
 

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Actually, I will also put it on our site. We will make the challenge public, and if you win I will give you full credit on the site. Sound good?
 

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Jongb35;3292490 said:
You act like I know nothing about the team. I am new to this forum, but not to the 'Boys. We will get it set up.
No, that is not what I am saying. If you choose to be insulted, be insulted. That's your choice and I can't stop it. The last 5 Drafts by this team I have had insights into the direction we were going. Ask around. I am not trying to put you down.

I stand by what I said before, we are not changing blocking philosophies to smaller O-linemen. No way.
 

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I am sure you know your stuff. Do you mind if I post our challenge on our site? We will have to agree on some set of rules, point system, etc.
 

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Jongb35;3292505 said:
I am sure you know your stuff. Do you mind if I post our challenge on our site? We will have to agree on some set of rules, point system, etc.
Let me decide if I even want to or not. I am not afraid of the challenge, I just don't see the point.
 

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Hostile;3292508 said:
Let me decide if I even want to or not. I am not afraid of the challenge, I just don't see the point.

Because it would be fun.
 

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Jongb35;3292456 said:
Again, I am not in the business of creating mocks of my favorite players or guys I would like to see in a Cowboys uniform. I formulate mocks based on value and what the team needs, whether I like the player or not. If I told you last year that Cowboys would draft a kicker you would have laughed in my face.

I'm not going to make a mock that coincides with the general consensus just to fit in or please you. I will stick to my own evaluations, which I would be willing to bet are generally more accurate than yours.
If this draft happened, I might castrate myself with a Swiss Army Knife.

No offense, I hope you're flat out wrong.
 

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casmith07;3292199 said:
There's a better chance of us picking Myron Rolle in the first round than picking Morgan Burnett at all in this draft.
Reasoning?
 

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Jongb35;3292505 said:
I am sure you know your stuff. Do you mind if I post our challenge on our site? We will have to agree on some set of rules, point system, etc.
This is the part of this that gives me hesitation. It relies on luck. Because I assume your idea is that we are going to each present a Mock and whoever is closest to the target wins. The problem with that is Dallas' draft plans are fluid. They can be affected by what other teams do.

Please ask others in here if you doubt what I am about to share with you.

In the 2004 Draft I wanted Stephen Jackson. He fell right in our laps. In the Chat room that day I got a PM from a friend who was right down the hall from the War Room. He said he overheard Bill Parcells say that he did "not want to deal with the ****ing Poston's." They happened to be Jackson's agents and I said in Chat "we're going to trade out of this pick." The Draft was fluid immediately.

In 2005 I was a huge Mike Williams fan. Ask anyone here. I was his pimp. Many people wanted Merriman. Got a tip from a different source that Ware was our pick. So again in Chat I announced that Ware was our pick. I later announced that we hoped Marcus Spears was there at 20 and before day 2 got under way I said we hoped to get Chris Canty. I also shared the news that Jacksonville called us to find out if we were going to take Matt Jones at 20. That was from the same source who told me about Parcells and the Postons the year before.

In 2006 I attended the Draft so I had no Internet or inside access. Prior to the Draft I predicted Bobby Carpenter was our pick. I was pretty excited to be there to witness that.

In 2007 Anthony Spencer's biggest fan on this site was Cobra. When Brady Quinn was on the board and we were on deck I said we were going to make a trade with Cleveland because we wanted Spencer, but couldn't turn down the offer. It happened. Then Jerry surprised me by trading back into round 1 and took Spencer. No way I could have known he was going to do that. The first person I PMed was Cobra to say congrats. My insights clicked in round 2. When the Giants took Steve Smith I said in Chat, "that was our guy. We're going to trade out of the 2nd round." We did. Before day 2 started I said we were high on Doug Free. I also had sent a tip to the Cowboys about Nick Folk. I openly admit though that I was pissed when we used a Draft pick on a Kicker, even though I had him in a couple of my Mocks. Lastly, in almost every mock I did that year I had Courtney Brown, who was one of my pet cats. That was no insight though, just my own bias creeping in and luck on my side. I had him way earlier in my Mocks than where we got him.

In 2008 I was an Antoine Cason shill. He played at my Alma Mater and we needed a CB. Two days before the Draft I announced that we would take Mike Jenkins at 22 if he was there. My Cason dreams were over. So I was shocked at 22 when we took Felix Jones. I knew we wanted Felix but at 28 with our pick was my prediction. I knew San Diego also wanted Mike Jenkins. So I began to think we would get my guy Cason after all. As soon as we traded ahead of San Diego I posted on chat that we were taking Jenkins. I knew in round 2 that we wanted a WR and the guys we liked were James Hardy and Limas Sweed. When they both went ahead of us I said in chat, we'll take Martellus Bennett.

Last year no one had any insights into what Dallas was going to do with 2 notable exceptions. Everyone on this board knew we were very high on Jason Williams and everyone knew we didn't have a 1st round pick so they were going to try and add volume. How do you grade that?

I just don't see how stuff like this can be graded or predicted when each one of those Drafts was immediately fluid as soon as other teams started making their choices.

I can put a mock out there. So can you, but how it can be truly judged is beyond me. And like I said before, I really don't see the point. If you win you get to mock me on your site? Just do that anyway if you really want to. I can't stop you and what you say there has no bearing on you here.

If you doubt any of the examples I shared above please ask others here if I did not share those insights. My insights are not always right. No one bats 1.000 on these things. I do try and separate when something is my own thoughts and when I have got a tip. In other words I don't try and take credit for stuff I don't deserve. I hope that you can see that in the examples themselves. Much of what I shared above was not my thoughts at the time, but insights I had been given.

How do you grade that?

You said you will stick to your "own evaluations," which you would bet "are generally more accurate" than mine. If you've been more accurate than I have been since 2004 then congratulations. I will bow to you or whatever you wish. In panning your reasoning I was not trying to insult you or your "own evaluations." You are dead wrong about this Offense looking to change their blocking goals to smaller guys. That was the entire crux of my gripe.

Hudson Houck, Jason Garrett, Ray Sherman, and John Garrett. Those are the 4 top Offensive minds on this football team. You can throw in Wade Wilson as well, but I am talking only about the guys who concentrate on Blocking or who are thought to be high up on the list as a possible OC if Garrett becomes HC, namely Sherman. All 4 of those guys prefer the big, nasty types of Offensive Lineman not a finesse guy like Brown. I don't hate Brown, but your "evaluation" there was off the mark. How many articles have already been posted about how the staff here perks up when Iupati is being featured? I've seen a half dozen easily. He's a bull.

I have no issue with you trusting your evaluations, but when they are wrong, and that one was, I am going to speak up. I am sorry if that offended you. It wasn't the goal.
 

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I wasn't offended, nor am I going to mock you on my site. I just thought posting a competition of some sort for our viewers would be cool.

I understand a draft pick is completely dependent on what happened previously, but it would be very tough for us to do a competition without picking players ahead of draft time.

Further, there is a solid chance that we each get zero of the six picks correct, since predicting these things is so difficult, in which case there would be no winner.

What I propose we do is create a list of about five players at each selection that we think the team could select. This would allow us to definitely get a few correct. Traded picks would be thrown out.

If you do not want to do this, I suppose we could do a live competition where we meet in here or another area and give our selections once Dallas is on the clock, but that could get tricky.

If you want not do the contest that is fine, or if you like one of these ideas that is cool too. Just let me know.
 
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